Rick's good at failing...
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So you have Kevin, SAR, Hart, Cisco and Bibby in. No Ron and Bonzi's fouled out. Here's your choices to guard the perimeter, if not Bibby: Potapenko, Miller, Corliss, Kenny, Price or Sampson. Some folks have said KT, but he's a pretty lousy perimeter defender. So who would you put in? Bibby screwed up, but you watch that damn play and Cisco is the one King who never left the guy he was defending. (The small blessing I was granted is that Cisco kept Ho**y from getting the shot.)
Exactly.
Kenny Thomas had pretty much done nothing but leave Horry unguarded already, so no way Adelman would put him in over Bibby. And you don't bring someone in who hasn't even stepped on the court all night at that point in the game.
Had Bibby not gone to the floor (whether on a foul/touch by Duncan or a invisible hit by a comet), Barry wouldn't have been wide open. Would Bibby have blocked the shot? Don't know but he certainly might have had a better opportunity...
Kenny Thomas had pretty much done nothing but leave Horry unguarded already, so no way Adelman would put him in over Bibby. And you don't bring someone in who hasn't even stepped on the court all night at that point in the game.
Had Bibby not gone to the floor (whether on a foul/touch by Duncan or a invisible hit by a comet), Barry wouldn't have been wide open. Would Bibby have blocked the shot? Don't know but he certainly might have had a better opportunity...
Well, I think Bibby didn't stay with Barry like he should have. Hart got burned by Ginobili, Kevin left Parker (I think it was) out beyond the 3. But I also couldn't figure out why, after he let Duncan get away from him, SAR didn't move one toe to run at Barry. He couldn't have prevented the shot, but I'd have to think that running at the shooter with arms up is better than spectating.
Anyway, at this point I'm sorry for how it ended, but I'm still extremely proud of how our team fought back in this game. Seems like no one here wants to acknowledge that (for now
) we are playing a much better team.
Anyway, at this point I'm sorry for how it ended, but I'm still extremely proud of how our team fought back in this game. Seems like no one here wants to acknowledge that (for now
) we are playing a much better team.
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Wow, that just sent chills down my spine. I guess you're right - the small victory here is: at least it wasn't Bob.
Straight from ESPN's Hot/not article... my point proven... game set match
NOT: Rick Adelman. Ho hum. Another year, another Kings' playoff disappointment. Adelman will take some heat for not fouling with his team up by three in the final seconds, but that was probably the right call given how much time still remained. Instead, what got my attention were two other moves that have received little comment in the press thus far. First, he had Bibby on the floor for the Spurs' game-tying play, even though Bibby was worthless on defense the entire night (and season, for that matter). Wouldn't Francisco Garcia have been a more logical play there?
NOT: Rick Adelman. Ho hum. Another year, another Kings' playoff disappointment. Adelman will take some heat for not fouling with his team up by three in the final seconds, but that was probably the right call given how much time still remained. Instead, what got my attention were two other moves that have received little comment in the press thus far. First, he had Bibby on the floor for the Spurs' game-tying play, even though Bibby was worthless on defense the entire night (and season, for that matter). Wouldn't Francisco Garcia have been a more logical play there?
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Hmm.. Francisco Garcia was out there doing a good job of smothering the most dangerous three-point shooter on the floor, Robert Horry. Shows me how much attention this guy was paying to the game. Wouldn't choosing someone with a normally functioning brain and a pair of eyes to write a column been a more logical choice?
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The trouble with making smug, self-serving comments is you sometimes have to take them back when slapped in the face with cold, hard logic and facts.
1. Cisco was on the court.
2. They quit going to Kenny after he made two key turnovers, most likely as a result of his wrist injury.
So, do you like your crow sauteed or baked?
1. Cisco was on the court.
2. They quit going to Kenny after he made two key turnovers, most likely as a result of his wrist injury.
So, do you like your crow sauteed or baked?
I think a better point is why wasn't Thomas on the floor guarding Horry and Cisco over guarding Barry in that sequence?? Anyone notice how a real coach like Pop was shuttling in players left and right going offense to defense?? For the life of me I can't understand why, when you need a stop to win the game, you would have Bibby out on the court or even remotely close to the court. When the game get's tight Rick is at his worst. Good regular season coach but when the games matter he fails.
Even if Kenny couldn't move his wrist?
As I just posted in another thread, this is just silly. Some people are really taking this "blame Bibby" or "blem Aelamn" thing to an absurd level. But that's what message boards are for, I guess. Not everything can be good, insightful discussion. Sometimes people have to vent...
Peace.
As I just posted in another thread, this is just silly. Some people are really taking this "blame Bibby" or "blem Aelamn" thing to an absurd level. But that's what message boards are for, I guess. Not everything can be good, insightful discussion. Sometimes people have to vent...
Peace.
I'm confused. So you agree with the writer that not fouling was the right option, correct? I happen to think there was too much time left to foul right away.
