SF Trades
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Very out of character for Bridges. He's always been a high character professional both on and off the court. Watched him play for three years at Villanova, and never once saw anything like that. Looked like he thought it was a BS call, and wasn't ready at that moment to hear from the coach. The total atmosphere there must be tough right now. Just a guess, but when your one of the few players on the team that's actually trying to defend, you probably don't want to be singled out for a momentary lapse.
I wonder if Boston would be inclined to trade Gordon Hayward and his massive salary to get below the Luxury Tax and clear salary to re-sign Kyrie Irving?
All of our expiring Vet contracts (ZBo, Shump, KK, and Ben) plus 1 or 2 second round picks for Gordon Hayward plus our 2019 1st rounder (which Boston owns) and an additional future 1st rounder?
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7142650
It would save Boston massive salary and a repeat offender Luxury Tax hit next year. Opens up salary to re-sign Kyrie Irving this off season. Also opens up Tatum for more playing time and they won't need to pay his back up $32 million a year for the next 2 seasons.
The Kings get a former All-Star SF, coming off injury, plus 2 first round picks, including our 2019 first rounder back. He has 2 years remaining on his contracts, which comes off the books in time to re-sign our core of Buddy, Fox, and Bagley.
All of our expiring Vet contracts (ZBo, Shump, KK, and Ben) plus 1 or 2 second round picks for Gordon Hayward plus our 2019 1st rounder (which Boston owns) and an additional future 1st rounder?
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7142650
It would save Boston massive salary and a repeat offender Luxury Tax hit next year. Opens up salary to re-sign Kyrie Irving this off season. Also opens up Tatum for more playing time and they won't need to pay his back up $32 million a year for the next 2 seasons.
The Kings get a former All-Star SF, coming off injury, plus 2 first round picks, including our 2019 first rounder back. He has 2 years remaining on his contracts, which comes off the books in time to re-sign our core of Buddy, Fox, and Bagley.
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The problem that RealGM's trade checker isn't getting here is that Boston doesn't actually have roster slots to take on a 4-for-1. Additionally, this trade would actually force them to take on MORE money this year while they're over the tax, which would impose an additional salary burden (that I have not bothered to actually calculate). I just don't think Boston would do this at all.
If there were to be a Boston-Kings deal centered around a salary dump of Hayward - assuming Boston actually wants to salary dump Hayward - on the player side it would probably look more like Hayward+Bird+Wanamaker for McLemore+two of (ZBo/Shumpert/Koufos). Those trades work under the cap, saving Boston between about $5.5-$8.0M this year, getting them under the tax level without Boston having to cut anybody (and therefore, keep them on their tax ledger).
That said, they'd be giving up on Hayward - a recent former all-star who hasn't really rebounded from his injury - not only for nothing, but under your scenario actually giving us a reasonably valuable first-round pick back. And if they do that, I think that means they're convinced that Hayward is done. And if Hayward's done, we're paying almost $100M over three years for dead space and what is looking right now like a pick somewhere in the teens. It's the kind of gamble where, if they're willing to do it, maybe we should reconsider.
If there were to be a Boston-Kings deal centered around a salary dump of Hayward - assuming Boston actually wants to salary dump Hayward - on the player side it would probably look more like Hayward+Bird+Wanamaker for McLemore+two of (ZBo/Shumpert/Koufos). Those trades work under the cap, saving Boston between about $5.5-$8.0M this year, getting them under the tax level without Boston having to cut anybody (and therefore, keep them on their tax ledger).
That said, they'd be giving up on Hayward - a recent former all-star who hasn't really rebounded from his injury - not only for nothing, but under your scenario actually giving us a reasonably valuable first-round pick back. And if they do that, I think that means they're convinced that Hayward is done. And if Hayward's done, we're paying almost $100M over three years for dead space and what is looking right now like a pick somewhere in the teens. It's the kind of gamble where, if they're willing to do it, maybe we should reconsider.
