State-of-the-Kings: one fans view

[Bricklayer]

or Thomas will play center when Miller is out.

Don't be silly -- everyone knows Corliss is the backup center!

 

[Bballkingsrock]

New Update:

PG: Bibby/Hart/Price
SG: Wells/Martin/Cisco
SF: Peja/Corliss
PF: Shareef/Thomas
C: Brad/Skinner/Sampson

Go Kings! Finals possibility?

 

[Bricklayer]

Go Kings! Finals possibility?

Not as long as Duncan is healthy.

More work still needed.

 

[CruzDude]

More than a few think the new Kings are going to the head of the class. Bench and major rotation will be critical now with the 13-15 player rule. Still say it will be 30-35 games before we see what we really have.

 

[CruzDude]

Now that the team is summarized by position some interesting items pop out:
- if we sign Songaila we will have 15 contracts
- who is the scorer-shooter to backup Peja?
- who is the big body behind Brad except for Skinner who is no big body
- we seem set 2-3 deep at PG, SG and PF

 

[PFFFT!!]

Now that the team is summarized by position some interesting items pop out:
- if we sign Songaila we will have 15 contracts
- who is the scorer-shooter to backup Peja?
- who is the big body behind Brad except for Skinner who is no big body
- we seem set 2-3 deep at PG, SG and PF

Wait for the trade, G, wait for the trade.

 

[piksi]

Don't be silly -- everyone knows Corliss is the backup center!

everyone but Corllis

 

[CruzDude]

We pick on Corliss but stop and look at his track record.

- 9 of 11 years on Kings or Pistons including one championship ring
- The Big Nasty is an appropriate nickname and he is not a dirty player
- Fearless underneath and "bodies" with anyone
- reliable 10-5 guy whose assist-turnover ratio stays around 1:1
- career 77% FT, nice numbers for a "big" guy
- size doesn't matter if you get the job done, particularly down low
- dependable

 

[DocHolliday]

Now that the team is summarized by position some interesting items pop out:
- if we sign Songaila we will have 15 contracts
- who is the scorer-shooter to backup Peja?
- who is the big body behind Brad except for Skinner who is no big body
- we seem set 2-3 deep at PG, SG and PF

Kenny Thomas can come in as SF, Francisco Garcia can come in as SF, Corliss can come in as SF.

We have Rahim, Skinner and Jamal Sampson that can play PF. We have Miller, Skinner and Sampson that can play Center. Pretty versatile. But, like another guy, let's wait to see if there are any other trades.

 

[Kings113]

I think we'll get 2 new players at the most. Maybe 3, but that is kinda a stretch.

Center or combo big man/SF/maybe SG or SG/SF combo player. I wouldn't mind at all having a more experienced player backing up Bonzi. But would be fine with K-Mart, he and Garcia should be adding mass too. Just would rather the former a little bit.

Also assuming Skinner stays.

 

[Gilles]

Many fans believe that Kenny Thomas should be Kings' 6th man(first player or at least first big man) off the bench. But with offensively overloaded starting 5 wouldn't it be better to make the first big man out of the bench Brian Skinner who can provide solid defense. And second, apparently many if not everybody know that Kenny was unhappy with Darius starting over him. So my question as I don't know about that situation was he unhappy because a guy with lower skillset started over him or because he believe he should be a starter meaning he will be unhappy coming off the bench even for Shareef.

 

[CruzDude]

Gilles brings up a good point about KT. However, the 6th man can be more than one player depending on the matchups and how they are going in the first 10 minutes or so. Sharif could be like CWebb of 3 and 4 years ago and play 35+/game. Brad is Brad and in some matchups he is great and in others not quick enough to keep up with the other 5. Each situation breeds a different "6th man".

If KT's head is not into coming off the bench, then we need to see where his head is because he WILL come off the bench. Skinner is happy to come off the bench and could be the first (only?) big guy off the bench in the rotation. Then there is Corliss. Some see him a SF but he has no chance to keep up with many of the SF's unless he just bangs them up and disrupts their routine.

Bobby was our 6th man for several years. Maybe a Jason Hart fills in that need. Then a KT could as you point out be the first big man off the bench, much like Brad was when we had Vlade and CWebb. I hope he embraces that role. He could be awesome if he wanted to.

 

[Gilles]

Then there is Corliss. Some see him a SF but he has no chance to keep up with many of the SF's unless he just bangs them up and disrupts their routine.

