Those are quite a bit of faults. And the $ level is just exasperating. I mean he'll likely be owed 1/4 of the available cap room when all is said and done. That's a big deal. I mean is it worth pulling the trigger now? Maybe(I do like him as a player overall), but then you lose the opportunity cost of say, Danny Granger becomes available next year due to paul george's progression. Things like that. Do we want to cut into our maneuverability flexibility now for a player that's actually quite redundant to what Tyreke brings us? I'm not saying yes or no, just phrasing these questions. This isn't a Mitch for C-Webb deal where the only question was, Will he show up? There's a lot of variables to sort through here. I'm 100% on the fence with this one.
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Those are quite a bit of faults. And the $ level is just exasperating. I mean he'll likely be owed 1/4 of the available cap room when all is said and done. That's a big deal. I mean is it worth pulling the trigger now? Maybe(I do like him as a player overall), but then you lose the opportunity cost of say, Danny Granger becomes available next year due to paul george's progression. Things like that. Do we want to cut into our maneuverability flexibility now for a player that's actually quite redundant to what Tyreke brings us? I'm not saying yes or no, just phrasing these questions. This isn't a Mitch for C-Webb deal where the only question was, Will he show up? There's a lot of variables to sort through here. I'm 100% on the fence with this one.
I doubt the Kings would even have to dangle their pick if they wanted Iguodala. The Sixers want to get his contract off the books. A straight up trade for Casspi would probably do it. Omri clearly wants more minutes and could become a distraction soon, though I like his hustle and he is a decent shooter at the 3.
Another option would be to deal the draft pick and Cisco for AI. I don't like trading one of the team's veteran voices and a guy who was a solid shooter, but it would mean shipping out about $6 million more (counting the draft pick's contract) than dealing Casspi which is important flexibility when Iguodala would be eating up so much of the cap. Not to mention that AI would swing between the 2 and 3 and likely eat up all of the minutes Cisco would have gotten anyway.
More financial wiggle room and the chance to see Casspi develop vs keeping Cisco's shooting and adding a lottery pick in a weak draft. I would be okay with either.
The only thing that scares me is that trading for Iguodala is the big home run swing. All the caproom the team has created through the rebuild would essentially go to keeping Thornton and Dalembert and adding AI with the hopes that he's the piece - along with development from the young guys and the benefit of more time to gel - that gets this team to the next level.
I'd be okay with Geoff pulling the trigger, but it's a bold move that definitely carries some risk.
Another option would be to deal the draft pick and Cisco for AI. I don't like trading one of the team's veteran voices and a guy who was a solid shooter, but it would mean shipping out about $6 million more (counting the draft pick's contract) than dealing Casspi which is important flexibility when Iguodala would be eating up so much of the cap. Not to mention that AI would swing between the 2 and 3 and likely eat up all of the minutes Cisco would have gotten anyway.
More financial wiggle room and the chance to see Casspi develop vs keeping Cisco's shooting and adding a lottery pick in a weak draft. I would be okay with either.
The only thing that scares me is that trading for Iguodala is the big home run swing. All the caproom the team has created through the rebuild would essentially go to keeping Thornton and Dalembert and adding AI with the hopes that he's the piece - along with development from the young guys and the benefit of more time to gel - that gets this team to the next level.
I'd be okay with Geoff pulling the trigger, but it's a bold move that definitely carries some risk.
Conventional wisdom would say you're wrong, but I kinda agree with this. Taking on 13 million+ dollar contracts over multiple years for gratis is a BIG DEAL in the NBA, particularly with the new CBA looming that's likely going to force teams to become 'leaner' financially. One more reason why I'm hesitant to add Iggy quite frankly. However, if the cost of addition were say, Casspi straight up for Iggy with the Kings absorbing the contract, I'd bite. Giving up a top 5 pick when Petrie is your GM, usually isn't a very good idea. The guy knows talent. #5 pick gives Petrie the ability to take the BPA on the board minus 4 prospects that will be on the roster for 4 years on a sub-5million a year deal with team flexibility on that contract for years 3 and 4 and even 5. Those kind of contracts give you leverage in contract and trade negotiations.
