unless you think west is made of straw, then my argument is not made of 'straws'. my argument is horry leaned a little bit forward the way any sane person would who has to stand their ground when a guy that much bigger is coming at them. if horry would not have, he would have been knocked back and i'd be reading about what a flopper he is.
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Because Horry was leaning so much, it was called a foul. If it's a foul, then it's illegal. If it's illegal, then why does Horry, in that situation, do that?
Any pick that is set like that is going to be called a foul. He's leaning so far into West that he's standing on his toes. There's a difference between bracing oneself to absorb impact and leaning your weight into a guy to maximize impact.
I think Horry leaned too far, and knew what he was doing, but West jumping just exacerbated the hit.
Here's a good hard pick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkK-DhdpLuo
Gray stands straight up.
We have seen Brad Miller set hard picks, yet he doesn't have to lean like that, even when he braces for impact. Horry is 6'10'' 240lb, so it's not like he needed to do that to keep his footing. He could have very well stood straight up and flopped like he does half the time.
I don't think he planned it, or was totally malicious, but I also don't believe it was 100% innocent.
Any pick that is set like that is going to be called a foul. He's leaning so far into West that he's standing on his toes. There's a difference between bracing oneself to absorb impact and leaning your weight into a guy to maximize impact.
I think Horry leaned too far, and knew what he was doing, but West jumping just exacerbated the hit.
Here's a good hard pick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkK-DhdpLuo
Gray stands straight up.
We have seen Brad Miller set hard picks, yet he doesn't have to lean like that, even when he braces for impact. Horry is 6'10'' 240lb, so it's not like he needed to do that to keep his footing. He could have very well stood straight up and flopped like he does half the time.
I don't think he planned it, or was totally malicious, but I also don't believe it was 100% innocent.
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Because Horry was leaning so much, it was called a foul. If it's a foul, then it's illegal. If it's illegal, then why does Horry, in that situation, do that?
Any pick that is set like that is going to be called a foul. He's leaning so far into West that he's standing on his toes. There's a difference between bracing oneself to absorb impact and leaning your weight into a guy to maximize impact.
I think Horry leaned too far, and knew what he was doing, but West jumping just exacerbated the hit.
Here's a good hard pick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkK-DhdpLuo
Gray stands straight up.
We have seen Brad Miller set hard picks, yet he doesn't have to lean like that, even when he braces for impact. Horry is 6'10'' 240lb, so it's not like he needed to do that to keep his footing. He could have very well stood straight up and flopped like he does half the time.
Any pick that is set like that is going to be called a foul. He's leaning so far into West that he's standing on his toes. There's a difference between bracing oneself to absorb impact and leaning your weight into a guy to maximize impact.
I think Horry leaned too far, and knew what he was doing, but West jumping just exacerbated the hit.
Here's a good hard pick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkK-DhdpLuo
Gray stands straight up.
We have seen Brad Miller set hard picks, yet he doesn't have to lean like that, even when he braces for impact. Horry is 6'10'' 240lb, so it's not like he needed to do that to keep his footing. He could have very well stood straight up and flopped like he does half the time.
everybody reaches so much to try to reach some imaginary conclusion that the spurs are dirty. they're bracing for hits and leaning too much or they are bunch of no good cheating floppers. whatever.
like i said, suspend horry. i prefer he doesn't play in game 7. but no, that's not the point. people just want the successful team to be a bunch of bad guys.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh6IBQO6M3s
nobody made a big deal about chandler's screen (8:25 mark). why? because it's ok to be physical.
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I never said anything about a headbutt. He put his weight into his back, and West jumping, as I said, exacerbated the hit.
I never said the Spurs, as a team, were cheating floppers. I didn't even call Horry a dirty player. I'm not grasping at things to try to discredit them. I'm just saying I don't think that play was 100% innocent.
It didn't even look like he leaned until TP hit him. Also, if TP had a back injury, people would be talking about it.
That's the thing about the Horry shot, was that it was a combination of factors that leads up to the controversy. West was injured, and everybody knew it. He was moving quickly and Horry was going to set a blind pick. West jumped, Horry leaned in, and bam. Any other circumstance and it wouldn't be that big of a deal. If Horry stands straight up, or West doesn't jump, or West isn't injured, then it's no big deal.