Kevin was on Parker, where he's done a good job most of the night. Put Bibby on Parker, he's available to penetrate and kick out same as Ginobili. Their penetrating ability made them dangerous, not their 3-point shooting. That's why Horry and Barry were out there. And Kenny had done a pretty terrible job guarding the perimeter in the game.
I feel bad for Garcia, writers, radio talk people, some people on this board all wondering why Rick didn't put Garcia in. Here he did a great job on Horry and no one noticed he was even out there. Poor guy's invisible.
Kevin was on Parker, where he's done a good job most of the night. Put Bibby on Parker, he's available to penetrate and kick out same as Ginobili. Their penetrating ability made them dangerous, not their 3-point shooting. That's why Horry and Barry were out there. And Kenny had done a pretty terrible job guarding the perimeter in the game.
I feel bad for Garcia, writers, radio talk people, some people on this board all wondering why Rick didn't put Garcia in. Here he did a great job on Horry and no one noticed he was even out there. Poor guy's invisible.
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Mike wasn't supposed to block a Barry shot, he was supposed to be there to prevent the pass in the first place. You guys act like Mike on Barry would be worthless - preventing the pass prevents the shot. All he has to do is stand in the way.
I have no problem with Mike being out there, as he's one of the best FT shooters on the team and has been very clutch for us and that's important in the end of a game (see Hack-a-Shaq). He blew his assignment and we lost the game, but don't act like he was there to block the shot so his presence was a stupid call on Rick's part. That is not the case.
I have no problem with Mike being out there, as he's one of the best FT shooters on the team and has been very clutch for us and that's important in the end of a game (see Hack-a-Shaq). He blew his assignment and we lost the game, but don't act like he was there to block the shot so his presence was a stupid call on Rick's part. That is not the case.
All the "youngins" were in except Ronnie Price (the 12th man), who had not played a second all game.
We have 7 "littles", 2 were gone (Bonzi, Ron), 3 were in the game for that play (Hart, Kevin, Cisco), that left only Mike and Ronnie Price -- an undrafted rookie 12th man who played maybe 200 minutes all season -- to choose from.
We have 7 "littles", 2 were gone (Bonzi, Ron), 3 were in the game for that play (Hart, Kevin, Cisco), that left only Mike and Ronnie Price -- an undrafted rookie 12th man who played maybe 200 minutes all season -- to choose from.
Better read it again...
NOT: Rick Adelman. Ho hum. Another year, another Kings' playoff disappointment. Adelman will take some heat for not fouling with his team up by three in the final seconds, but that was probably the right call given how much time still remained. Instead, what got my attention were two other moves that have received little comment in the press thus far. First, he had Bibby on the floor for the Spurs' game-tying play, even though Bibby was worthless on defense the entire night (and season, for that matter). Wouldn't Francisco Garcia have been a more logical play there?
NOT: Rick Adelman. Ho hum. Another year, another Kings' playoff disappointment. Adelman will take some heat for not fouling with his team up by three in the final seconds, but that was probably the right call given how much time still remained. Instead, what got my attention were two other moves that have received little comment in the press thus far. First, he had Bibby on the floor for the Spurs' game-tying play, even though Bibby was worthless on defense the entire night (and season, for that matter). Wouldn't Francisco Garcia have been a more logical play there?
With the number of times I've had to point this out to people over the last two days, I'm very seriously considering getting this tattooed on my forehead.
Happened to be listening to 1140 last night while driving around because I forgot to put the disc changer back in my car and heard Jim Kozimor, LaSalle Thompson and Henry Turner argue back and forth for at least ten minutes about whether or not Cisco should have been in the game during that possession. That I managed to avoid a car crash is astounding to me.
Happened to be listening to 1140 last night while driving around because I forgot to put the disc changer back in my car and heard Jim Kozimor, LaSalle Thompson and Henry Turner argue back and forth for at least ten minutes about whether or not Cisco should have been in the game during that possession. That I managed to avoid a car crash is astounding to me.
I can't believe this is still being argued about. How can ANYONE make a case for Mike Bibby to be on the floor during that defensive possession??
You had
hart
Martin
Bonzi
Garcia
Thomas
Abdur-Rahim
Now as I count that, there are six names there. None of them include Bibby. Choose the 5 guys you think will play the best suited for this particular defensive possession, and put them on the floor. END OF STORY. Anyone who can argue that Bibby should have been out there should go see a doctor something. I know he's a good free throw shooter, but we'll never get to the line if the stop isn't made, as was demonstrated.
You had
hart
Martin
Bonzi
Garcia
Thomas
Abdur-Rahim
Now as I count that, there are six names there. None of them include Bibby. Choose the 5 guys you think will play the best suited for this particular defensive possession, and put them on the floor. END OF STORY. Anyone who can argue that Bibby should have been out there should go see a doctor something. I know he's a good free throw shooter, but we'll never get to the line if the stop isn't made, as was demonstrated.
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