T-Mac, Nate Robinsion, and Foye, OH MY!

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I was looking this over and Sacramento is only mentioned as possible destinations for Randy Foye, Nate Robinson, and T-Mac. They also predict Nate Robinson will go to the Kings.

Just a bunch of "last chance" type of guys... and in what bizarre alternate universe does T-Mac go to Sacramento, ever, at any point in his career?
 
My recollection is that T-Mac refused to be traded here as a part of the Martin trade last year, so I'm not sure why he would come here in free agency. I'm not entirely sure those predictions are worth the paper they're printed on.
 
My recollection is that T-Mac refused to be traded here as a part of the Martin trade last year, so I'm not sure why he would come here in free agency. I'm not entirely sure those predictions are worth the paper they're printed on.
In all fairness...did you blame him? From the rockets...to the KINGS? I sweat purple and black (or purple and gold...yuck), and have for many years, but I don't really think I would even be thrilled about going to the 2009-2010 (and before) Sacramento Kings.

I think things have changed, and substantially. We knew Tyreke was good, but the season had yet to finish and Tyreke had yet to receive the notoriety associated with the rookie of the year award. We also had a softy backcourt, which we have subsequently COMPLETELY changed.

I am not saying that T-mac is coming here, but a complete 180 in peoples' perspectives of the Sacramento Kings and a new-found interest in arriving here as a FA isn't THAT crazy anymore.
 
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I don't think Nate Robinson is really the right type of player to add to this team. He would be fun to watch for sure. Might be a nice addition the year before a playoff run as an x-factor, but I'd prefer we went after someone like Kyle Lowry. Someone steady who could be a good foundational piece for a long time. Randy Foye and T-Mac don't make sense at all.
 
I could actually see Foye fitting pretty well here, combo guard who plays decent D and can shoot the ball plus handle? That'd fit pretty well next to Reke and Beno. I like the fit of Nate too, he'd be a nice player off the bench. TMac would be interesting but I dunno how that'd turn out, he'd have to be willing to take a reduced role like the one Pippen took when he went to the Trailblazers, as a facilitator and a guy who spreads the floor. But the fit next to Reke/Beno could be pretty good also.
 
I would have loved to land T-Mac in the Martin trade, but he didn't want to come here, so screw him. Nate Robinson could certainly play well for us, but the thing is he won't, because we suck. In Boston he had established veterans on an established franchise keeping him in line. We have the complete opposite here.

I don't know enough about Randy Foye to say anything about him.
 
Well, sounds like Foye's headed to the Clippers. So scratch that. And T-Mac didn't make sense on the day of the trade and doesn't make sense now.

Robinson, though, is interesting. We've supposedly been interested in him in the past, and he looked nice as a sparkplug for Boston off the bench. The questions, though, are first, does his playoff run price him too high for our liking? And second, do we really want a short PG, or would we rather go for a ball handling, shooting and/or defending SG a la Brewer, Redick, etc.
 
Nate Robinson is a good choice but so is T-Mac if he's dirt cheap. This team isn't going to win with just these young guys. I think the team is good and I'd like to see the young guys playing more and more but if they can get T-Mac to come off the bench and Nate to play beside Reke, not bad. I think that T-Mac will go back to NY or Miami with possibly Iverson for cheap and Nate staying in Boston but he'd be smart to join a team like the Magic but then again there is no cash there so he can join the Clippers with Roye and Gomes. Oh yea, Miller to Miami, wtf!
 
I wouldn't mind TMac. Might be the kind of veteran we need around the team, and this seems like a crucial year to have veteran guidance.
 
TMac is washhhhed up there's a reason he offered to take less money to stay with NYK before the season ended. I wouldn't doubt him going back to NY either for the vet minimum to play with Amare.

Nate Robinson though is very, very interesting I really like his game if he's allowed to do what he can do. He's instant offense off that bench, if you put him out there with some rebounders and get out of his way he could be our lil Vinny Johnson 2.0. He will just never be able to start in the NBA, he's a short gunner for hire. If were to sign anyone in the offseason and over pay just a bit I would be fine with having him as long as GP gets him in line with being our new Microwave.
 
T-Mac makes absolutely NO sense. I think this is a writer just throwing random crap out there, mixed with some rumors. Nate Robinson is NOT a last chance guy....and T-Mac doesn't go with the youth movement. Why would we need a broken down shooter...that really can't shoot anymore.

