NoBonus
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But Devastator is five individual entities, whereas Voltron is one entitiy with five pilots... I will have five pilots... or at least one super pilot able to control the whole thing.
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GoGoGadget
All-Star
Don't want to step on any toes in case Voltron is contested, but I'm guessing the pick stands since I've already been PMed by the commish to keep things going. With that in mind, my pick coming up...
NoBonus
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I have an alternate... but I honestly believe that selecting Voltron sans the pilots would be an acceptable pick.
Devastator is made up of five separate destructicons while Voltron is comprised of five different lions. I fail to see the difference. Voltron himself is the creation of all five and does not all of a sudden become a singular entity, while Devastator technically does.
Jespher
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Unfortunately I'm not too familiar with Voltron. So let me work this out systematically. Voltron is a collection of 5 robots put together to form one heroic "super robot right? It seams that he is only as heroic as his pilots, so without them he doesn't count as a hero, as he would be an inanimate robot who could be piloted by either a hero or a villain. Is that right?
Jespher
Starter
But being a robot, what gives him the "human" heroic quality?
NoBonus
Starter
With time being at my selection, I should be able to take a unified Voltron at the very minimum (ie. Voltron, just cannot splint into five lions) but with that determination, I would require no pilots... hehehe...
Or I can take the split Voltron with a minimum of one pilot in Robot form, five pilots for lion form...
Or I can take the split Voltron with a minimum of one pilot in Robot form, five pilots for lion form...
NoBonus
Starter
Same quality Mothra has... created to defend the universe.
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Löwenherz
Starter
I completely understand Spike's protest and it was actually my second thought when I saw the selection (my first was "Oh Cool, Voltron!")
I see this as a gray area, but am leaning toward supporting the pick. Unfortunately I can't explain it without using unselected heroes as examples, but I feel it's a safe risk.
I think you're looking at this from the post-Power Rangers "Megazoid" point of view in which the robot monster was simply a vehicle for the "pilot heroes", but I see it a little closer to a Captian Planet situation, in which the hero can't exist without being summoned by the five "pilots" but once he is, he's pretty much his own entity.
When watching Voltron as a kid, you really got the sense that Voltron was taking out the baddies personally and the kid pilots were just along for the ride.
I see this as a gray area, but am leaning toward supporting the pick. Unfortunately I can't explain it without using unselected heroes as examples, but I feel it's a safe risk.
I think you're looking at this from the post-Power Rangers "Megazoid" point of view in which the robot monster was simply a vehicle for the "pilot heroes", but I see it a little closer to a Captian Planet situation, in which the hero can't exist without being summoned by the five "pilots" but once he is, he's pretty much his own entity.
When watching Voltron as a kid, you really got the sense that Voltron was taking out the baddies personally and the kid pilots were just along for the ride.
NoBonus
Starter
Plus, I am providing a minimum of one-super pilot or five pilots all the time... of course, the photoshopped picture of Votron with a green lantern ring is inevitably on the horizon...
GoGoGadget
All-Star
It seems there was a bit of misinformation on the boards last night. Mad D, in the villain thread, made the claim that Ares was the God of War, but... he done got beat by my next choice; the Ghost of Sparta himself:
Kratos - God of War (2005-Present) -- When being captain of the Spartan army is the least badass of your lifetime accomplishments, you know things are going to get interesting. So, a quick rundown for those unfamiliar with the video game legend: made a deal with Ares when his Spartans were in a bad spot; became Ares' enforcer and went crazy with blood lust; killed everyone in a temple at Ares' command without realizing that the everyone in question included his wife and son; promptly lost his damn mind and had an emo fit; managed to make a deal with the gods to get out of his agreement with Ares and is eventually convinced by them to kill the God of War; got killed; fought his way out of Hades; killed Ares; took his place on Olympus and lived for a time as the God of War; got bored; decided that all of this power wasn't worth being played with by the gods; promptly lost his damn mind, again, and renounced the thrown; pissed off Zeus and had his powers taken away; stumbled around shouting curses at the gods before being killed, again; fought his way out of Hades, again; worked through all manner of mythical baddie (and a few heroes who got in his way, as well) to find Zeus; kicked his ***; got the Titans on his side to wage full scale war against all of the gods. And that's just an overview. Also, it was an understatement to suggest that Kratos merely kicked Zeus' *** -- if not for being stopped at the last minute by his sister (whose name I'll leave out given the nature of the draft), he would have killed Zeus. In the fight, Kratos effectively had him beat.
Batman, Riddick, and Kratos? Yeah, that's a lot of brood to overcome, but I don't see any of them backing down from a fight if properly motivated.
