Roy Hibbert

I hope we are not going to draft a big man just to say we finally got one. Unless the guy is Horford, Hibbert, Oden, Wright, or the guy from Kansas, I would go best player available. You're telling me that you guys would take Noah, Hawes, or some of the other non-elite bigs over a guy like Collison, Conley, or Brewer. I hope the kings don't waiste their pick like numeous other teams do every year on big men that never amount to even a decent bench player in the NBA. Just ask the Warriors about the guy they drafted last year or the team that took olowakandi.
 
The last thing I want is a slow-down team. We have one of the fastest players in the league in Kevin Martin and we get a big man to slow down the game? And it's not like he's a great initiator of a fast break - he's not a great defensive rebounder, nor a great outlet passer. If he were, he would compliment and augment the speed of Martin. But he's not that kind of player from what I've seen.

I paid a lot of attention to the Denver big men last night. These guys can move extremely well to get either blocked shots or rebounds. Hibbert can't.
I didn't realize what they were doing in Denver was working. Don't you want things that work. I prefer a faster type of game but that doesn't win titles my friend. We need a more effective team. You can't base what we should draft totally based on what you want, we want to win.
 
I hope we are not going to draft a big man just to say we finally got one. Unless the guy is Horford, Hibbert, Oden, Wright, or the guy from Kansas, I would go best player available. You're telling me that you guys would take Noah, Hawes, or some of the other non-elite bigs over a guy like Collison, Conley, or Brewer. I hope the kings don't waiste their pick like numeous other teams do every year on big men that never amount to even a decent bench player in the NBA. Just ask the Warriors about the guy they drafted last year or the team that took olowakandi.
They drafted him before they picked a coach. The coach they have doesn't go slow. Our team isn't a run and gun team anymore. BPA doesn't make sense. We don't not need a swing player, I'm sorry. BPA is not the best way to draft. We've drafted god knows what the last 3 of 4 years. How has that worked out.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
If we go for a slow down team, doesn't bother me in the least. So long as it is a GOOD slow down team, and we commit to it. If we can find a huge athletic guy who can run, great. But style points don't count in the least bit for me in a complete rebuild. Bring in big talent, then play whatever game the talent is suited for. It would be nice to compliment Kevin's game, but he's not the sort of franchise player you let determine all your other personnel moves.
 
If we go for a slow down team, doesn't bother me in the least. So long as it is a GOOD slow down team, and we commit to it. If we can find a huge athletic guy who can run, great. But style points don't count in the least bit for me in a complete rebuild. Bring in big talent, then play whatever game the talent is suited for. It would be nice to compliment Kevin's game, but he's not the sort of franchise player you let determine all your other personnel moves.
Besides Kevin has done just fine with our slow, do-nothing frontline, so Hibbert wont mess up his game.
 
This thread has taken a number of turns.

For whatever it is worth, if we end with Roy Hibbert this summer, I will be one darn excited Kings fan.
 
If we go for a slow down team, doesn't bother me in the least. So long as it is a GOOD slow down team, and we commit to it. If we can find a huge athletic guy who can run, great. But style points don't count in the least bit for me in a complete rebuild. Bring in big talent, then play whatever game the talent is suited for. It would be nice to compliment Kevin's game, but he's not the sort of franchise player you let determine all your other personnel moves.

Yeah, Tony Parker is probably faster than Kevin, and he seems to be doing just fine in a slow down offense.
 
I can't think of a better scenario than drafting Oden and Conley Jr. That would require a minor miracle for us to win the lottery and also trade Bibby for a top 10 pick. But barring that dream scenario, I think we really have to go big this year. You can't count on another top 10 pick next year and quality big men rarely last past the top 10 in any draft. Next year's draft is looking like the year of the point guard so we can possibly replace Bibby then.
I agree with the general sentiment that it would be great to have two awesome prospects at point guard and center, but Oden and Conley had terrible chemistry together and only seemed to be at their best when only one of them were on the floor. I'm also not quite as sold on Conley as some people -- he's not a good shooter and he doesn't have Tony Parker-esque blinding quickness. He's a fine distributor and he's athletic, but he doesn't scream franchise point guard to me.
 

hrdboild

Moloch in whom I dream Angels!
Staff member
I agree with the general sentiment that it would be great to have two awesome prospects at point guard and center, but Oden and Conley had terrible chemistry together and only seemed to be at their best when only one of them were on the floor. I'm also not quite as sold on Conley as some people -- he's not a good shooter and he doesn't have Tony Parker-esque blinding quickness. He's a fine distributor and he's athletic, but he doesn't scream franchise point guard to me.
I'm not all that worried about Conley lacking a jump shot at this point. Tony Parker couldn't shoot either, and he practically led the league in FG% last year. Even Jordan supposedly couldn't shoot when he came to the NBA -- let him figure that out over time. What I like about Conley is that he looks to set up his team, he controls the tempo. And whatever he lacks in speed he more than makes up for with ball control. He can penetrate if he needs to, but he's looking to pass first not set up his own shot. And I love his defense. Maybe not a franchise level point guard, but who says you need a superstar at every position to win a championship? If one player is going to be a complimentary player, it might as well be your point guard. And Conley looks like the perfect complimentary player. And he's played with Oden since High School. How could they not have good chemistry? Conley's dad is even Oden's agent now!

But this isn't a thread about Conley, I was mostly just thinking that a true center would solve a lot of problems for this team, and if we can't get Oden than Hibbert might be the next best thing.
 
I agree with the general sentiment that it would be great to have two awesome prospects at point guard and center, but Oden and Conley had terrible chemistry together and only seemed to be at their best when only one of them were on the floor. I'm also not quite as sold on Conley as some people -- he's not a good shooter and he doesn't have Tony Parker-esque blinding quickness. He's a fine distributor and he's athletic, but he doesn't scream franchise point guard to me.
Your post loses credibility when you say that Conley doesn't have blazing quickness. That is crazy.
 