Nate Robinson and/or Randy Foye may be outside of what the Kings want to spend this year. Unless it's a real impact player I say the Kings don't even sign anyone for the amount that the is as much as the full mid level exception. (For the technical folks that like to nit pick..I'm not saying they'll use the mid level because they have cap space. I'm just talking about the amount of money)

Also, the Kings are looking to sign contracts that are short term. That is straight from Petrie's mouth via a Jason Jones article yesterday.
 
Also, the Kings are looking to sign contracts that are short term. That is straight from Petrie's mouth via a Jason Jones article yesterday.

I knew I read that somewhere couldn't remember where though, depending on what Nate is looking for it would be cool if they offered him a 2 yr cash heavy deal so maybe he can get a better longer term contract from somebody down the line.
 
I think the team has no need for a non-defending T-Mac. The team also does not need a show-time midget Nate Robinson. We need WINS and not SHOWS.
 
I'd like to see the King's pick up Nate Robinson. Great spark plug off the bench and fun to watch. We need a good bench mob again.
 
So T-Mac didn't get picked up by NYK or on Da Bulls... http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a..._signing_of_bogans_ends_chances_with_chicago/

So how about it, Geoff? The Kings already signed a defensive specialist SG (Wright), a change of pace PG (Jeter), now they need that other guard who can shoot from long distance so PGs are forced to guard Tyreke. Give T-Mac a one-year deal with a team option in the second year?
He might be a good stop-gap (until next season, when the Kings finally upgrade at the SG position) if:
1. He can accept his role as a player who plays limited minutes (which, IMHO, would be ideal as he is injury prone... could stay healthy in that sort of system)
2. He can still shoot the three.

Thoughts? Personally, if he would be willing to cooperate and be a role player, the Kings become even more frightening to match up against.

Also, sure beats the heck out of signing Delonte West...
 
Tmac seems to have a lot of hate on the board, but I for one am all for signing him. I feel like he still has a lot of gas left in the tank to contribute. Even his older cousin Vince Carter is playing at a relatively good level, and he is both older and potentially more injury prone.
 
Tmac seems to have a lot of hate on the board, but I for one am all for signing him. I feel like he still has a lot of gas left in the tank to contribute. Even his older cousin Vince Carter is playing at a relatively good level, and he is both older and potentially more injury prone.

I think it's a bit overdoing it to call not thinking McGrady can return to form "hate", but whatever. There's probably every reason to believe that McGrady doesn't have as much left in the tank as you'd like to think. His passing and assist rate are still fantastic for an off the ball player, but that's the best he has left to offer. Up until he was 22 or so, he was really an athletic freak, and this was reflected in his rebounding and block stats, but those numbers then came down to earth as one might expect. McGrady has always been a volume scorer, but he's never been a particularly efficient scorer - he hasn't put up a FG% over .431 since '02-'03 when he was still in Orlando, and despite a few years where he was very good from outside (including 2 years ago) his career 3PT% is .337, which is pretty blah for a guy who has attempted over 3000 in his career. His free throw rate has been dropping like a rock the last few years, suggesting that he's just no longer getting to the basket like he used to. There's just no way I can look at the T-Mac tea leaves and say this guy, with a bad knee and all, is poised to make a comeback.

And pointing to Vince Carter to address McGrady's health is just...bizarre. I don't care if they're related. They're not the same person. Vince Carter, since his last major injury in '02-'03, has missed a grand total of 32 games. That's over the past 7 seasons. McGrady has missed 89 games over the past two seasons alone, and missed 62 in the three seasons before that. In the last 7 years - 170 total games missed, which is more than 5 times as many as Carter has missed over that span. Not the same player, and to say that Carter is "potentially more injury prone" than McGrady is pure silly.
 
I think it's a bit overdoing it to call not thinking McGrady can return to form "hate", but whatever. There's probably every reason to believe that McGrady doesn't have as much left in the tank as you'd like to think. His passing and assist rate are still fantastic for an off the ball player, but that's the best he has left to offer. Up until he was 22 or so, he was really an athletic freak, and this was reflected in his rebounding and block stats, but those numbers then came down to earth as one might expect. McGrady has always been a volume scorer, but he's never been a particularly efficient scorer - he hasn't put up a FG% over .431 since '02-'03 when he was still in Orlando, and despite a few years where he was very good from outside (including 2 years ago) his career 3PT% is .337, which is pretty blah for a guy who has attempted over 3000 in his career. His free throw rate has been dropping like a rock the last few years, suggesting that he's just no longer getting to the basket like he used to. There's just no way I can look at the T-Mac tea leaves and say this guy, with a bad knee and all, is poised to make a comeback.