Here is the thing about Ainge as a GM, he always thinks that he is out smarting whoever he is making a trade with. Just like when he opted for our 2019 draft pick instead of the Lakers 2018 1st round pick, he may wind up with the worse pick by gambling for our pick further away. Sometimes he outsmarts himself.
So, right now, Boston is mid-tier in the very average East. He knows that Hayward may not be in their long term plans at that salary anymore. Ainge knows he can better use his salary cap for his team needs (i.e. re-sign Kyrie) and he has Tatum, whom he likes a lot. The longer he waits to pull the trigger on a Hawyard salary dump, the more assets he will need to attach.
Ainge knows he needs to clear the decks and re-sign Kyrie this off season. So, if Ainge waits too long and Hayward is relegated to a bench role (behind Tatum and Jaylen Brown), then he won't be able to unload his contract. If Ainge acts now, when it is not clear either way if Hayward is done or not, he may be able to dump the salary without having to attach too many assets to the salary dump, may only need one 1st rounder right now, instead of 2 later. Even if Hayward rebounds to a solid SF in the league, I think Ainge can live with the consequences of dumping his massive salary and only needing to give up one 1st rounder to do it.
I'm banking on the fact that Hayward can at least get back to the level of a solid all-around SF type or borderline All-Star, much like Paul George did after his injury. Either way, his contracts come off the books when the Kings need to re-sign Buddy, Fox and Bagley.
So, right now, Boston is mid-tier in the very average East. He knows that Hayward may not be in their long term plans at that salary anymore. Ainge knows he can better use his salary cap for his team needs (i.e. re-sign Kyrie) and he has Tatum, whom he likes a lot. The longer he waits to pull the trigger on a Hawyard salary dump, the more assets he will need to attach.
Ainge knows he needs to clear the decks and re-sign Kyrie this off season. So, if Ainge waits too long and Hayward is relegated to a bench role (behind Tatum and Jaylen Brown), then he won't be able to unload his contract. If Ainge acts now, when it is not clear either way if Hayward is done or not, he may be able to dump the salary without having to attach too many assets to the salary dump, may only need one 1st rounder right now, instead of 2 later. Even if Hayward rebounds to a solid SF in the league, I think Ainge can live with the consequences of dumping his massive salary and only needing to give up one 1st rounder to do it.
I'm banking on the fact that Hayward can at least get back to the level of a solid all-around SF type or borderline All-Star, much like Paul George did after his injury. Either way, his contracts come off the books when the Kings need to re-sign Buddy, Fox and Bagley.
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Yeah, that 2020 for the Celtics has potential to be an absolute nightmare cap situation:
Kyrie-max 5 year/188 mil for 37 mil/season
Hayward- 34 mil
Smart-13 mil
Which is already 84 mil locked up for 3 guys. Then they need to offer contracts to:
Jaylen Brown- RFA
Al Horford- UFA
Aron Baynes- UFA
This is already assuming they let Marcus Morris and Terry Rozier, both key pieces of their rotation, walk in the summer of 2019 as they're both due for pretty decent size raises over what they currently make. They probably get priced out of keeping Theis too this summer as he's more than likely going to get a better offer than a minimum contract. Or he should anyway.
So yeah, they're going to have to make some tough calls here in the next year or so. Think it'll come down to whether they're willing to lose Horford or find a way to get rid of Hayward's contract. Don't think they'll end up doing anything this season though, when they got a shot to make the finals.
Kyrie-max 5 year/188 mil for 37 mil/season
Hayward- 34 mil
Smart-13 mil
Which is already 84 mil locked up for 3 guys. Then they need to offer contracts to:
Jaylen Brown- RFA
Al Horford- UFA
Aron Baynes- UFA
This is already assuming they let Marcus Morris and Terry Rozier, both key pieces of their rotation, walk in the summer of 2019 as they're both due for pretty decent size raises over what they currently make. They probably get priced out of keeping Theis too this summer as he's more than likely going to get a better offer than a minimum contract. Or he should anyway.