I never said the Spurs, as a team, were cheating floppers. I didn't even call Horry a dirty player. I'm not grasping at things to try to discredit them. I'm just saying I don't think that play was 100% innocent.
It didn't even look like he leaned until TP hit him. Also, if TP had a back injury, people would be talking about it.
That's the thing about the Horry shot, was that it was a combination of factors that leads up to the controversy. West was injured, and everybody knew it. He was moving quickly and Horry was going to set a blind pick. West jumped, Horry leaned in, and bam. Any other circumstance and it wouldn't be that big of a deal. If Horry stands straight up, or West doesn't jump, or West isn't injured, then it's no big deal.
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Ah, the joys of controversy in the playoffs. And nothing amuses me more than to see a Spurs fan trying to defend the undefendable.
Horry KNEW what he was doing. That, above all else, makes it intentional and it makes it a foul. And it was called as a foul. And I hope Horry is suspended for doing it. Why? Not because he sucks, which appears to be your only reason, but because hard, physical play is one thing while setting up for a high potential for injury is another.
You said it yourself:
You're saying Horry was forced into taking the action to "stand his ground." Excuse me but at what point is a defender allowed to do whatever it takes to "stand his ground"? He wasn't trying to stand his ground; he was, as most have said, trying to set a blind pick and the rules on that are, I believe, pretty clear.
The main thing is he could have set a good pick and people would have gone "Damn, that was wicked." He chose to take it up a notch and it cost him - and it should.
Horry KNEW what he was doing. That, above all else, makes it intentional and it makes it a foul. And it was called as a foul. And I hope Horry is suspended for doing it. Why? Not because he sucks, which appears to be your only reason, but because hard, physical play is one thing while setting up for a high potential for injury is another.
You said it yourself:
You're saying Horry was forced into taking the action to "stand his ground." Excuse me but at what point is a defender allowed to do whatever it takes to "stand his ground"? He wasn't trying to stand his ground; he was, as most have said, trying to set a blind pick and the rules on that are, I believe, pretty clear.
The main thing is he could have set a good pick and people would have gone "Damn, that was wicked." He chose to take it up a notch and it cost him - and it should.
many people are basing their whole opinion on an imaginary headbutt.
many people say spurs are dirty and spurs are floppers.
his forearms were pushing through TP, something that robert horry did not do in his play.
horry can't do anything about west being hurt. he can't decide to take it easy on the guy. the game isn't played that way. he leaned forwards a little bit, it's normal for somebody who expects a big impact.
many people say spurs are dirty and spurs are floppers.
his forearms were pushing through TP, something that robert horry did not do in his play.
horry can't do anything about west being hurt. he can't decide to take it easy on the guy. the game isn't played that way. he leaned forwards a little bit, it's normal for somebody who expects a big impact.
blind picks are not illegal. bracing oneself for an impact is not illegal either. there is no dirty play to defend. you make my job easy.
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horry's head is not moving forward, nor is it in david west's lower back. horry's arms are not moving forward, nor are they in david west's lower back.
honestly, what's so dirty about the play?
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horry's head is not moving forward, nor is it in david west's lower back. horry's arms are not moving forward, nor are they in david west's lower back.
honestly, what's so dirty about the play?
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blind picks are not illegal. bracing oneself for an impact is not illegal either. there is no dirty play to defend. you make my job easy.
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horry's head is not moving forward, nor is it in david west's lower back. horry's arms are not moving forward, nor are they in david west's lower back.
honestly, what's so dirty about the play?
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horry's head is not moving forward, nor is it in david west's lower back. horry's arms are not moving forward, nor are they in david west's lower back.
honestly, what's so dirty about the play?
Clearly horry was leaning towards west... it doesnt matter if he moved or not but the way he is inclined to west says it all... his momentum as he lands on horry would be enough and that little "friendly" nudge that people tend to not see....
honestly i dont like how the spurs play... and they represent the champions (advocating "harD" aka dirty fouls)
what really upset me is how some of the fans cheered horry when west went down... that was low very low
honestly i dont like how the spurs play... and they represent the champions (advocating "harD" aka dirty fouls)
what really upset me is how some of the fans cheered horry when west went down... that was low very low
blind picks are not illegal. bracing oneself for an impact is not illegal either. there is no dirty play to defend. you make my job easy.