And pointing to Vince Carter to address McGrady's health is just...bizarre. I don't care if they're related. They're not the same person. Vince Carter, since his last major injury in '02-'03, has missed a grand total of 32 games. That's over the past 7 seasons. McGrady has missed 89 games over the past two seasons alone, and missed 62 in the three seasons before that. In the last 7 years - 170 total games missed, which is more than 5 times as many as Carter has missed over that span. Not the same player, and to say that Carter is "potentially more injury prone" than McGrady is pure silly.

I feel like you're taking everything I'm saying and running with it in the wrong direction. For starters, the "hate" I talk about for TMac isn't necessarily the board's impression of whether or not he can still play, but I feel like the board generally just doesn't like TMac. Back when we momentarily had him on our team from the Houston trade, people were already calling shenanigans saying he would be a cancer and this and that. This is the hate I'm talking about. Personally, I like TMac.

Second, the "comparison" to VC wasn't intended to be much of a comparison at all. I for one think TMac still has a lot left to produce. He got a solid amount of playtime in NY, and he produced well enough, especially having been so unconditioned. My point was that Vince Carter used to be considered one of the most injury plagued players. It now seems a little irrelevant, but I was just pointing it out. If anything, the worst of Tracy's injuries should be over, and to consider him useless at this stage is being too preemptive in my opinion. Are you implying that he is so bad that you wouldn't even spend the vet minimum on him (isn't that like around exactly a million dollars?). I believe even Pooh Jeter, someone who I still haven't heard of is making around $500,000.

At this point, I would even rather have him starting over Garcia if he was willing to be a role player, which I believe he is.
 
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I feel like you're taking everything I'm saying and running with it in the wrong direction. For starters, the "hate" I talk about for TMac isn't necessarily the board's impression of whether or not he can still play, but I feel like the board generally just doesn't like TMac. Back when we momentarily had him on our team from the Houston trade, people were already calling shenanigans saying he would be a cancer and this and that. This is the hate I'm talking about. Personally, I like TMac.

Second, the "comparison" to VC wasn't intended to be much of a comparison at all. I for one think TMac still has a lot left to produce. He got a solid amount of playtime in NY, and he produced well enough, especially having been so unconditioned. My point was that Vince Carter used to be considered one of the most injury plagued players. It now seems a little irrelevant, but I was just pointing it out. If anything, the worst of Tracy's injuries should be over, and to consider him useless at this stage is being too preemptive in my opinion. Are you implying that he is so bad that you wouldn't even spend the vet minimum on him (isn't that like around exactly a million dollars?). I believe even Pooh Jeter, someone who I still haven't heard of is making around $500,000.

At this point, I would even rather have him starting over Garcia if he was willing to be a role player, which I believe he is.

Let me sum up what Factorial is trying to get through to you in one word: microfracture.

That word alone means he can't be compared to even his cousin, Mr. Half-Man, Half-Glass. He's reached a point where he's become physically incapable of doing most of the things that made him great because of that crucial injury to his knee, an injury far more drastic and body-altering than VC has experienced in his career. It's not like McGrady wasn't injury prone before (back spasms, anyone?), so it's not about hate. It's also more than just poor conditioning at work here. He's a bad fit because he's made it known, just like Allen Iverson made it known, that he wants and expects to be a major factor still, and seems very uncomfortable with the idea of becoming a mere role player.

One of the last things we need is a veteran who is set more on proving himself than helping the team achieve its goals. A veteran who is unwilling to sacrifice on such a young team sets a terrible example and precedent for behavior. Hence Allen Iverson's downfall last season. Hence Andres Nocioni here in Sac last season. I'm a fan, but no thanks to T-Mac.
 
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So it appears the Pistons may be taking McGrady... now they have many, many SFs and SGs... maybe now is the time to trade for Prince or Hamilton...
 
I feel like the board generally just doesn't like TMac. Back when we momentarily had him on our team from the Houston trade, people were already calling shenanigans saying he would be a cancer and this and that. This is the hate I'm talking about. Personally, I like TMac.

I think there's an obvious concern about McGrady's willingness to be a role player rather than be the #1 or #2 guy on his team, and McGrady himself said he didn't want to come to Sacramento (despite the fact that he was benched in Houston) while the deal was being worked out. If he doesn't want to be here, then it's a bad idea to try to woo him in.