I think Casspi for Iggy is a no-brainer, however, giving up a top 5 pick while adding all that salary gives me room to pause for sure.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Those are all good questions, and questions that I'm asking myself as well. To my mind, the only way I want AI is if he's put in the SF position. I'm not that big an advocate of moving Thornton to the bench and putting AI at the SG position. That leaves us right back where we started. Looking for a SF that fits the needs of the team, with less money to work with, while at the same time taking away a lot of the starting units offense and putting it on the bench. I don't see the logic in that.
If the powers that be don't think that AI is a proper fit at the SF position, then you lose my endorsement.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I like Iggy a lot, but with the Tyreke and Dally - two guys who can't stretch the floor - it just wouldn't work. We need an outside shooter at the three like Granger. Otherwise, teams are just going to pack the paint like you wouldn't believe. If we had a pf that could stretch the floor then you could get away with Iggy. Or, if Tyreke gets an outside shot then Iggy becomes doable. But that's pretty uncertain right now.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
I've been thinking of a way to try and keep our first rounder and still grab Iggy, and I came up with this...
It would be RIGHT up against the cap ( If the cap stays at 56 million, which is impossible to tell at this point .. )
But I think the sixers would take just Casspi back if we agreed to take on Nocionis contract as well as Iggy. Noch is on the final year of his terrible deal, And I think we would probly just buy him out .. Im willing to bet he wont like coming back here. And If I'm the sixers I do it because it would allow them to go hard after a guy like Marc Gasol, who would be a huge upgrade over Spencer Hawes for them. They could also go after a temporary Iggy replacement like Prince or AK.
So what it really comes down to for us is, would we rather have 6 million more dollars of capspace this season OR a top 5 pick. I'll take the top 5 pick. We'll get Nocionis cap room back next offseason and adding that top 5 pick talent at cheap dollars for the next 5 years could be huge.
The one reason I dont do this is that it really cuts it close when it comes to caproom and resigning Dally and Thornton. By my quick math it leaves us with about 14 -16 million left to sign them. Which may not be enough, and if it isnt I dont do the deal or I look for other ways to open up some room. On the other hand, if we completely lose out on Dalembert to some other team I think this would be a smart deal to make because we could use our high pick to replace Dallys spot with a guy like Kanter, Biyumbo, ect...
The way I see it, the only major FA worth targetting for this team is at the SF spot. And once we trade for Iggy we wont need the cap room to sign anyone else but Dalembert and Marcus, so I have no problem renting that room for Nocionis contract so long as we get to keep that pick and improve our team that way.
It would be RIGHT up against the cap ( If the cap stays at 56 million, which is impossible to tell at this point .. )
But I think the sixers would take just Casspi back if we agreed to take on Nocionis contract as well as Iggy. Noch is on the final year of his terrible deal, And I think we would probly just buy him out .. Im willing to bet he wont like coming back here. And If I'm the sixers I do it because it would allow them to go hard after a guy like Marc Gasol, who would be a huge upgrade over Spencer Hawes for them. They could also go after a temporary Iggy replacement like Prince or AK.
So what it really comes down to for us is, would we rather have 6 million more dollars of capspace this season OR a top 5 pick. I'll take the top 5 pick. We'll get Nocionis cap room back next offseason and adding that top 5 pick talent at cheap dollars for the next 5 years could be huge.
The one reason I dont do this is that it really cuts it close when it comes to caproom and resigning Dally and Thornton. By my quick math it leaves us with about 14 -16 million left to sign them. Which may not be enough, and if it isnt I dont do the deal or I look for other ways to open up some room. On the other hand, if we completely lose out on Dalembert to some other team I think this would be a smart deal to make because we could use our high pick to replace Dallys spot with a guy like Kanter, Biyumbo, ect...
The way I see it, the only major FA worth targetting for this team is at the SF spot. And once we trade for Iggy we wont need the cap room to sign anyone else but Dalembert and Marcus, so I have no problem renting that room for Nocionis contract so long as we get to keep that pick and improve our team that way.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
While the shooting does remain the big concern with an Iggy (beyond the contract) it should be noted that the Memphis Grizzlies, to name one team, are muscling their way through these playoffs with almost no three point shooting at all out there (Conley is ok at .369, none of their other starters take hardly any, and even their best 3pt shooter, OJ Mayo, slumped to .364 off the bench. It can be done. A weakness, but with a prolific 3pt shooter like Thornton out there, one that might be overcome by crunching opposing teams everywhere else on the floor.