Actually Corliss can be very helpful in some special situations like this: Sac plays against SA. With Bonzi able to post-up Manu SA will put Bowen on Bonzi and Manu on Peja or will have to because I think Bonzi can really torture Ginobili(though Duncan will torture Reef much more). Adelman can replace Peja with Corliss and SA will really have to adjust (something like put Horry in to play against Corliss).

Right now I see the rotation as follows(I guess Barnes will with the team come November):
Miller/Skinner/Sampson
Abdur-Rahim/Thomas/Skinner
Stojakovich/Wells/Williamson/Barnes
Wells/Martin/Garsia
Bibby/Hart/Martin/Price

Another inquiry on rotation. Adelman like Kevin's game. Martin also put much additional weight that must allow him easier match-up with most SG. So if Peja comes first to the bench will Bonzi swing to SF with Martin coming at SG(I can think only about R.Lewis and tweeners at SF as guys Bonzi match-up badly). Or Corliss will most times come in for Peja. When Bonzi is the first to go to the bench I guess Kevin is a clear choice.(Unless Cisco earns Kevin's place as his style more team-oriented and there's always a chance that in the training camp he will do really well).

 

[6th]

Bobby was our 6th man for several years. Maybe a Jason Hart fills in that need. Then a KT could as you point out be the first big man off the bench, much like Brad was when we had Vlade and CWebb. I hope he embraces that role. He could be awesome if he wanted to.

My fear is that KT will not embrace that role. He sees himself as a starter somewhere. He must think that his size does not matter. At any rate, I envision him sulking and whining which would be a horrible disruption. So, as much as I like Kenny in a back-up role, I am hoping they find a way to trade him (and his forever contract).

 

[LA King Fan II]

I must go on record as saying the Kings are not done with roster. IMO either Garcia or Martin is gone, and there is no way we're keeping all three of the Philly for Webber trio. Still it might take one of our "core" guys to finish a monster trade, but it's what it will take to leap back onto the front page of SI all over again.

If not - it'll be a nice team - improved but in a dogfight for Western conference seeding.

 

[Kings113]

Actually Corliss can be very helpful in some special situations like this: Sac plays against SA. With Bonzi able to post-up Manu SA will put Bowen on Bonzi and Manu on Peja or will have to because I think Bonzi can really torture Ginobili(though Duncan will torture Reef much more). Adelman can replace Peja with Corliss and SA will really have to adjust (something like put Horry in to play against Corliss).

Right now I see the rotation as follows(I guess Barnes will with the team come November):
Miller/Skinner/Sampson
Abdur-Rahim/Thomas/Skinner
Stojakovich/Wells/Williamson/Barnes
Wells/Martin/Garsia
Bibby/Hart/Martin/Price

Another inquiry on rotation. Adelman like Kevin's game. Martin also put much additional weight that must allow him easier match-up with most SG. So if Peja comes first to the bench will Bonzi swing to SF with Martin coming at SG(I can think only about R.Lewis and tweeners at SF as guys Bonzi match-up badly). Or Corliss will most times come in for Peja. When Bonzi is the first to go to the bench I guess Kevin is a clear choice.(Unless Cisco earns Kevin's place as his style more team-oriented and there's always a chance that in the training camp he will do really well).

Agreed. But on K-Mart, has he put on more weight since the 8-9 lbs in July? Or are you just saying he will/should by October? Like most others have.

I still ultimately don't think KT is a King come October. Corliss is a question mark.

I must go on record as saying the Kings are not done with roster. IMO either Garcia or Martin is gone, and there is no way we're keeping all three of the Philly for Webber trio.

Agreed. Not on Garcia though, Martin. My feelings on that (Martin going) have lessened a bit though, but still think it could happen.

 

[CruzDude]

With Evans apparently signing with Detroit the only offer still on the table is to Songaila who would be the 14th man. Petrie is on record as saying they only want to carry 13 on the active roster this year. So if Matt Barnes at SF and Songaila at PF are the possibilities for the last roster spot that is 14 not 13. A dilemma.

If Matt has made a major improvement in his mid-range jumper as this mornings Bee article implies, then his defense at SF could put him above Darius in the need to have rating. Then it wouldn't suprise me that Petrie is "pat" for the roster. Which would be a major plus a month away from training camp.

My vote is for Matt Barnes as we need backup at SF more than at PF, a keeping fingers crossed that Sampson works out.

 

[Kings113]

I'm def. confident that Barnes has improved his jumpshot, as it was said earlier in an article he worked on it at Philly, and was over the summer so far. Good to hear that it's improving, haven't read that article yet.

I'd rather Barnes.

