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Bonzi was fouled out!!!!
Cisco, Martin, Hart WERE ALL IN THE GAME.
Meant your choice was Bibby, who at least is a guard, or Kenny, who is not. Hindsight being 20/20, maybe its Kenny. But that is NOT an obvious choice when you are trying to guard a three pointer. His chances of getting through a pick up high are very low.
Ron, Bonzi, Hart, Cisco and Kevin were all already used up. We just ran out of perimeter defenders.
How can we even have a rational debate about this when it seems there si so much confusion on the basic facts?
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Bonzi was fouled out!!!!
Cisco, Martin, Hart WERE ALL IN THE GAME.
Meant your choice was Bibby, who at least is a guard, or Kenny, who is not. Hindsight being 20/20, maybe its Kenny. But that is NOT an obvious choice when you are trying to guard a three pointer. His chances of getting through a pick up high are very low.
Ron, Bonzi, Hart, Cisco and Kevin were all already used up. We just ran out of perimeter defenders.
How can we even have a rational debate about this when it seems there si so much confusion on the basic facts?
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Could've done that, but you are flat out asking for something approximating playoff death right there. How many PFs has Horry canned clucth threes on in his career? Then rather than Cisco, you have Thomas involved in that semi-pick and pop runaround thing Manu and Horry were running. One glimmer of daylight for Big Shot Bob and...we are still having this same discussion just with the names changed.
Coaching after the fact is easy. Also means you are never wrong and suffer no consequences.
Coaching after the fact is easy. Also means you are never wrong and suffer no consequences.
I think this is nit-picking. I would have picked Bibbby amongst that group of players. You need experienced ball handlers in the group. Bibby's assignment was not that difficult. He justed dropped the ball so to speak. Stuff happens. The game could have been won a dozen different ways earlier in the game. The bigger question is why they didn't the Kings foul someone?
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eh..........I know he said that, but I don't agree with that. He never likes to foul in those situations, that is just him. Sometimes it is the right move, but this time it obviously wasn't. The Spurs had been almost automatic from behind the arc, one of their shooters was sure to get free with Bibby on the floor. I still think he should have called for a foul. The King's are a top % freethrow team.
The only reason that before the last 20 seconds were actually played out RA would even consider using KT instead of Bibby is because Barry is a tall guard and KT is an undersized PF so there is some semblance of a matchup there. However, KT has never really guarded 3 point shooter that I know. While KT is nowhere near as bad a defender as Bibby is he has shown on a number of occasions that he is very, very error prone. So, when we combine those two features: close to zero 3pt defense experience + error prone of course it is logical to go with Bibbster even though he is by far our worst defender. Let's not even bring up Ronnie Price. Benching Bibby for a Mateen Cleaves Mark II for the last 20 seconds of the game of the year (or more precisely last 2 years) would probably harm RA-Bibby relationship (or worse) irrevocably. As a coach RA did not have that option (benching your leader for your towell-waiver).
So, we come back to Bibby. RA did not ask of him to shut down Parker or Ginobly for 48 minutes. He asked him to stay with his guy for 20 seconds. 20 ******* seconds. How that makes RA any less of a coach then RA who coached us into position to be 3pts up with 20 seconds to go over the reigning Champion and as is evident a formidable team is beyond me.
So, we come back to Bibby. RA did not ask of him to shut down Parker or Ginobly for 48 minutes. He asked him to stay with his guy for 20 seconds. 20 ******* seconds. How that makes RA any less of a coach then RA who coached us into position to be 3pts up with 20 seconds to go over the reigning Champion and as is evident a formidable team is beyond me.
Actually, he said if it was 5-6 seconds or so max, then fouling makes sense. I agree. There was too much time on the clock. Saying it obviously wasn't is not right. Most agree that they would have done the same thing as Rick - pack the 3-pt shooters with defenders and take a chance on a wild 3 or maybe give up 2. Either way chews up clock, which is your best friend here, and doesn't give them a chance to score with the clock stopped.
Also - we have not been a good FT shooting team the past few weeks (at least not like we were earlier in the season).
Also - we have not been a good FT shooting team the past few weeks (at least not like we were earlier in the season).
Wow. On the radio Grant issaying that he rewatched a tape of the huddle with Adelman talking about the defensive assignments and Mike seemed disinterested. He even said he was looking in a different direction when Adelman was talking. Guess he could've been listening but just appearing to not care. Geez.
Although more than that, since Kenny struggled too, Ron is not a good FT shooter, and Kevin has not been as good second half of the season. We are still better than the Spurs. But foulign so early just gives you every chance to lose the FT battle and pout yourself in position to get beat.
You're up 3 with 14 seconds to go, you are in PERFECT position. The best the other team can do is tie, and all you need to do is guard the 3pt line. That's play it out time, give up the layup[ if oyu have to, but guard the shooters. As mentioend a few times before, the ONLY guy who actually followed directions there was Cisco. Although I guess you could at least say that Hart may have gotten beat (which set the whole play up) because he wanted to crowd Manu and take away the long bomb.
You're up 3 with 14 seconds to go, you are in PERFECT position. The best the other team can do is tie, and all you need to do is guard the 3pt line. That's play it out time, give up the layup[ if oyu have to, but guard the shooters. As mentioend a few times before, the ONLY guy who actually followed directions there was Cisco. Although I guess you could at least say that Hart may have gotten beat (which set the whole play up) because he wanted to crowd Manu and take away the long bomb.
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Oh good. Grant Napear - he who also accused Bobby Jackson of dogging it - is now trying to create MORE controversy and point another slimey finger of guilt at Mike?