I'm hoping that during his exit interview Petrie/Westphal told Donte that if he wanted playing time next season that he should spend his summer 1) gettin in great shape and dedicated to being a defensive stopper and 2) catching and shooting 3's.
Donte's real chance to stick is to be the Kings Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell.
That said, I don't mind the Kings giving Iggy a hard look, but I'd hesitate to give up the draft pick OR take on any other salary from Philly when clearly they are looking to dump an awful contract this summer. And if the draft doesn't yield shooting, I'd pick up a wing (hopefully a SF) who CAN be a shooter off the bench.
Donte's real chance to stick is to be the Kings Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell.
That said, I don't mind the Kings giving Iggy a hard look, but I'd hesitate to give up the draft pick OR take on any other salary from Philly when clearly they are looking to dump an awful contract this summer. And if the draft doesn't yield shooting, I'd pick up a wing (hopefully a SF) who CAN be a shooter off the bench.
Boogie-havoc
Bench
Iggy is pretty great at handling and distributing the ball, and can work as a point-forward and be that extra ball handler we're dearly missing.
I also like him cause he'll bring that defensive atitude to our team.. ofcourse trading for him means we're going all-in on Demarcus and Tyreke being who we hope they would be - but hey, in the NBA you need to take those gambles at times.. you can only play on the safe side for so long, we're in a place where we need to make our move.
With Reke, Cousins and MT - Iggy can play alot like he wants focusing on defending and distributing and handling the rock exactly like in the summer with Team USA.
Oh and -
I also like him cause he'll bring that defensive atitude to our team.. ofcourse trading for him means we're going all-in on Demarcus and Tyreke being who we hope they would be - but hey, in the NBA you need to take those gambles at times.. you can only play on the safe side for so long, we're in a place where we need to make our move.
With Reke, Cousins and MT - Iggy can play alot like he wants focusing on defending and distributing and handling the rock exactly like in the summer with Team USA.
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Agent23
Starter
It is worth it. With him not having to focus so much on offense with the "firepower" this team has, he can go all in on defense and this team can instantly become a playoff team next year and beyond.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That is the issue. But at some point here we may have to rely on internal improvemnts to patch some of that. And here I am thinking of course of Reke, and then to a much lesser degree Donte. With three things that we would like to add, or at least seemingly would like to add, at that SF position -- playmaking/passing, defense, and 3pt shooting (some vet leadership and a willingness to play a role offensively would be nice too), there just is no truly perfect guy who will do all three. Iggy has two of the three, and then you are left shy of threes. Kirilenko has the same two basically, but on a lankier SF/PF level rather than a swingman level. Prince has the defense and the threes, but not the passing/creativeness. And he's older of course. Battier will probably stay in Memphis now I would think, but he's mostly just the defense anyway. Not a three point shooter or a creative passer. And just etc. So in a world of imperfections, I think Iggy is so strong at the two areas he does fill that it might be worthwhile for you to just do whatever you could to cobble together enough shooting around him.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Now BTW, on the arguing that our target should still be AK47 front, this is apparently his new tattoo:
See? Now don't you want the ginat 6'10" longarmed demon on YOUR side?
See? Now don't you want the ginat 6'10" longarmed demon on YOUR side?
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Now BTW, on the arguing that our target should still be AK47 front, this is apparently his new tattoo:
See? Now don't you want the giant 6'10" longarmed demon on YOUR side?
What ...... is ....... it?
KingsCitizen
Starter
Looks to me like some metal armored dude riding at the back of a giant bat-like creature. Probably Kirilenko got some sort of Lord Of the Rings or some sort of spirit like that in him.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Except the Red Dragon looked like a red dragon. In any case, if he wanted to creep people out, he succeeded. In some ways it corresponds with his looks.
Other worldly. I think that thing appears in nightmares.