Kratos - God of War (2005-Present) -- When being captain of the Spartan army is the least badass of your lifetime accomplishments, you know things are going to get interesting. So, a quick rundown for those unfamiliar with the video game legend: made a deal with Ares when his Spartans were in a bad spot; became Ares' enforcer and went crazy with blood lust; killed everyone in a temple at Ares' command without realizing that the everyone in question included his wife and son; promptly lost his damn mind and had an emo fit; managed to make a deal with the gods to get out of his agreement with Ares and is eventually convinced by them to kill the God of War; got killed; fought his way out of Hades; killed Ares; took his place on Olympus and lived for a time as the God of War; got bored; decided that all of this power wasn't worth being played with by the gods; promptly lost his damn mind, again, and renounced the thrown; pissed off Zeus and had his powers taken away; stumbled around shouting curses at the gods before being killed, again; fought his way out of Hades, again; worked through all manner of mythical baddie (and a few heroes who got in his way, as well) to find Zeus; kicked his ***; got the Titans on his side to wage full scale war against all of the gods. And that's just an overview. Also, it was an understatement to suggest that Kratos merely kicked Zeus' *** -- if not for being stopped at the last minute by his sister (whose name I'll leave out given the nature of the draft), he would have killed Zeus. In the fight, Kratos effectively had him beat.
Batman, Riddick, and Kratos? Yeah, that's a lot of brood to overcome, but I don't see any of them backing down from a fight if properly motivated.
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I can live with that. I just always wondered why the bad dudes would stare at Voltron being formed instead of picking off a lion or two.
Löwenherz
Starter
For the same reason henchmen wait to attack Batman in turns. They're stupid; a quality we shall rectify in the villains thread.
SacKings7
Starter
It seems there was a bit of misinformation on the boards last night. Mad D, in the villain thread, made the claim that Ares was the God of War, but... he done got beat by my next choice; the Ghost of Sparta himself:
Kratos - God of War (2005-Present) -- When being captain of the Spartan army is the least badass of your lifetime accomplishments, you know things are going to get interesting. So, a quick rundown for those unfamiliar with the video game legend: made a deal with Ares when his Spartans were in a bad spot; became Ares' enforcer and went crazy with blood lust; killed everyone in a temple at Ares' command without realizing that the everyone in question included his wife and son; promptly lost his damn mind and had an emo fit; managed to make a deal with the gods to get out of his agreement with Ares and is eventually convinced by them to kill the God of War; got killed; fought his way out of Hades; killed Ares; took his place on Olympus and lived for a time as the God of War; got bored; decided that all of this power wasn't worth being played with by the gods; promptly lost his damn mind, again, and renounced the thrown; pissed off Zeus and had his powers taken away; stumbled around shouting curses at the gods before being killed, again; fought his way out of Hades, again; worked through all manner of mythical baddie (and a few heroes who got in his way, as well) to find Zeus; kicked his ***; got the Titans on his side to wage full scale war against all of the gods. And that's just an overview. Also, it was an understatement to suggest that Kratos merely kicked Zeus' *** -- if not for being stopped at the last minute by his sister (whose name I'll leave out given the nature of the draft), he would have killed Zeus. In the fight, Kratos effectively had him beat.
Batman, Riddick, and Kratos? Yeah, that's a lot of brood to overcome, but I don't see any of them backing down from a fight if properly motivated.
Awesome.
Perhaps I should've entered these drafts. I never even thought of video games as a source.
NoBonus
Starter
Video games have some of the best villains... however, the trick is finding one from a game enough people have played.
NoBonus
Starter
I will just have Green Lantern create a large shower curtain so they know not to peek until Voltron is all dressed.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
It seems there was a bit of misinformation on the boards last night. Mad D, in the villain thread, made the claim that Ares was the God of War, but... he done got beat by my next choice; the Ghost of Sparta himself:
Kratos - God of War (2005-Present) -- When being captain of the Spartan army is the least badass of your lifetime accomplishments, you know things are going to get interesting. So, a quick rundown for those unfamiliar with the video game legend: made a deal with Ares when his Spartans were in a bad spot; became Ares' enforcer and went crazy with blood lust; killed everyone in a temple at Ares' command without realizing that the everyone in question included his wife and son; promptly lost his damn mind and had an emo fit; managed to make a deal with the gods to get out of his agreement with Ares and is eventually convinced by them to kill the God of War; got killed; fought his way out of Hades; killed Ares; took his place on Olympus and lived for a time as the God of War; got bored; decided that all of this power wasn't worth being played with by the gods; promptly lost his damn mind, again, and renounced the thrown; pissed off Zeus and had his powers taken away; stumbled around shouting curses at the gods before being killed, again; fought his way out of Hades, again; worked through all manner of mythical baddie (and a few heroes who got in his way, as well) to find Zeus; kicked his ***; got the Titans on his side to wage full scale war against all of the gods. And that's just an overview. Also, it was an understatement to suggest that Kratos merely kicked Zeus' *** -- if not for being stopped at the last minute by his sister (whose name I'll leave out given the nature of the draft), he would have killed Zeus. In the fight, Kratos effectively had him beat.
