Rick's good at failing...

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Bibby_10

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fuzzy said:
I thought the game was lookin' good - we foul and go home. Then I forgot - Rick is still the coach.
Make sure you have Bibby watching (not guarding) the 3 line. Rick is very consistant - no D / never had D and never will.
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I’m not a huge RA fan but I seriously don’t see how we can blame him for the loss.
What part of “Stay with the shooters” didn’t Bibby understand? He told them what to do and they didn’t do it. This isn’t pre-school, nobody is going to hold their hands. This is the playoffs against the champs. Play like you mean it.
 
fuzzy

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If Rick would have benched him a few times during the season, it might be different now. If you tell one of your kids to do something and they don't, do you just say Oh well....

They don't listen to Rick because he never (almost never - he finally wacked Brad a little) does anything about it. We used to just score so many points that it was OK (sort of).

They are on the right track with Ron and Bonzi (this Ron and a signed Bonzi) They can win with D, but Rick is not that kind of coach. Throwing Rick out won't fix things, but it is a start.
 
Jerryaki

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Bricklayer said:
Again, the options were limited.

All of our little guys were either in the game, or disqualified.

Basically it came down to Bibby or KT. And that is NOT an obvious choice when you are talking about guarding a last second three pointer.
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couldn't we have put reef on barry (length, can play the 3), and KT on duncan? if KT fouls duncan, that's exactly who you want on the line out of their group.

Rain man said:
Newsflash: Fouling was not the correct call. Maybe you foul if there are 4-5 seconds left (although most great coaches are split 50-50 on this), but not with 14. With 14 seconds all you need is a stop- all the pressure is on them and if you get one stop you win. if you foul with 14 seconds left, you are putting all the pressure back on yourself to go hit free throws on the other end. That is STUPID.
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all you need is a stop? this is the kings versus the spurs. the pressure is ALWAYS on the kings. but, if you fouled, say, duncan, THEN the pressure is on them to make the free throws. it is far from stupid; you're assuming they'll make the free throws, when ginobli missed 1 of 2 a possession earlier.
 
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Jerryaki said:
all you need is a stop? this is the kings versus the spurs. the pressure is ALWAYS on the kings. but, if you fouled, say, duncan, THEN the pressure is on them to make the free throws. it is far from stupid; you're assuming they'll make the free throws, when ginobli missed 1 of 2 a possession earlier.
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and then you shoot on the other end where Bonzi just missed 1 of 2...
 
SacKings4Life21

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U can blame alot of things on differnt situations... but Rick is the biggest looser. The smart move was to foul when ginobli was driving... there would have been like 9 seconds left and would have been perfect for the kings... they make thier free throws and run out the clock. Bibby should have never been in the game... KT would have been much better, even though i dont like him... whatever... kings choke all the time, guess we have to get used to it.
 
Bibby_10

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SacKings4Life21 said:
U can blame alot of things on differnt situations... but Rick is the biggest looser. The smart move was to foul when ginobli was driving... there would have been like 9 seconds left and would have been perfect for the kings... they make thier free throws and run out the clock. Bibby should have never been in the game... KT would have been much better, even though i dont like him... whatever... kings choke all the time, guess we have to get used to it.
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From what I understood Rick said somthing like "Stay with the shooters and foul when there is about 8 seconds left". He gave specific directions on what to do. You cant fault him for the players mistakes.
 
SacKings4Life21

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Bibby_10 said:
From what I understood Rick said somthing like "Stay with the shooters and foul when there is about 8 seconds left". He gave specific directions on what to do. You cant fault him for the players mistakes.
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Well I am glad that this has come out then...

If that is the case, than Rick is not a fool... just the personel. This makes me feel alot better actually because i was tired of thinking our coach is a moron. Now mike has just official made the starting job for the all nba defenive sucking team
 
Bibby_10

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SacKings4Life21 said:
Now mike has just official made the starting job for the all nba defenive sucking team
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Dude where have you been? Mike has been the leader of that group for a while now. Brad is his sidekick.
 
Ryle

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Bibby_10 said:
From what I understood Rick said somthing like "Stay with the shooters and foul when there is about 8 seconds left". He gave specific directions on what to do. You cant fault him for the players mistakes.
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It's not the fact that he tells them the wrong things to do. It's the fact that they just don't listen to him and Bibby is guilty of this more than anyone. I sit right above the Kings bench and every time they are in a huddle Bibby sits on the edge of the scorer's table and is more often than not looking the other way. He will then go in, get that ball, and heave up a shot.
 