 

[Kings113]

Found these two pieces quite interesting, they're from February 05:

G Jason Hart, Bobcats
Brevin Knight may be second in the league in assists, but he's also missed 11 games due to injury this season, and Hart has proven more than capable as a backup. Knight left Sunday's game with another ankle sprain, and it's unclear whether he'll be available for Monday's quick turnaround against the Blazers. With B-Knight having just missed five straight with an ankle injury in late January, we're skeptical about him bouncing back quickly. In the five games he missed, Hart started and averaged 13 points, nine assists, and six boards per game. Those numbers will serve you well if Hart starts twice before the break.

F/C Melvin Ely, Bobcats
Childress isn't the only one taking advantage of injuries to make a name for himself. Ely stepped into Emeka Okafor's spot when the frontrunner for Rookie of the Year was disabled with an ankle injury, and Ely simply did his best impersonation. In seven February starts, Ely has posted nearly 14 points, 10 boards, and 2.4 swats per night. Okafor returned on Friday, only to aggravate his ankle sprain, and now starting center Primoz Brezec is missing time with a knee condition. With both big men limited, if not out, Ely will see serious run in the 'Cats last two games before the break, and that's all he's needed as of late.

http://www.fanball.com/article.cfm/id.3445

More good stuff about Hart. On Ely, from his hoopshype.com profile, nba.com profile and then that above, the more I like the guy. That'd be fantastic if we somehow got him .

I saw like 2-3 'Cats games last season, but wasn't really focused on anyone particular, or it was just a lot of glancing.

 

[CruzDude]

Me thinks Kings are at final roster plus or minus Barnes or similar. Training camp roster should show up the last week of September then we'll see.

 

[CruzDude]

Me thinks Kings are at final roster plus or minus Barnes or similar. Training camp roster should show up the last week of September then we'll see.

Some much for that idea. Now with Luis Flores and Pauling we have 6 or 7 guards in camp (Kevin Martin a SG in this argument). But no peeps about any big bodies. Hmmmm

 

[Kings113]

There is still 2 1/2 weeks or so. I definitely expect 1 or 2 more players to be in camp, and they'll be foward or center.

 

[Bricklayer]

Hmmmm

Well, the thing about the big bodies is that there's really very little realistic chance that a camp invite big man is going to make our 12 man roster and make any impact. We have a hole up front, but its a hole that really can only be upgraded by a getting a QUALITY big body, which would mean FA (not much left) or trade. Any camp invite would have to be be better than Jamal Sampson to even crack the roster, and considerably better than the established vets up front to make any difference. And that's doesn't seem likely to me.

 

[Kings113]

I'd say Vladimir Stepania (I don't know of his status... but he has been a free-agent, and isn't signed anywhere), Michael Stewart and Zendon Hamilton are on or above Sampson's level.

 

[love_them_kings]

With Evans apparently signing with Detroit the only offer still on the table is to Songaila who would be the 14th man. Petrie is on record as saying they only want to carry 13 on the active roster this year. So if Matt Barnes at SF and Songaila at PF are the possibilities for the last roster spot that is 14 not 13. A dilemma.

If Matt has made a major improvement in his mid-range jumper as this mornings Bee article implies, then his defense at SF could put him above Darius in the need to have rating. Then it wouldn't suprise me that Petrie is "pat" for the roster. Which would be a major plus a month away from training camp.

My vote is for Matt Barnes as we need backup at SF more than at PF, a keeping fingers crossed that Sampson works out.

would love to have Matt Barnes back on the team! I like Songaila too, but isn't he basically gone? I thought he'd signed an offer sheet or something?

 

[VF21]

would love to have Matt Barnes back on the team! I like Songaila too, but isn't he basically gone? I thought he'd signed an offer sheet or something?

Look again, ltk...

The post you're responding to was made on Aug. 25...

 

[AriesMar27]

so.... whats barnes' status? i feel so out of the loop....

 

[VF21]

Look in the NBA forum. I just posted the NBA Beat from the Bee. It mentions Matt Barnes, but doesn't give a lot of info...

 

[CruzDude]

Well, as of 24 September the basic "13" seem set plus Paulding at #14. However, with the training camp roster now set as well we see 3 "bigs", or rather 3 "talls". The 7 footers weigh 205 and 228 respectively and Dan Langhi is really 6-9 or 6-10. Dan has bounced around but always seems to land on a team.

Anyhoo.... no suprises and only now the guessing of who, if anyone, will go on the D League for the Kings.

 

[kingsfan916]

I think we should sign atleast 1 more big man. I mean Kenny is good but only 6'7" we need 3 big men. We have Miller and SAR. Jamal Sampson dosen't look too good if you look at his stats. But we will have to wait and see if he improves.