Batman, Riddick, and Kratos? Yeah, that's a lot of brood to overcome, but I don't see any of them backing down from a fight if properly motivated.
Wait...that's a hero?
(the evil god) Ares' enforcer...killed heroes...almost killed Zeus...teamed with the (generally evil) Titans...I won't upbraid hm for slaughtering the temple with his wife and son in it, becuase that's clearly lifted from Herc's bio, but...jeesh, who's side is this guy on anyway?
P.S. I know, I know, I know...his own.
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Mad D
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This was why I PM'ed you that question about team members, it was for Voltron.
Oh man, this is the same picture I had set up. I had to take Buffy, I should have known giant robotic bros before super natural hunting hos.
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NoBonus
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I think the key with this guy is motivation... of course, it does not sound like the bad guys will have a hard time motivating him to their cause...Wait...that's a hero?
(the evil god) Ares' enforcer...killed heroes...almost killed Zeus...teamed with the (generally evil) Titans...I won't upbraid hm for slaughtering the temple with his wife and son in it, becuase that's clearly lifted from Herc's bio, but...jeesh, who's side is this guy on anyway?
P.S. I know, I know, I know...his own.
NME
Starter
GoGoGadget
All-Star
Wait...that's a hero?
(the evil god) Ares' enforcer...killed heroes...almost killed Zeus...teamed with the (generally evil) Titans...I won't upbraid hm for slaughtering the temple with his wife and son in it, becuase that's clearly lifted from Herc's bio, but...jeesh, who's side is this guy on anyway?
P.S. I know, I know, I know...his own.
He's on my side. Duh.
And almost killing Zeus was, like, a waaay heroic act because the guy was acting like a total d-bag. Srsly.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ok, look. I think you people are all getting this thing wrong. Pick after pick after pick feebly trying to match the Supervillains in power -- can't be done. For dramatic purposes the villains are ALWAYS more powerful. Half of them are omnipotent. The only omnipotent good guys are nuts. And that's just good drama -- you have to find a way for the heroes to be threatened and to have to overcome the odds, and so they have to constantly be overmatched. And in the arms race of comicbookhood that means a constant upward spiral of omnipotenter and omnipotenter villains each trying to be a bigger challenge than the last. In fact there really is no way the heroes should ever win -- that's all just feel good hokum and convenience from the writers, depending on the villains doing stupid things at just the wrong time, having bizarre weaknesses, being betrayed, whatever. Point being you can't outpower the bad guys. You have to outmaneuver them. You have to counterpunch.
And so I present the ultimate counterpunch pick:
Orgazmo
Super Omnipotent Villain: I shall rule the universe! Muhahahahahahaha!
Orgazmo: <zappp>
Super Omnipotent Villain: Muhahaha..he..heha..he...hoo...ooh...ahhhh....
Have you ever tried to methodically plot the takeover of the universe while in that special mood? Have you ever tried to duke it out with Hercules when you are feeling all tingly? I present the ultimate superhero counterpunch to all the supervillain insanity -- one shot from the Orgazmorator and you take the muhaha right out of the villain and make him/her/it purr like a kitten. Then you take them out with your hampster style. No power in the universe can stand in the way of such a devastating one two punch.
And so I present the ultimate counterpunch pick:
Orgazmo
Super Omnipotent Villain: I shall rule the universe! Muhahahahahahaha!
Orgazmo: <zappp>
Super Omnipotent Villain: Muhahaha..he..heha..he...hoo...ooh...ahhhh....
Have you ever tried to methodically plot the takeover of the universe while in that special mood? Have you ever tried to duke it out with Hercules when you are feeling all tingly? I present the ultimate superhero counterpunch to all the supervillain insanity -- one shot from the Orgazmorator and you take the muhaha right out of the villain and make him/her/it purr like a kitten. Then you take them out with your hampster style. No power in the universe can stand in the way of such a devastating one two punch.