Krunker
Northernmost Kings Fan
"FOX 13's Rick Aaron was told that the tattoo is a depiction of Andrei's character on WoW -- a level 80 paladin, riding on a dragon"
I gotta question the judgement getting this monstrosity tattoed on your back in the first place. But when it's based on your World of Warcraft character, that's a whole new level.
http://www.fox13now.com/sports/kstu...ring-his-entire-back-20110509,0,7297239.story
I gotta question the judgement getting this monstrosity tattoed on your back in the first place. But when it's based on your World of Warcraft character, that's a whole new level.
http://www.fox13now.com/sports/kstu...ring-his-entire-back-20110509,0,7297239.story
kingofthejungle
G-League
Iguodala
I would absolutely make a play for Iguodala but understand reservations about his shooting and contract. Before delving into the positives, lets consider some solutions to these negatives. The following thoughts assume that the Kings trade Casspi and their 1st round pick for Iguodala and the Sixers' 1st rounder.
SHOOTING: The Kings could start Jason Thompson alongside Cousins, which should help spread the floor for Evans and Iguodala, as they are pretty reliable shooters from 18 feet. Add Thornton's sharp-shooting to the mix and presto, you've got 3 "shooters" on the floor. Also consider that shooting only gets better with age, so expect modest improvements from Evans and Iguodala next year.
CONTRACT: In terms of contact concerns, remember that 1) the Kings have the lowest payroll in the league, 2) you have to bite the bullet at some point to compete, 3) the organization needs to improve this year if they want to build momentum to help them stay, 4) his contract only lasts 3 years, so the Kings will have Iguodala in his prime, and 5) his contact expires when it is time to re-sign Cousins so the Kings will have money available to keep their nucleus intact but also have another 2 drafts to select other small forward candidates.
But this is only addressing the negatives. Think about the positives.
DEFENSIVE UPGRADE: Iguodala guards the opposing team's best swingman every night. He will also help create turnovers, leading to fast breaks (see athleticism for more).
BALL HANDLING AND PASSING: For a starting small forward, Iguodala would help facilitate the offense, allowing Thornton to work off the ball and spot up from 3. Although Evans would continue to run the offense some, a bit of pressure can be taken off of his shoulders.
ATHLETICISM: More fast break opportunities and a guy who can dish as well as finish spectacularly around the basket in Iguodala.
VETERAN EXPERIENCE: Iguodala has been around but he's relatively young at 27. The Kings get a guy who has been there and done that. And just look at Igoudala's body and tell me he's not in the gym all of the time. One could only hope that his work ethic would influence young Evans and Cousins--even Donte!
BALANCED ROSTER: This team needs a starting small forward; Iguodala is a starting small forward. Just kind of works from a balance standpoint.
QUALITY BENCH: If the Kings add Iguodala and move Thompson to the starting power forward spot to add some outside shooting, the Kings then bring Udrih and Dalembert off the bench (of course this assumes that the Kings re-sign Thornton and Dalembert). Beno and Sammy D. would make an incredible first two subs ... followed by Garcia and Greene ... Jeter and Thornton ... and Whiteside. The Kings could still look to add one more player in free agency as they would have remaining cap room, so consider that as well. I would consider bolstering the Kings frontcourt with a Josh McRoberts type of talent, one of the "stretch 4" types to best compliment Evans and Iguodala.
16TH PICK: Assuming that the above trade proposal interests the Sixers, the Kings also walk away with their first rounder. If "the Jimmer" is available the Kings take him, if not, the Kings consider moving up to nab him. The Kings outside shooting problems and free throw shooting woes would be addressed somewhat with this selection.
DEPTH CHART:
Thornton/Udrih/Jeter
Evans/Fredette/Taylor
Iguodala/Garcia/Greene
Thompson/McRoberts
Cousins/Dalembert/Whiteside
Playoffs next year. 2nd round the year after. If all goes well, title contention by Iguodala's contract year.
I would absolutely make a play for Iguodala but understand reservations about his shooting and contract. Before delving into the positives, lets consider some solutions to these negatives. The following thoughts assume that the Kings trade Casspi and their 1st round pick for Iguodala and the Sixers' 1st rounder.