EARTH to GRANT: It's over. It's been discussed for two bleeping days. You, as usual, are a little late to the party and you didn't even bring some hors d'ouevres.
Grant wants to get some calls so he can pick and choose and call people names.
I am thinking seriously about taping a game broadcast so I can go back specifically after the fact and point out ALL the errors Grant Napear makes. And then I'll assess his body language, tone, etc. and impart my own interpretation.
EARTH to GRANT: It's over. It's been discussed for two bleeping days. You, as usual, are a little late to the party and you didn't even bring some hors d'ouevres.
Grant wants to get some calls so he can pick and choose and call people names.
I am thinking seriously about taping a game broadcast so I can go back specifically after the fact and point out ALL the errors Grant Napear makes. And then I'll assess his body language, tone, etc. and impart my own interpretation.
I see what you're saying, but appearantly a caller asked him to watch the news 10 tape because the caller noticed this. Today, Grant said he watched the tape (because he hadn't noticed anything during that timeout himself) and the caller was correct. He also said that you can't hear what a picture shows, so Mike could've been listening to Adelman, but appeared distracted and not paying attention.
Anyway, it's done, but I thought I'd let people know what's being said locally on the radio for those who don't get sportline 1140.
Anyway, it's done, but I thought I'd let people know what's being said locally on the radio for those who don't get sportline 1140.
There are a lot of legitimate gripes when it comes to Mike's game. Defense, rushed shots, etc.
However, I will never understand the occasional suggestion that Mike would ever "not care" about a game in progress. Especially a playoff game. It would take a lot, A LOT -- we're talking something on par with showing up drunk at game time -- to undo the competitive spirit that Mike's already shown us over the years.
However, I will never understand the occasional suggestion that Mike would ever "not care" about a game in progress. Especially a playoff game. It would take a lot, A LOT -- we're talking something on par with showing up drunk at game time -- to undo the competitive spirit that Mike's already shown us over the years.
But that's the SMART thing... Perhaps he needed to force away from baseline, but make them go for 2... Remember they have NO timeouts. Even if they get the 2, with let's say... 10 seconds left... They have NO timeouts left. Now (if you hit the free throws) they have to come down with 9 seconds left, full court, and MUST go for 3... Don't allow the three PLAIN AND SIMPLE... If that means getting beat off the dribble, then so be it...
Yeah, Mike is not the type to "not care" about a game... He definitely didn't seem to have his head in the game though... It seems that Mike is not one of those guys to scream and cuss and get all pissed when he's playing bad. He keeps very quiet, almost expressionless... Some people may take it for disinterest, or lack of effort. I don't, I know he's a warrior. He messed up BADLY in game 2, and if Bowen is guarding him (like Latrell did with the T-Wolves) like I've mentioned so many times before, he will continue to struggle...
I should have been more specific when I said not care. He seemed not to care about what Adelman was instructing the team to do. I'm sure he cared about the game, but he just seemed in his own space when Rick was calling the defensive scheme for that last play. I know Mike's competitive and loves to win, but sometimes he does seem to be in a world of his own.
I actually think that fits the personality that Bibby projects. He doesn't seem as interested in these games as a typical fan would be. He looks forward to making the big play, and obviously likes to compete, but I think he really needs a chip on his shoulder or a strong leader to motivate him to give it everything he has.
While you'd like to have warriors who bleed orange leather fill up your team, I'm not particularly devastated by that attitude. Many guys in the league (and on the Kings) are similar. It can, however, manifest itself as lapses in defensive and hustle situations.
While you'd like to have warriors who bleed orange leather fill up your team, I'm not particularly devastated by that attitude. Many guys in the league (and on the Kings) are similar. It can, however, manifest itself as lapses in defensive and hustle situations.
I love how some many people know that this is a good free throw shooting team... and the purs are a bad one. And Its good to know alot of us knew fouling around 7-8 seconds was the right call. Sucks that Adleman didnt... but sicne he doenst even like to play like that... be ready to loose on a play like this again
Personally, I think Grant is an a** a lot of the time. I remind myself that his job is to create tempests in a teapot to stir people up.
Do you really not know anyone who stares into the distance while listening intently? I've known plenty. From grade school on, I've always doodled while listening and taking notes. People watching that could easily assume I'm not listening or disinterested or don't care. They would be absolutely and totally wrong. I'm usually one of the most engaged.
Geez, people are really getting ridiculous. Bibby made a really bad mistake. He knows he made a really bad mistake. He's accepted total and complete blame for making a bad mistake. Or are you waiting for Bibby to self-immolate?
Do you really not know anyone who stares into the distance while listening intently? I've known plenty. From grade school on, I've always doodled while listening and taking notes. People watching that could easily assume I'm not listening or disinterested or don't care. They would be absolutely and totally wrong. I'm usually one of the most engaged.
Geez, people are really getting ridiculous. Bibby made a really bad mistake. He knows he made a really bad mistake. He's accepted total and complete blame for making a bad mistake. Or are you waiting for Bibby to self-immolate?
No... they let some clock run out... and then foul. They re forced to make clutch free throws... then we have to imbound and cut a secodn off there... then since the have no time outs.... after we hit freethrows they have to run the court with like 6 seconds left... its enough time to get it off... but its not going to be as good as what htey got...
Its a debatable decisions. I would jsut go with the foul.
Its a debatable decisions. I would jsut go with the foul.
Gigantic assumption and risk depending on who goes to the line for us. Not only that but if they make theirs and we do miss, then they have a chance to hit a winning instead of just tying shot in regulation. I'd rather try and not let them hit the three. If there was less time on the clock, maybe you go with the foul, but not all coaches agree with that even.
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