SacKings4Life21

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Bibby_10 said:
Dude where have you been? Mike has been the leader of that group for a while now. Brad is his sidekick.
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Ah i know i kno, i just felt like saying it again... some people would have considered nash or parker very poor defenders... but now we see mike is definatly worse...

My bud always tells me that miek was interviewed on his D once and he said somehting liek this... "noone can guard anyone in the nba... everyone is so good."

Does anyone rememeber that? an can back that up? i hope its not true
 
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Bibby_10 said:
Dude where have you been? Mike has been the leader of that group for a while now. Brad is his sidekick.
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Hahahah your making me laugh my butt off. Artest is cleary the leader. No Artest = Kings in lottery. Artest has actually motivated Bibby to attempt to play defense. Same thing for Brad. Without Artest this team is nothing more then a group of softies.

Plus if Mr. Bibby and Miller are truely then where have they been this whole time in the playoffs?
 
uolj

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Rome said:
Hahahah your making me laugh my butt off. Artest is cleary the leader. No Artest = Kings in lottery. Artest has actually motivated Bibby to attempt to play defense. Same thing for Brad. Without Artest this team is nothing more then a group of softies.

Plus if Mr. Bibby and Miller are truely then where have they been this whole time in the playoffs?
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Re-read that post. They were referring to Bibby being the leader of the "all nba defenive sucking team". Artest would clearly not be the leader of such an organization.
 
KingsFan54

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Rome said:
wow you find that funny. Obviously you didn't watch the game. I'm also wondering if you even seen Bibby's defense this whole season. IF a coach was smart he would put his best defenders in that kind of a situation.

After looking at your sig i guess you've been tuned out for a couple of years...
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coach was smart, he would foul in that situation. I just don't understand some of the things he does.
 
bozzwell

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Bricklayer said:
Again, the options were limited.

All of our little guys were either in the game, or disqualified.

Basically it came down to Bibby or KT. And that is NOT an obvious choice when you are talking about guarding a last second three pointer.
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Correction: It WAS NOT an obvious choice, but IT IS now. ;)
 
Kev.in

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Adelman could've done things differently, but teams are in that situation ALL THE TIME. Up 3, defending off the inbounds with less than 24 seconds to play and the one thing you have to do is make them use the clock and have to take a 2. The Kings, specifically Mike Bibby, failed in the situation. With the game on the line, you've got to have Bibby out there. You've got to have the starting point guard on the floor to get him the ball in the case the Spurs get a quick two, or miss and you rebound it. If he can't stay with a guy trying to spot up on the weak side, then I guess it's a problem to deal with in the offseason.
 
DocHolliday

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Rome said:


Coach Adelman running a defensive play for Bibby while Bibby stares at a different direction
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It was a nice interview with Rick on Sports line today. He did not call for a foul by the way for whoever asked that. Bibby messed up, but he should have never been on the floor. That I put on Adelmans shoulders. Bibby had no business being on the floor

I love that Grant never asked him why Bibby was in the lineup either. He only asked about what he told the team to do, and how did Bibby fall asleep like that. Not, "Hey coach, can I ask why Bibby was on the floor in the first place, in a situation when you needed a defensive stop, and that's ALL you needed.
 
uolj

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DocHolliday said:
I love that Grant never asked him why Bibby was in the lineup either. He only asked about what he told the team to do, and how did Bibby fall asleep like that. Not, "Hey coach, can I ask why Bibby was on the floor in the first place, in a situation when you needed a defensive stop, and that's ALL you needed.
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Perhaps because the answer was obvious?
Rain man said:
Newsflash-3: Bibby had to be on the floor whether you like it or not. Wells HAD fouled out. We had only played 8 men (counting Garcia's 4 minutes). They put Duncan and four perimeter players on the floor- we had to counter that. Martin had Manu, Hart had Parker, I think Garcia was on Horry, and Reef on Duncan. So the question becomes, who do you want on Barry? Miller who is slow as a glacier, Thomas who has not guarded a perimeter player ALL season and is not familiar runnign off screens, Ronnie Price who hasn't played all game, or Bibby. Bibby might not be a good defender but he was our best bet.
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Jerryaki