SHOOTING: The Kings could start Jason Thompson alongside Cousins, which should help spread the floor for Evans and Iguodala, as they are pretty reliable shooters from 18 feet. Add Thornton's sharp-shooting to the mix and presto, you've got 3 "shooters" on the floor. Also consider that shooting only gets better with age, so expect modest improvements from Evans and Iguodala next year.
CONTRACT: In terms of contact concerns, remember that 1) the Kings have the lowest payroll in the league, 2) you have to bite the bullet at some point to compete, 3) the organization needs to improve this year if they want to build momentum to help them stay, 4) his contract only lasts 3 years, so the Kings will have Iguodala in his prime, and 5) his contact expires when it is time to re-sign Cousins so the Kings will have money available to keep their nucleus intact but also have another 2 drafts to select other small forward candidates.
But this is only addressing the negatives. Think about the positives.
DEFENSIVE UPGRADE: Iguodala guards the opposing team's best swingman every night. He will also help create turnovers, leading to fast breaks (see athleticism for more).
BALL HANDLING AND PASSING: For a starting small forward, Iguodala would help facilitate the offense, allowing Thornton to work off the ball and spot up from 3. Although Evans would continue to run the offense some, a bit of pressure can be taken off of his shoulders.
ATHLETICISM: More fast break opportunities and a guy who can dish as well as finish spectacularly around the basket in Iguodala.
VETERAN EXPERIENCE: Iguodala has been around but he's relatively young at 27. The Kings get a guy who has been there and done that. And just look at Igoudala's body and tell me he's not in the gym all of the time. One could only hope that his work ethic would influence young Evans and Cousins--even Donte!
BALANCED ROSTER: This team needs a starting small forward; Iguodala is a starting small forward. Just kind of works from a balance standpoint.
QUALITY BENCH: If the Kings add Iguodala and move Thompson to the starting power forward spot to add some outside shooting, the Kings then bring Udrih and Dalembert off the bench (of course this assumes that the Kings re-sign Thornton and Dalembert). Beno and Sammy D. would make an incredible first two subs ... followed by Garcia and Greene ... Jeter and Thornton ... and Whiteside. The Kings could still look to add one more player in free agency as they would have remaining cap room, so consider that as well. I would consider bolstering the Kings frontcourt with a Josh McRoberts type of talent, one of the "stretch 4" types to best compliment Evans and Iguodala.
16TH PICK: Assuming that the above trade proposal interests the Sixers, the Kings also walk away with their first rounder. If "the Jimmer" is available the Kings take him, if not, the Kings consider moving up to nab him. The Kings outside shooting problems and free throw shooting woes would be addressed somewhat with this selection.
DEPTH CHART:
Thornton/Udrih/Jeter
Evans/Fredette/Taylor
Iguodala/Garcia/Greene
Thompson/McRoberts
Cousins/Dalembert/Whiteside
Playoffs next year. 2nd round the year after. If all goes well, title contention by Iguodala's contract year.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
The Memphis Grizzlies have players at every position that can stretch the floor. That doesn't mean they are a 3-ball team, just that they they all can shoot 20 footers. Neither Dally nor Tyreke can do that with any consistency. The addition of Iggy would take "pack the paint" to an absurd level.
kingofthejungle
G-League
Kingster
Consider that, if Petrie were to acquire Igoudala, he would probably gather additional talent that would compliment the acquisition. For example, please note the additions of "The Jimmer" and Josh McRoberts that I suggested above. I also believe that starting Thompson and bringing Dalembert off the bench might help some. Wouldn't this suffice?
Consider that, if Petrie were to acquire Igoudala, he would probably gather additional talent that would compliment the acquisition. For example, please note the additions of "The Jimmer" and Josh McRoberts that I suggested above. I also believe that starting Thompson and bringing Dalembert off the bench might help some. Wouldn't this suffice?
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Although I don't agree with the use of the bigs, that isn't really the point of the note. I have thought of the Iggy/Jimmer combo also. This doesn't mean there aren't other ways of getting a three point shooter but it seemed if you want a shooter, go for the gusto. Jimmer is more than that although it seems mainly on the offensive end. With his body, he could become a defensive player and although I don't know the ins and outs of his college team, I am guessing his defense wasn't focused on and he might be a bit of an unknown in that area if he applied himself.