So yeah, they're going to have to make some tough calls here in the next year or so. Think it'll come down to whether they're willing to lose Horford or find a way to get rid of Hayward's contract. Don't think they'll end up doing anything this season though, when they got a shot to make the finals.
Trade Yogi for Troy Daniels or Wayne Ellington imo and let Bogie play back up and make sure Mason never sees the floor again this season, Troy would make it near impossible to double team on guys like Bagley/Fox and whoever he's out there with you could even start either of those guys at the 2 when Shumpert is resting and move Buddy to the 3 and keep Bogie in his Manu role.
The Kings are two games over 500. they have to cut the dead weight if they are serious about a playoff push.
The Kings are two games over 500. they have to cut the dead weight if they are serious about a playoff push.
Here is a trade a 2-for-1 Ben trade that could benefit both teams.
We trade Yogi Ferrell and Ben McClemore (and a 2nd rounder?) to Phoenix for Trevor Ariza.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7143222
The Kings get a full sized Small Forward with Championship experience. A proven 3 and D small forward. Also, this opens a roster spot to sign Troy Williams to the big league squad.
The Suns get a younger, potential starting Point Guard in Yogi and an ending contract and possible rotation guard in Ben. The Kings can even throw in a late 2nd rounder to complete the deal, if need be. Phoenix is looking for a point guard and they also shed some salary.
I think this would put the Kings solidly in the playoff hunt and we don't give up any integral player that we are playing in the deal.
The Kings would be very formidable, even against the Warriors, I think.
PF: Bjelicia / Bagley / Skal
SF: Ariza / JJ / Williams
C: WCS / KK / Giles
SG: Buddy / Shump
PG: Fox / Bogdan / Mason
We trade Yogi Ferrell and Ben McClemore (and a 2nd rounder?) to Phoenix for Trevor Ariza.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7143222
The Kings get a full sized Small Forward with Championship experience. A proven 3 and D small forward. Also, this opens a roster spot to sign Troy Williams to the big league squad.
The Suns get a younger, potential starting Point Guard in Yogi and an ending contract and possible rotation guard in Ben. The Kings can even throw in a late 2nd rounder to complete the deal, if need be. Phoenix is looking for a point guard and they also shed some salary.
I think this would put the Kings solidly in the playoff hunt and we don't give up any integral player that we are playing in the deal.
The Kings would be very formidable, even against the Warriors, I think.
PF: Bjelicia / Bagley / Skal
SF: Ariza / JJ / Williams
C: WCS / KK / Giles
SG: Buddy / Shump
PG: Fox / Bogdan / Mason
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Moving ZBo would be better for us, but his contract is more expensive and the Suns would just cut him after the trade, so I don't see a reason why they would want him instead of Ben's contract.
Ariza is a hot trade commodity right now, I think the rumor is 8 teams have inquired about a trade. Trading away a smaller salary would help our offer. Plus, we wouldn't really need to give up anything of value in this trade proposal.
Ariza is a hot trade commodity right now, I think the rumor is 8 teams have inquired about a trade. Trading away a smaller salary would help our offer. Plus, we wouldn't really need to give up anything of value in this trade proposal.
The Kings aren't one Trevor Ariza away from making the playoffs and even if they were who cares, they need to be looking at the next jump being a sustainable one. If the Kings are looking to package they either need to swing for the fences or pick up a chunk of future picks to package with young players and space to get a difference maker.
I agree. The issue is with Shump, Willie, and Kosta is they have to be careful to not cement their cap too quickly even if the locker room vibes deem it practical. The Kings are stuffed in the front court but there is no question that when Kosta plays the team is more solid in those minutes on average.
The great thing about Vlade finally reserving some of that cap is they have plenty of room to make deals without touching certain contracts. They have plenty of space and expirings with just Zbo and Ben to make a splash.
The great thing about Vlade finally reserving some of that cap is they have plenty of room to make deals without touching certain contracts. They have plenty of space and expirings with just Zbo and Ben to make a splash.