I don't understand why people think that drafting Hibbert automatically makes our tempo slower than San Antonio's. If I recall correctly, the 1998-2001 Sacramento Kings were a running and gunning team with Vlade Divac starting at Center; Hibbert is more athletic and faster than Vlade.
 

Spike

Subsidiary Intermediary
Staff member
I don't understand why people think that drafting Hibbert automatically makes our tempo slower than San Antonio's. If I recall correctly, the 1998-2001 Sacramento Kings were a running and gunning team with (edit: 1 pack a day) Vlade Divac starting at Center; Hibbert is more athletic and faster than Vlade.
Just thought that the edit would help strengthen the point. :D

Having a "big" doesn't mean you end up in a half court set offense.
 
I really am not sure how I feel about Hibbert. In the old days when you needed a big body to throw against Shaq, Hibbert would have been perfect, and he'd probably be one of the top three picks. Now, how much do you really need a lumbering center? Hibbert is more athletic than most poeple give him credit for, and he can move around some, but he's not very smart (at least judging from how dumb he is about fouls) and he doesn't bring other skills other than some good footwork.
I don't watch college ball and haven't seen this guy, but it sounds like he is the typical big body Center of years past. With guys like Shaq winding down their careers it looks like this year will bring some HOFers back into the NBA. I'd like this guy if he is big and solid, and has some nice skills and plays Defense. I think that him and Williams for us would be a marriage made in heaven for our front court (Williams our athletic quick PF & Hibbert our big semi-athletic Center) and Miller and SAR could be the aged NBA vets off the bench or starters but with limited minutes. I really see Williams as a PF much more then a Center due to his athletism.

I know the NBA has changed the last few years and gotten more athletic and small, but I really see this year as a return of the big man with Oden and a few of the other big 7+ footers. You have this just about every year, but this year with Oden is a no brainer, Dwight Howard already is a big stud with a very bright future, Bynum in LA with the mentoring of the HOFer. While other big Centers like Shaq and Big Z are nearing the end of their playing careers and are more role players now, not center pieces.

If this guys is the real deal, then we could be just a few players away from a nice rebuild...that is if we trade away Thomas and Bibby and bring in the youth movement. I'm hopeful that we will not let winning against the Jazz derail our tank mentality and we continue lossing those close games and getting the best pick in the draft possible. Especially without having a 2nd rounder again this year, we need to strike gold with our early 1st round pick. :)
 
Last edited:
...and not all championship teams have had great center play: the Chicago Bulls dynasty. Feel free to tell us how great Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley and Bill Wennington were. It could really be said that the Bulls won the rings in spite of their centers rather than because of their centers.
I grew up a Bulls fan and was lucky enough to be around and watch most of their games, they won so much it almost become boring. The Bulls won because of Jordan and once he got a supporting crew and a right hand man in Pippen, you didn't need other super stars around, but rather good role players to do the dirty work. Rodman would be added to the Super Star rank as the guy was a rebounding machine and that really fueled the Bulls dynasty.

You just don't see teams winning 3-5+ championships year after year anymore. Sure the Mavs and Suns are very good, but I still don't see them winning like the Bulls did year in and year out. Things are more balanced now and a lot of it looks to be the need/want of a big center, with the rule changes, you have more athletism and smaller 4/5s. This really makes the game quicker and more fun to watch and your scoring doesn't all come from the guards, but is now more balance throughout the team.
 
I don't watch college ball and haven't seen this guy, but it sounds like he is the typical big body Center of years past. With guys like Shaq winding down their careers it looks like this year will bring some HOFers back into the NBA. I'd like this guy if he is big and solid, and has some nice skills and plays Defense. I think that him and Williams for us would be a marriage made in heaven for our front court (Williams our athletic quick PF & Hibbert our big semi-athletic Center) and Miller and SAR could be the aged NBA vets off the bench or starters but with limited minutes. I really see Williams as a PF much more then a Center due to his athletism.

I know the NBA has changed the last few years and gotten more athletic and small, but I really see this year as a return of the big man with Oden and a few of the other big 7+ footers. You have this just about every year, but this year with Oden is a no brainer, Dwight Howard already is a big stud with a very bright future, Bynum in LA with the mentoring of the HOFer. While other big Centers like Shaq and Big Z are nearing the end of their playing careers and are more role players now, not center pieces.

If this guys is the real deal, then we could be just a few players away from a nice rebuild...that is if we trade away Thomas and Bibby and bring in the youth movement. I'm hopeful that we will not let winning against the Jazz derail our tank mentality and we continue lossing those close games and getting the best pick in the draft possible. Especially without having a 2nd rounder again this year, we need to strike gold with our early 1st round pick. :)
It has nothing to do with the NBA not wanting size, but wanting more athleticism. Bynum, Oden, and Howard have a lot more athelticism than Hibbert. That's why you're going to see guys like Visser, Gasol and Gray fall to the bottom half of the draft if not the second round. Hibbert is nice because he's a potential 2 way center, but I wouldn't call him a potential franchise player. I'd liken him to a less atheltic Andrew Bynum. The only ones I'd call potential franchise players in this draft are Oden, Durant, Wright, Horford, Jianlian, Collison, and Conley. Obviously this can change with players declaring or dropping out. I don't have a problem with Hibbert, but I do believe we're condemning ourselves to a half court offense, which isn't a big problem but it does limit our options. I think I'd just prefer Hawes to him, simply because he's more skilled, versatile and likely to stay in the game a lot longer than Hibbert. Hibbert's conditioning and stamina is going to be a problem, I don't see him being much more than a 30 mpg player in the NBA.