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horry's head is not moving forward, nor is it in david west's lower back. horry's arms are not moving forward, nor are they in david west's lower back.
honestly, what's so dirty about the play?
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horry's head is not moving forward, nor is it in david west's lower back. horry's arms are not moving forward, nor are they in david west's lower back.
honestly, what's so dirty about the play?
where did i say that he isn't leaning forward? i did not.
since when did leaning forward become dirty? sometime after brad miller's last pick, i presume.
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Spurs notebook: NBA review doesn't find problem with Horry's foul on Hornets' West
Web Posted: 05/16/2008 11:01 PM CDT
By Mike Monroe and Mike Finger
Express-News
The NBA's basketball operations staff determined during a review Friday that Robert Horry's foul on David West in the fourth quarter of the Spurs' Game 6 victory over the New Orleans Hornets was routine.
A back-pedaling West crashed into an Horry screen while trying to deflect a Manu Ginobili pass during Thursday night's game.
Horry had moved up on West from behind and positioned himself as Ginobili began a drive to the basket past Jannero Pargo.
Ginobili left his feet to throw a crosscourt jump pass, which West attempted to deflect. While still moving backwards in the air, West crashed into Horry's screen and crumpled to the floor.
since when did leaning forward become dirty? sometime after brad miller's last pick, i presume.
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Spurs notebook: NBA review doesn't find problem with Horry's foul on Hornets' West
Web Posted: 05/16/2008 11:01 PM CDT
By Mike Monroe and Mike Finger
Express-News
The NBA's basketball operations staff determined during a review Friday that Robert Horry's foul on David West in the fourth quarter of the Spurs' Game 6 victory over the New Orleans Hornets was routine.
A back-pedaling West crashed into an Horry screen while trying to deflect a Manu Ginobili pass during Thursday night's game.
Horry had moved up on West from behind and positioned himself as Ginobili began a drive to the basket past Jannero Pargo.
Ginobili left his feet to throw a crosscourt jump pass, which West attempted to deflect. While still moving backwards in the air, West crashed into Horry's screen and crumpled to the floor.
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There is nothing wrong with that foul. However, the intent is obvious. Horry knew that West had a bad back. That screen was not really necesarry but he put a little extra into it to make sure West has a hard time getting up.
If Bonzi did the same thing to Timmy, you would be seeing this differently.
If Bonzi did the same thing to Timmy, you would be seeing this differently.
OK. It is established that just about everyone disagrees with Dave. If he does not watch, out I may consider dubbing him "Dufus Dave". But we will see.
Back to topic at hand. Spurs win game 7, bookmark it.
As most of you, aside from Slim and Dufu.....I mean Dave, I hope the Hornets win the game. Too bad they will not. The Spurs will take this series and lose to the lakers (trust me, I hate to say that even more). Then the Lakers will beat the Pistons and I will be officially pissed, although right.
Back to topic at hand. Spurs win game 7, bookmark it.
As most of you, aside from Slim and Dufu.....I mean Dave, I hope the Hornets win the game. Too bad they will not. The Spurs will take this series and lose to the lakers (trust me, I hate to say that even more). Then the Lakers will beat the Pistons and I will be officially pissed, although right.
I'm terribly sorry but I don't frequent Rockets or Laker forums and, quite frankly, I fail to see the relevance. You're at a KINGS forum and we're having a discussion about how we perceive the game. You're more than welcome to participate but I'm seeing a trend here. You're getting more and more defensive because, IMHO, your argument is circular and specious.
I don't care if it was Chris Webber out there, BTW. If I saw that from any other player, my comment would be the same. It's cheap. The fact it was Robert Horry doing it only added more fuel to my personal flame about him, since I'm still more than a little perturbed over the hip check on Nash in last year's playoffs.
Take off the blinders. Of course, if you take them off as far as Horry is concerned, you also have to take them off as far as Bowen and Manu are concerned and the real picture just might be too much.
I don't care if it was Chris Webber out there, BTW. If I saw that from any other player, my comment would be the same. It's cheap. The fact it was Robert Horry doing it only added more fuel to my personal flame about him, since I'm still more than a little perturbed over the hip check on Nash in last year's playoffs.
Take off the blinders. Of course, if you take them off as far as Horry is concerned, you also have to take them off as far as Bowen and Manu are concerned and the real picture just might be too much.
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