Rick's good at failing...
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Why is it that his team most of the time doesn't respond in crunch time in important playoff games?
In that last play, either the players played it just the way he had drawn during the timeout, which is very unlikely unless you have a zero basketball IQ, or they did exactly the opposite of what he told them and didn't respond to their coach. In either case, Adelman will never win an NBA title even if he coaches the dream team.
In that last play, either the players played it just the way he had drawn during the timeout, which is very unlikely unless you have a zero basketball IQ, or they did exactly the opposite of what he told them and didn't respond to their coach. In either case, Adelman will never win an NBA title even if he coaches the dream team.
In his postgame interview, RA said he told the players to hug the three point shooters and foul under 8 seconds. Martin and Bibby didn't listen to him, and Bibby acknowledged him saying that and Bibby took responsibility for the loss. I don't blame him, but it shows leadership. The Kings were one made free throw or one made shot of winning, and the Spurs were one missed shot away from losing. It happens, especially to the Kings.
Come on people... Blaming Rick is not called for in this case. The only reason we were even in the damn ballgame was because of Rick. He took a team playing on the road, at the defending champs, that had lost the last game by 34 points, that was mising its team leader, that had its two best offensive players just not even show up, a team that played seven men (one of them Jason Hart), and somehow devised a game plan that had us up 3 with 14 seconds left. And you want to blame him?!?!?!?!
Newsflash: Fouling was not the correct call. Maybe you foul if there are 4-5 seconds left (although most great coaches are split 50-50 on this), but not with 14. With 14 seconds all you need is a stop- all the pressure is on them and if you get one stop you win. if you foul with 14 seconds left, you are putting all the pressure back on yourself to go hit free throws on the other end. That is STUPID.
Newsflash-2: Adelman did not leave Barry on the perimeter, Bibby did. Adelman said in his press conference that his last words were not to leave a shooter. He said it, it didn't happen. In the heat of the moment players lose focus on what they need to do (Webber and Sheed both left Horry when they shouldn't have).
Newsflash-3: Bibby had to be on the floor whether you like it or not. Wells HAD fouled out. We had only played 8 men (counting Garcia's 4 minutes). They put Duncan and four perimeter players on the floor- we had to counter that. Martin had Manu, Hart had Parker, I think Garcia was on Horry, and Reef on Duncan. So the question becomes, who do you want on Barry? Miller who is slow as a glacier, Thomas who has not guarded a perimeter player ALL season and is not familiar runnign off screens, Ronnie Price who hasn't played all game, or Bibby. Bibby might not be a good defender but he was our best bet.
This started out with one person blaming Adelman and everyone else applauding the effort. However, most of you are as bad as Aileen Voison. You see someone argue he should have fouled (when he shouldn't have) and used it as a chance to rip Adelman after one of his best coaching jobs as a King. Get a grip....
Newsflash: Fouling was not the correct call. Maybe you foul if there are 4-5 seconds left (although most great coaches are split 50-50 on this), but not with 14. With 14 seconds all you need is a stop- all the pressure is on them and if you get one stop you win. if you foul with 14 seconds left, you are putting all the pressure back on yourself to go hit free throws on the other end. That is STUPID.
Newsflash-2: Adelman did not leave Barry on the perimeter, Bibby did. Adelman said in his press conference that his last words were not to leave a shooter. He said it, it didn't happen. In the heat of the moment players lose focus on what they need to do (Webber and Sheed both left Horry when they shouldn't have).
Newsflash-3: Bibby had to be on the floor whether you like it or not. Wells HAD fouled out. We had only played 8 men (counting Garcia's 4 minutes). They put Duncan and four perimeter players on the floor- we had to counter that. Martin had Manu, Hart had Parker, I think Garcia was on Horry, and Reef on Duncan. So the question becomes, who do you want on Barry? Miller who is slow as a glacier, Thomas who has not guarded a perimeter player ALL season and is not familiar runnign off screens, Ronnie Price who hasn't played all game, or Bibby. Bibby might not be a good defender but he was our best bet.
This started out with one person blaming Adelman and everyone else applauding the effort. However, most of you are as bad as Aileen Voison. You see someone argue he should have fouled (when he shouldn't have) and used it as a chance to rip Adelman after one of his best coaching jobs as a King. Get a grip....
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Lineup at the time was Hart (he was the guy Manu beat off the dribble setting up the play) Bibby, Cisco (on Horry) Martin (left Parker wide open) and Reef.
I questioned Bibby being out there, but after thinking it over, maybe not so much now. With Ron out, Bonzi gone, and Hart, Kevin and Cisco all in the game...we were pretty much out of little guys used to guarding the three point line, and so Bibby was in not so much out of stupidity as out of lack of options.
Basically our three options were:
1) Bibby, sucks as a defender, but you would think would be able to guard the three point line for ONE play -- his problem is quickness and penetration more than jumpshooting.
2) Thomas, could have gone this way, but he's another PF type, and it was a three point game. You want guys who can stick with people on the perimeter at that point.
