[SAS/NOH] - who will Bowen injure now ?

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piksi

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am i getting defensive or are you?
every post You have in this thread is defensive

you carry a flame for horry? it's a fine line between love and hate.
nothing fine about that line

blinders? no way. horry was cleared on all charges from this incident. bowen has been suspended once in his whole entire career, manu has never. you are the one swimming against the stream.
O.J. was cleared too. Doesn't make him less of a murderer. You know, politics is one thing but trying to explain people that what they saw themselves is an "illusion" - that is another. Face it - Spurs are dirty cheap floppers with fans who are more classless than lakers fans.
No one really wants to watch You win because they way You play this game sucks and "going over dead bodies" approach is getting old.

The problem is that in the NBA most teams are "dumb" and play fair. What should happen is retaliation. Someone steps on Manu's hurt ankle. Would love to hear form You how that would be a clean play.
 
Piksi said it all :D spurs are dirty down right dirty.... theres Hard work to get to the top dirt.. and theres cheap shot your way to the top dirty

bunch of floppers and dirty players... they won that game with the help of the refs... and their good shooting nothing more

now i know why spurs are boring.. its just watching 12 players on their backs for the entire game flopping
 

VF21

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How do you know who the officials are going to be? I thought that wasn't announced until right before the game...

Javie AND Bavetta? Oh, that could get interesting...
 
considering that horry's feet were planted and west was moving, i just can't see how anybody would consider that dirty. i looked at the replay over and over. there is nothing to it.
There's nothing to it? Horry's feet were NOT planted, as he clearly leans forward, and gets on his toes, right before contact. That's not planted.

And it's not legal to set a screen on a player that's in the air, whether from the front or the back. Robert Horry did not stand still and get jumped into, he moved into David West, even if he didn't actually take a step forward. It's plain to see. He was not stationary, and he did not keep his feet planted. Even on a regular screen, if you lean into the defender, that's an offensive foul.

it doesn't matter how much you love or hate the spurs. the play stands for itself. west moved into horry. horry leaned a little bit forward to brace for a collision that he could see coming, but west was the guy moving even if it was backwards.
It does matter whether you like the Spurs or not, and the proof of that is that only the Spurs fan is arguing that Robert Horry did no wrong.

Some people here can't stand the Spurs; I'm not one of them. I have no ulterior motive or underlying reason to argue that the play was dirty, and I have nothing to gain. But the play was dirty, and everyone sees it but you.

West was the guy moving, but he was in the air. He jumped up and back the way he did because he didn't know Robert Horry was behind him. And instead of having some regard for the safety and well-being of another player who is in a vulnerable position and move out of the way, Horry decided to lean in and maximize the impact.

I don't want to hear about this being the playoffs and elimination games and what not. Players make decisions on the spur of the moment that affect their safety and the safety of other players all the time. And it would have been easy for Horry to move out of the way, allowing David West to land safely, and still set the screen, without moving into him while he was in the air.

people just want the successful team to be a bunch of bad guys.
:rolleyes:

You can save the Scarface act for Suns fans.

I'm not calling you a homer or saying that you can't be objective, but don't - as a Spurs fan - call other people out for their lack of objectivity on what non-Spurs and non-Hornets fans obviously see as a dirty play. Of course I don't like Robert Horry, being a Kings fan, and of course I want the Hornets to win, being a Chris Paul fan, but I was here on this very board defending the Spurs two weeks ago against the Suns, and in last year's semis defending Bob Horry and the Spurs on the hip-check and suspension situation.

As an objective observer - at least more of one than you could ever be, given the team being discussed - it's pretty clear to me that the screen was dirty. I'm not saying that Horry should be suspended or fined; I'm simply saying that it was a dirty screen. We can agree to disagree if you'd like, and that's fine, but don't make like you're the only one who can be objective and everyone else is just hating on the Spurs because they're winning championships. In reality, you have just as much bias as anyone else does, and probably more, given the fact that you're a long-time and active supporter of one of the teams involved.
 
horry was cleared on all charges from this incident.
Did anyone really expect the NBA to come out and say "this was a dirty play by Robert Horry?" I think enough people here have said that the play wasn't suspension-worthy, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't dirty.

The NBA does get things wrong sometimes. Maybe you haven't experienced that yet as a Spurs fan.

bowen has been suspended once in his whole entire career, manu has never. you are the one swimming against the stream.
You're joking, right? I would never call Manu Ginobili dirty, but he does flop.

Bruce Bowen is, on the other hand, one of the dirtiest players in the game. Who cares how many times he's been suspended. Again, the NBA doesn't get all the calls right.
 