I for one think TMac still has a lot left to produce. He got a solid amount of playtime in NY, and he produced well enough, especially having been so unconditioned.

In New York, McGrady shot .389 from the field and .242 from three. His scoring rate (PPG), his scoring efficiency (TS%), his effective field goal percentage, his free throw rate, his defensive rebounding rate, and his steal rate were the worst of his career. His turnover rate was the highest of his career. His win shares per 48 plummeted from his career average of 0.159 to a miserable 0.018. He had three 20-point games out of 24 played, so he was essentially a volume scorer who was not scoring. Conditioning or no conditioning, this really isn't "well enough", it's quite poor, and it suggests to me that he is done. You're free to think his New York numbers suggest he has a lot left, but you won't get me to agree.

Are you implying that he is so bad that you wouldn't even spend the vet minimum on him (isn't that like around exactly a million dollars?). I believe even Pooh Jeter, someone who I still haven't heard of is making around $500,000.

At this point, I would even rather have him starting over Garcia if he was willing to be a role player, which I believe he is.

Well, for still not having heard of Pooh Jeter, you spelled his name right, so you're off to a good start! In answer to the question, no I would not sign McGrady for the vet minimum. For a bench guy I'd much rather go after someone like Kyle Weaver, who plays good perimeter D and will know he's a deep bench guy than McGrady. You believe he's ready to be a role player but I don't see that kind of maturity out of him. Remember, this is a guy who went out and had microfracture surgery done on his knee in defiance of the Houston Rockets' team doctor, and without telling the organization until after he had done it. This is a guy who was benched by the player-friendly Rick Adelman while claiming he was perfectly healthy to the media, a claim that appears to have been false after his poor performance in New York. We don't need to invite locker room drama to add a player who clearly cannot be a part of our future. When we added Webber, we knew things might not be smooth, but we knew he could be an all-star for years to come. McGrady has a different career trajectory, and he's not for us. In fact, the idea that he might start over Garcia, simply because he has the name recognition, is one further reason not to want him around. It sounds like it's all moot if he's going to Detroit, but I don't think we dodged a bullet. I doubt we ever considered him in the first place.
 
I feel like you're taking everything I'm saying and running with it in the wrong direction. For starters, the "hate" I talk about for TMac isn't necessarily the board's impression of whether or not he can still play, but I feel like the board generally just doesn't like TMac. Back when we momentarily had him on our team from the Houston trade, people were already calling shenanigans saying he would be a cancer and this and that. This is the hate I'm talking about. Personally, I like TMac.

Second, the "comparison" to VC wasn't intended to be much of a comparison at all. I for one think TMac still has a lot left to produce. He got a solid amount of playtime in NY, and he produced well enough, especially having been so unconditioned. My point was that Vince Carter used to be considered one of the most injury plagued players. It now seems a little irrelevant, but I was just pointing it out. If anything, the worst of Tracy's injuries should be over, and to consider him useless at this stage is being too preemptive in my opinion. Are you implying that he is so bad that you wouldn't even spend the vet minimum on him (isn't that like around exactly a million dollars?). I believe even Pooh Jeter, someone who I still haven't heard of is making around $500,000.

At this point, I would even rather have him starting over Garcia if he was willing to be a role player, which I believe he is.

I'm not going to get into the debate or whether we should go after McGrady or not. I do have feelings on the matter, but since I doubt it will happen, I see no point in the discussion. What I would like to address is the use of the word hate. I know you don't intend its use in the extreme of the true definition. But I do think we need to be careful with words like that. To hate someone, should be the worse thing you can say about that person. It seems that people love to bastardize the english language. To say something is bad, now means its really good. Etc... But hate falls into a different catagory, and should be reserved for the likes of Hitler and Stalin. People who deserve to be hated. Or at least their deeds do.

I also think there's a distinct difference between saying you hate someone, and accusing someone else of hating someone. I think its a quantum leap from my not liking McGrady on my team to actually hating him personally. How can I hate someone I don't even know? Hate is personal. Anyway, I think you get my drift. I just don't think its a word that should be thrown about. Especially, when trying to reflect the opinions of other people that you don't know personally.

Since my great aunt told me not to trust anyone that wears a bow tie, or constantly uses the word "I", when speaking, I plead quilty and bid you good day..
 
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