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NME
Starter
SacKings7
Starter
Ok, look. I think you people are all getting this thing wrong. Pick after pick after pick feebly trying to match the Supervillains in power -- can't be done. For dramatic purposes the villains are ALWAYS more powerful. Half of them are omnipotent. The only omnipotent good guys are nuts. And that's just good drama -- you have to find a way for the heroes to be threatened and to have to overcome the odds, and so they have to constantly be overmatched. And in the arms race of comicbookhood that means a constant upward spiral of omnipotenter and omnipotenter villains each trying to be a bigger challenge than the last. In fact there really is no way the heroes should ever win -- that's all just feel good hokum and convenience from the writers, depending on the villains doing stupid things at just the wrong time, having bizarre weaknesses, being betrayed, whatever. Point being you can't outpower the bad guys. You have to outmaneuver them. You have to counterpunch.
And so I present the ultimate counterpunch pick:
Orgazmo
Super Omnipotent Villain: I shall rule the universe! Muhahahahahahaha!
Orgazmo: <zappp>
Super Omnipotent Villain: Muhahaha..he..heha..he...hoo...ooh...ahhhh....
Have you ever tried to methodically plot the takeover of the universe while in that special mood? Have you ever tried to duke it out with Hercules when you are feeling all tingly? I present the ultimate superhero counterpunch to all the supervillain insanity -- one shot from the Orgazmorator and you take the muhaha right out of the villain and make him/her/it purr like a kitten. Then you take them out with your hampster style. No power in the universe can stand in the way of such a devastating one two punch.
Lol. If you're being serious then I'm really glad I never got around to posting that as a joke, because I meant to.
NoBonus
Starter
Ok, look. I think you people are all getting this thing wrong. Pick after pick after pick feebly trying to match the Supervillains in power -- can't be done. For dramatic purposes the villains are ALWAYS more powerful. Half of them are omnipotent. The only omnipotent good guys are nuts. And that's just good drama -- you have to find a way for the heroes to be threatened and to have to overcome the odds, and so they have to constantly be overmatched. And in the arms race of comicbookhood that means a constant upward spiral of omnipotenter and omnipotenter villains each trying to be a bigger challenge than the last. In fact there really is no way the heroes should ever win -- that's all just feel good hokum and convenience from the writers, depending on the villains doing stupid things at just the wrong time, having bizarre weaknesses, being betrayed, whatever. Point being you can't outpower the bad guys. You have to outmaneuver them. You have to counterpunch.
And so I present the ultimate counterpunch pick:
Orgazmo
Super Omnipotent Villain: I shall rule the universe! Muhahahahahahaha!
Orgazmo: <zappp>
Super Omnipotent Villain: Muhahaha..he..heha..he...hoo...ooh...ahhhh....
Have you ever tried to methodically plot the takeover of the universe while in that special mood? Have you ever tried to duke it out with Hercules when you are feeling all tingly? I present the ultimate superhero counterpunch to all the supervillain insanity -- one shot from the Orgazmorator and you take the muhaha right out of the villain and make him/her/it purr like a kitten. Then you take them out with your hampster style. No power in the universe can stand in the way of such a devastating one two punch.
But he's only gonna work for you until he earns enough money to be married in the temple... might not be a bad edition to your tropical island, albeit distracting.
vikinginferno
Starter
It seems there was a bit of misinformation on the boards last night. Mad D, in the villain thread, made the claim that Ares was the God of War, but... he done got beat by my next choice; the Ghost of Sparta himself:
Kratos - God of War (2005-Present) -- When being captain of the Spartan army is the least badass of your lifetime accomplishments, you know things are going to get interesting. So, a quick rundown for those unfamiliar with the video game legend: made a deal with Ares when his Spartans were in a bad spot; became Ares' enforcer and went crazy with blood lust; killed everyone in a temple at Ares' command without realizing that the everyone in question included his wife and son; promptly lost his damn mind and had an emo fit; managed to make a deal with the gods to get out of his agreement with Ares and is eventually convinced by them to kill the God of War; got killed; fought his way out of Hades; killed Ares; took his place on Olympus and lived for a time as the God of War; got bored; decided that all of this power wasn't worth being played with by the gods; promptly lost his damn mind, again, and renounced the thrown; pissed off Zeus and had his powers taken away; stumbled around shouting curses at the gods before being killed, again; fought his way out of Hades, again; worked through all manner of mythical baddie (and a few heroes who got in his way, as well) to find Zeus; kicked his ***; got the Titans on his side to wage full scale war against all of the gods. And that's just an overview. Also, it was an understatement to suggest that Kratos merely kicked Zeus' *** -- if not for being stopped at the last minute by his sister (whose name I'll leave out given the nature of the draft), he would have killed Zeus. In the fight, Kratos effectively had him beat.
Batman, Riddick, and Kratos? Yeah, that's a lot of brood to overcome, but I don't see any of them backing down from a fight if properly motivated.
This was MY sleeper pick!
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