VF21

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As an objective observer - at least more of one than you could ever be, given the team being discussed - it's pretty clear to me that the screen was dirty. I'm not saying that Horry should be suspended or fined; I'm simply saying that it was a dirty screen. We can agree to disagree if you'd like, and that's fine, but don't make like you're the only one who can be objective and everyone else is just hating on the Spurs because they're winning championships. In reality, you have just as much bias as anyone else does, and probably more, given the fact that you're a long-time and active supporter of one of the teams involved.
Bravo, Supes.

I'm sure glad you're posting on a regular basis again. You hit the nail on the head clearly and fairly. Nice post.
 
I'll respectfully disagree with the Man of Steel. I think that it was cheap, I don't think it was dirty.
Six in one hand, half dozen in the other. Either way, I don't think many people would call it an "innocent" foul the way Dave is, or that the play stands for itself and there's nothing to it.

You could replace "dirty" with "cheap" and I'd be fine with that. It certainly wasn't a clean pick.
 
I don't know, the Horry foul looks like a typical playoff foul to let the other guy know that you're there. It just sucks that West has a bad back. I can understand the outrage though considering that Horry doesn't have a good rep with his previous acts like the Nash shove, and below the belt shot at the Admiral etc. His actions tend to get scrutinized more.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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You could replace "dirty" with "cheap" and I'd be fine with that. It certainly wasn't a clean pick.
I wouldn't, but that's because I don't consider a dirty foul and a cheap foul to be the same thing. It's the same way that someone else might use the word "friend" to describe an interpersonal relationship that I would personally classify as an acquaintance.
 
I wouldn't, but that's because I don't consider a dirty foul and a cheap foul to be the same thing. It's the same way that someone else might use the word "friend" to describe an interpersonal relationship that I would personally classify as an acquaintance.
:D

I understand. I said that I would be okay with it if you traded "dirty" for "cheap", in that instance. I was going to say that the two words are mostly synonymous, but they're not, just like "friend" and "acquaintance" aren't.

But if I assumed that someone was your friend because I saw you with them on occasion, and you corrected my by saying that it's just an acquaintance, I'd be okay with that.

Like I said, I don't think the foul was worthy of a suspension or a fine by itself. But I think that if you see that your position could cause someone to hurt themselves and you could easily keep that from happening by moving a foot out of the way, but you choose to stand there and actually increase the impact by leaning forward, I think that's dirty. I think that Bruce Bowen sticking his foot under a player while he takes a jumper is dirty. I think Wally Sczerbiak's foul on Kevin Garnett yesterday on the breakaway was cheap.

It's all a matter of individual perspective, but I understand where you're coming from, and I don't necessarily have to disagree with your assessment. But I definitely don't think Horry's actions were innocent or defensible in any way, the way some would argue.
 

piksi

Hall of Famer
too funny

3 stooges trying to find the way to srew Hornets.

Manu is retarded

I knew it - they would wave it off. No everyone is Samakee Walker
 
Manu keeping the Hornets in the game. Bonzi trying to return the favor.

EDIT: What do you know? Manu catches fire at the end of the first half and the Spurs have a good lead at the half. They are getting better shots than the Hornets. The magic third quarter awaits.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
More shades of 2002 -- Hornets look scared at home in the Game 7, missing FTs, rushing shots. By all rights it should be their time (as it should have been ours), but the situation is getting the better of them and they aren't playing with any confidence.
 
More shades of 2002 -- Hornets look scared at home in the Game 7, missing FTs, rushing shots. By all rights it should be their time (as it should have been ours), but the situation is getting the better of them and they aren't playing with any confidence.
Not to mention that last airball by Peja. A little too similiar to 2002
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
are the refs giving the spurs the game? i'm at work and can't view it!

Not the refs -- whatever can be said about the Spurs cheap play throughout the series, the big problem tonight has nothing to do with the Spurs, and everything to do with the Hornets. They have looked tentative from the start -- and actually their crowd has done a crappy job too as even THEY have looked scared. And the Hornets are just basically choking it. Spurs have had a ridiculous night from 3pt land, but the Hornets would be right in it if their collars weren't so tight. As it is they are missing every single shot. It all looks tight. Layups, short pops, does not matter. Nobody, not even Paul, stepping up in the clutch. One more quarter for a hero to emerge, or its over.
 
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God, I hate the Spurs. I'll leave it at that.

...But not as much as I hate the Lakers!!! Good riddance to LA bowing out of the WCF (although I wish it could be at the hands of the Hornets).
 
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