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Rain man said:
and then you shoot on the other end where Bonzi just missed 1 of 2...
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i'm happy taking my chances with reef, bibby, kevin, hart, or reef making pressure free throws; bonzi was already out.

agree to disagree. the "great" coaches are 50/50 on this, as i guess we are.
 
thenbakings

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I think in that situation , Bibby should not have been on the floor. Put your best defenders in although the Kings are notorious for not guarding the 3 point line in this situation or for the season at all.
 
bozzwell

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DocHolliday said:
It was a nice interview with Rick on Sports line today. He did not call for a foul by the way for whoever asked that. Bibby messed up, but he should have never been on the floor. That I put on Adelmans shoulders. Bibby had no business being on the floor

I love that Grant never asked him why Bibby was in the lineup either. He only asked about what he told the team to do, and how did Bibby fall asleep like that. Not, "Hey coach, can I ask why Bibby was on the floor in the first place, in a situation when you needed a defensive stop, and that's ALL you needed.
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Come on Doc, when you and I put it on Adelman for keeping Bibby out there that is Monday Morning QB stuff. Can we really blame Adelman for Bibby's abject failure in playing minimum defence for 20 seconds? All he had to do is to use his relative (to KT) mobility to stay with his man and maybe Barry would never get the ball and someone else (or Barry for that matter) would have more difficult shot?

Granted, now that we know what we know of course KT would have done better job, but asking your team leader and a veteran to shadow a guy for 20 seconds even though you know he doesn't do D is not that unreasonable. It's Bibby who left the most unathletic and the worst player among the Spurs wide open to do the only thing that he does well - shoot. This one's on Bibbster, RA is just a tragic figure who was robbed of his greatest single-game coaching achievement by one of his most trusted players who decided to have a brain-cramp and a total collaps (figuratively and literally) at the worst time.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

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thenbakings said:
I think in that situation , Bibby should not have been on the floor. Put your best defenders in although the Kings are notorious for not guarding the 3 point line in this situation or for the season at all.
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Our best defenders were *already* on the floor, except for Artest, who wasn't in the gym, and Wells, whom had been disqualified. Bibby was the best-available player out of our crappy defenders.
 
kennadog

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Well Flip Saunders was great at failing for quite a while and he had KG. Now if he wins the championship with the Pistons, over night he becomes a genius coach and non-failure. :eek: (And it will have nothing to do with having different personnel this year, of course.) One coach wins each year. And they almost always have had better talent than the Kings have right now. Yeah, Rick's just good at failing. :rolleyes:
 
SkinnerBox

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I love how if someone doesn't win a championship they SUCK. Lets forget the fact that we have not missed the playoffs in 8 years with the only common thread being our coach (and GM). Lets forget that as a coach he has only missed the playoffs twice. Rick hasn't gotten us the hardware, so he SUCKS. Just like Chris Webber SUCKED. Why don't we trade Adelman for Mo Cheeks.

I love him, but this loss is on Bibby. You don't got 1-13 in a playoff game when the rest of your team is competing. I'll put some of it on Miller too. An average game from either of them and we win, Rick looking like a genius for beating the world champions in their house.
 
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kennadog

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SkinnerBox said:
I love how if someone doesn't win a championship they SUCK. Lets forget the fact that we have not missed the playoffs in 8 years with the only common thread being our coach (and GM). Lets forget that as a coach he has only missed the playoffs twice. Rick hasn't gotten us the hardware, so he SUCKS. Just like Chris Webber SUCKED. Why don't we trade Adelman for Mo Cheeks.

I love him, but this loss is on Bibby. You don't got 1-13 in a playoff game when the rest of your team is competing. I'll put some of it on Miller too. An average game from either of them and we win, Rick looking like a genius for beating the world champions in their house.
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Didn't you know that if you're a really good coach, its easy. The personnel you have, injuries, suspensions, bad referees, players making mistakes, lack of bench depth, mid-season roster changes, players unhappy with their role or minutes....what's the problem? And coaching one of only 3 teams to make the playoffs the last 8 years running = failure. Its all so clear to me now. ;)
 
K

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rick did a great job in getting the team to respond after the awful effort in game 1, however, that doesn't justify his mistake of leaving one of the worst defenders in the game during the last seconds when the opposing team has the ball. in bibby's defense, it looked like duncan fouled him so that he couldn't get to berry on time...but they're not going to call a foul off the ball against a mr. fundamental.
 
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