How you get to this might not be so simple. For instance, the assumption Philly would make such a swap makes sense to us but maybe not to them. I suspect we will use the pick and work a trade some other way. My sense is that although this draft is weak, in the top 5 spots we can find someone very usable. That means we find a shooter some other way.
It might be simpler to trade for the shooter and offer any of our shooting forwards. This is where we have a log jam and I think we need to eliminate that log jam. I think any of them have value. I'd hate to lose Cisco because he is a leader especially behind the scenes and he also seems to be very purposeful about what he does on the court. There is rhyme or reason to his play. He can also back up at multiple positions and even start at multiple position in case of injury. That's important. That doesn't mean you don't trade him but this guy is intelligent and respected. He has a mother hen quality to him that I am sure is well appreciated by the rest of the team.
I am not a fan of Donte but if he ever applied himself, I could learn to love him. He has all the physical tools but seems more into enjoying life than being a gym rat. He does NOT hurt our chemistry. Casspi is a 3 point shooter and although his judgment sucks, perhap because he feels like he has to make a big splash or spend the rest of the game on the bench, he may evolve as most 22 year olds do. The talk of Iggy has resurrected my interest in keping him. He may evolve into something that is the perfect compliment to Iggy.
In any case, at the three position, assuming a trade for Iggy, the best two guys at his position on the bench, the best two guys to be three point shooters, are Cisco and Casspi.
There needs to be some more shuffling and it is here where Petrie knows more of what is possible than any of us. Remember, he is the guy who pulls off moves that none of have anticipated. At the least, we know that he wants what we want, a SF with defense on his mind and better outside shooting.
Worst case scanario, we stand pat and still improve. It's a good year to be a Kings fan.
Jimmer is more than that although it seems mainly on the offensive end. With his body, he could become a defensive player and although I don't know the ins and outs of his college team, I am guessing his defense wasn't focused on and he might be a bit of an unknown in that area if he applied himself.How you get to this might not be so simple. For instance, the assumption Philly would make such a swap makes sense to us but maybe not to them. I suspect we will use the pick and work a trade some other way. My sense is that although this draft is weak, in the top 5 spots we can find someone very usable. That means we find a shooter some other way.
It might be simpler to trade for the shooter and offer any of our shooting forwards. This is where we have a log jam and I think we need to eliminate that log jam. I think any of them have value. I'd hate to lose Cisco because he is a leader especially behind the scenes and he also seems to be very purposeful about what he does on the court. There is rhyme or reason to his play. He can also back up at multiple positions and even start at multiple position in case of injury. That's important. That doesn't mean you don't trade him but this guy is intelligent and respected. He has a mother hen quality to him that I am sure is well appreciated by the rest of the team.
I am not a fan of Donte but if he ever applied himself, I could learn to love him. He has all the physical tools but seems more into enjoying life than being a gym rat. He does NOT hurt our chemistry. Casspi is a 3 point shooter and although his judgment sucks, perhap because he feels like he has to make a big splash or spend the rest of the game on the bench, he may evolve as most 22 year olds do. The talk of Iggy has resurrected my interest in keping him. He may evolve into something that is the perfect compliment to Iggy.
In any case, at the three position, assuming a trade for Iggy, the best two guys at his position on the bench, the best two guys to be three point shooters, are Cisco and Casspi.
There needs to be some more shuffling and it is here where Petrie knows more of what is possible than any of us. Remember, he is the guy who pulls off moves that none of have anticipated. At the least, we know that he wants what we want, a SF with defense on his mind and better outside shooting.
Worst case scanario, we stand pat and still improve. It's a good year to be a Kings fan.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Oh they do not. Stop that. It gets ridiculous when you just wildly make up stuff in support of an argument that blatantly flies in the face of the entire history of the league. I don't get the fevor on such a blatantly obvious and unwinnable point. Defensive roleplayers have been some of the biggest kingmakers in basketball ever since they hung up that first peach basket. Next you'll be telling me how wonderful Tyson Chandler's jumper is...all in an ironic attempt to discredit Sam Dalembert's. This is just wrong headed and really unnecesary.