3) Price, which is a move maybe made in computer basketball, but reaching down to your rookie 12th man who hasn't played all night to get a stop on the final play of regulation...let's just say could easily have gone bad, and then we would have all been saying how idiotic THAT move was.
So looking at the lineup, I think Mike was likely out there for lack of options as much as anything else. If Bonzi had not fouled out...that 6th foul on Bonzi may have doubly killed us. Both on the last play as well as in OT.
I questioned Bibby being out there, but after thinking it over, maybe not so much now. With Ron out, Bonzi gone, and Hart, Kevin and Cisco all in the game...we were pretty much out of little guys used to guarding the three point line, and so Bibby was in not so much out of stupidity as out of lack of options.
Basically our three options were:
1) Bibby, sucks as a defender, but you would think would be able to guard the three point line for ONE play -- his problem is quickness and penetration more than jumpshooting.
2) Thomas, could have gone this way, but he's another PF type, and it was a three point game. You want guys who can stick with people on the perimeter at that point.
3) Price, which is a move maybe made in computer basketball, but reaching down to your rookie 12th man who hasn't played all night to get a stop on the final play of regulation...let's just say could easily have gone bad, and then we would have all been saying how idiotic THAT move was.
So looking at the lineup, I think Mike was likely out there for lack of options as much as anything else. If Bonzi had not fouled out...that 6th foul on Bonzi may have doubly killed us. Both on the last play as well as in OT.
Which raises the second point -- the fouling.
At the 8 second mark this play was already very much in motion. Manu had the ball and was right at the hoop against Jason, and then kicked it to Barry for the three at the 6 second mark. Obviously nobody stuck with Barry, so he couldn't be fouled. Meaning the only guy who had an opportunity to foul in those final seconds was Hart on Manu, right at the hoop. Which could VERY easily turn into a three point play if Manu just uses his size advanatage and flips up the layup.
At the 8 second mark this play was already very much in motion. Manu had the ball and was right at the hoop against Jason, and then kicked it to Barry for the three at the 6 second mark. Obviously nobody stuck with Barry, so he couldn't be fouled. Meaning the only guy who had an opportunity to foul in those final seconds was Hart on Manu, right at the hoop. Which could VERY easily turn into a three point play if Manu just uses his size advanatage and flips up the layup.
Ron didn't go Ron. I saw the pacers digets people saying well it was bound to happe. SEE WE TOLD YOU. Ron didn't do anything. Stuff like that happens in every game. And, oh by the way Ginboli had incidental contact above the shoulders to and wasn't suspended. Why, because it was a mistake as was Ron's. Ron just got jobbed, because he's Ron Artest.
I am not saying ALL the credit. A coach should never take ALL the credit or ALL the blame. He is one piece of the team. The players certainly get credit for putting the team in that position, and Rick should get credit as well. And I don't think Rick did anything wrong on the last play...
If you look at other posts I have made, I am NOT a blind Rick supporter, I call him out when I think deserved. I called him out after Game 1 for not having the team ready to play.
I think Rick is a tremendous coach, but don't pretend that I am willing to blindly give him all the credit and never assign any blame to him. I think last night he was incredible, and in Game 1 he was less so. I just don't think he should be scape-goated for last night.
If you look at other posts I have made, I am NOT a blind Rick supporter, I call him out when I think deserved. I called him out after Game 1 for not having the team ready to play.
I think Rick is a tremendous coach, but don't pretend that I am willing to blindly give him all the credit and never assign any blame to him. I think last night he was incredible, and in Game 1 he was less so. I just don't think he should be scape-goated for last night.
LOLOLOLOL!!! it shows leadership??? LEADERSHIP IS LEADING YOUR DAMN TEAM TO A FREAKIN VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he better own up to his mistakes. thats the LEAST he can do after fumbling through that game. it should've been over in regulation. LOL NO WAY IN HELL IS IT LEADERSHIP TO ADMIT TO YOUR FREAKIN MISTAKE THAT COSTED THE DAMN GAME. i'm furious that we lost. it could've been avoided by 1) hitting some free throws, 2) fouling them so they don't get the damn opportunity to hit the three 3) staying with your man!!
didn't horry do the same crap to the kings a few years ago??? i think webb decided not to stay w/ his man and the ball bounced to his feet. lol, kings curse that they can't stay w/ their man in crunchtime.
didn't horry do the same crap to the kings a few years ago??? i think webb decided not to stay w/ his man and the ball bounced to his feet. lol, kings curse that they can't stay w/ their man in crunchtime.
well like i said last night. whatever adelman's personnel, games are always given away. how about game 2 in minny when we should've gone back to arco up 2-0, or game 4 against dallas in '03 when we lost in ot on our home floor after leading the whole game, or game 4 in '02 with horry's shot, not to mention countless games in the regular season when were fighting for position. with all that said, you can argue that none of that is ricks fault. it's just the trend while he's coach and we have different players. maybe it's just coincidence or really bad luck. but i think if we're going to single anyone out it should be bibby. it's bibby's fault on the last play, and he might of had the worst playoff game of his career last night. i hope that barry three was replaying in mike's head all night like it was in mine.
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