Nifty site called hoopdata.com tracks shot locations. Here are the jumper stats for the Memphis roleplaying swingman trio who have taken over the SF/SG spot the second half of the season:
Tony Allen:
10-15: 0.1 - 0.3 25.0%
16-23: 0.3 - 1.1 30.0%
Threes: 0.1 - 0.3 17.4%
Sam Young:
10-15: 0.1 - 0.3 40.0%
16-23: 0.9 - 2.1 41.0%
Threes: 0.2 - 0.6 34.0%
Shane Battier:
10-15: 0.0 - 0.0 0.0%
16-23: 0.0 - 0.1 0.0%
Threes: 0.6 - 1.8 33.3%
Not only do they not take them, they don't make them when they do.
Compare those to stats to the awful non-shooting heathens you are targeting:
Andre Igoudala:
10-15: 0.3 - 1.0 27.9%
16-23: 1.4 - 3.8 37.0%
Threes: 0.9 - 2.7 33.7%
Samuel Dalembert
10-15: 0.6 - 1.3 48.0%
16-23: 0.5 - 1.4 38.0%
Threes: 0.0 - 0.0 0.0%
Yes, I'm quite sure Young's 2.1 long jumpers at 41%, and 34% 3pt shooting provides a ton more space than Iggy's 3.8 long jumpers at 37% and 34% 3pt shooting. I am also sure that Battier and Tony Allen realy space the floor by shooting 25% on long jumpers, and of course barely ever taking them. Much preferable to Dalembert hitting 38% of his.
These are not good arguments. Memphis HAS been making its run with very little 3pt shooting (fewest takes and makes in the league) and on top of that, very little distance shooting of any kind form its defensive corps at SG/SF. Just deal with it. Better yet how about a "hmmmm" light bulb moment when you say aha! look at that! Who woulda thunk? And adjust your arguments to fit the facts instead of the other way around.
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sidney
Starter
I like it if the pick is not top 2 or 3. Elite defender and passer for his position. Great athlete and only 27. Contract is big but ends at the perfect time. 3pt shooting will be a weakness but we'd dominate in several areas. We should be competitive for the playoffs with Evans, Thornton, AI, Cousins, Dalembert.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Sorry but moving Thompson into the starting line up should NOT happen unless Dalembert or Cousins are injured or suspended. Why thinker with a winning combination. Finally we have the frontcourt rotation settled nicely where everyone know their roles and are excelling at it. Why change that? You want to help the offense by taking away from the interior defense? That doesn't get you where you need to go.
I have no problem with the starting 5 of
C: Dalembert
PF: Cousins
SF: Igoudala
SG: Thornton
PG: Evans
That is beastly which ever way you look at it. There might not be a great deal of shooting there but with the bench and the minutes spread, it will work wonders.
I look at it this way, with Dalembert - Cousins - Thompson we have a great frontcourt rotation that is finally settled in their roles within the team. I would not be playing around with that. I would like to add a 4th big who can play both position and can spot start and produce when he is called upon and possibly push JT for the the 3rd big spot. A bit younger version of Kurt Thomas. Someone of that ilk who can provide interior defense and some scoring if needed (which it probably won't be).
Furthermore, with the Evans - Thornton - Igoudala - Udrih - Garcia backcourt rotation you are absolutely laughing. It would probably be the deepest back court rotation in the league and gives a lot of flexibility to throw different looks at other team. Evans, Igoudala and Garcia can all play SG and SF if needed. Evans and to lesser extent Igoudala can play some PG. Beno can play both backcourt positions. Thornton is a SG who can spot a little bit at PG for short streches.
Last thing I would be too worried about is shooting because you can cover those spots with role players. Sign McRobert or Kapano etc types that will just spot up and shoot from beyond the arc but the basis of this is ridicilously talented starting 5 that could match it with anyone in the league. AI is an exceptional defender that has taken LeBron, Kobe, Melo, Roy, Johnson etc to cleaners this year. Add Dalembert's interior defense to the mix and you instantly becomes beastly defensively. Dalembert, AI and Evans could be a core of exceptional defensive unit. Add Greene as a spot specialist off the bench when needed and you are really on a good thing. If Greene pulls his finger out, gets focused, gets a consistent 3PT shot then we are laughing all the way to the bank.
Umm, I think he meant to say the Dallas Mavericks bench has shooters at every position.
