reke vs steph

[apollo916]

I watched the video on the rookie rankings page via nba.com
It seemed half of the guests agree steph is rookie of the year
What are your thoughts not just as kings fans but as basketball fans
Has steph really been playing that much better than reke since january?
Has reke been consistant enough this season that he locks it down?
Steph is close to 20-5-5 himself I don't think its too late for him to get it
I'm somewhat worried that steph mite contest by the last game
Reke has hit game winning shots, triple double but so has steph I'm sure
So as a basketball fan how close is this race in the voters eyes?

 

[Kings Faithful]

Tyreke is better than Curry right now. Period. The only reason this is even being discussed is because the rest of the league and all the media seem to hate the Kings, I swear.... thats what it feels like at least.

 

[Bricklayer]

Not hate, but that video you watched...I assume it was the one with the short fat guy and Craig Sager pimping Curry?

Wouldn't sweat short fat guy and Sager being fools.

 

[jockthisfoo]

no doubt tyreke hands down got ROY. steph been playing unbelievable basketball and im not gonna say anything bad about him. But tyreke's been the more explosive and all around point guard this season. Constantly getting 20+ points through out this season. And remember he's gonna be the 4th player to average 20 5 5....if he's able to do that, no one will take ROY from him....Only 3 rookie player to average 20.5.5...in my opinion tyreke already won this race

 

[apollo916]

There has been the feeling of hate because of all the controvery of the lakers/kings rivalry and this arena issue. Doug punching fox, kobe elbowing bibby too name a few. They just don't expect success rite away, but that's what life is about. Exceeding expectaions.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

We're already kind of discussing this (at least I am) in the Reke ROY thread, but to summarize what I had to say over there: Reke has consistently been better than than Curry for the entire season. The first few months he was lightyears better, and recently, only a little better (in terms of offensive production and stats). Tyreke's defense is ahead of Curry's by a country mile, though, and if you look at the way they impact the offensive side of the game, Tyreke is currently better and has significantly more room for improvement.

Look at it this way: They're both unfinished products, but Tyreke is significantly 'rougher around the edges' than Curry. He's also younger, and he puts up better stats playing real basketball, not playing 46+ minutes a night in Don Nelson's bizzaro-world.

That doesn't mean Curry won't be good, because I personally think he's going to be very good, and would love to have him in Sacramento. I just don't think there's much of a chance that he ends up the better player between the two.

 

[cstorm]

Not hate, but that video you watched...I assume it was the one with the short fat guy and Craig Sager pimping Curry?

Wouldn't sweat short fat guy and Sager being fools.

The short fat guy even stated towards the end that his vote of support for Curry was an apology for saying something derogatory at the beginning of the season.

 

[KingsDyNasty34]

Short chubby dude I believe also stated what us kings fans have heard all season long "Hes not a point guard"

Why can't they just get off that and accept that hes a basketball player and is running the offense smoothly.Tyreke is picking up the open players on the perimeter and so on.

There is a reason its called Rookie of the YEAR

When its all said and done Reke has been producing all season long. He's our go to guy in the clutch...

Nothing against Curry hes a great ball player but they can give him like a most improved rookie in the second half.. just not RoY

 

[Aenadin]

tyreke is unstoppable at his age.

its not even a contest, the only reason curry is getting into the mix is cause how some analysts are so in love with his jumpshot

reke's already got it locked the kings improved their record from last year and has shown improvement. he is a double team magnet and he's only going to get better.

rekes got

2 game winners
1 35pt come back game
1 triple double
a couple of western rookie of the month awards
and the allstar rook-soph game MVP

he's on his way.

 

[Rookie]

Wouldn't sweat short fat guy...

Hey half of that is true about me, and I'm half offended.

Even Kobe stated there's no comparison...people can listen to the short fat guy or another NBA star player.

Year != Half a Season

 

[pdxKingsFan]

They need something to talk about, I don't think it is Kings hate or Warriors love, they just can't have one guy run away with it.

When the voting is done Tyreke will probably be unanimous or nearly so, they will cite the 20-5-5, the consistent play throughout the year and if his last week is any indication they'll even cite his own surge at the end of the year when everyone else hits the wall.

It makes a more compelling story that way.

 

[JB_kings]

Playing Nellie ball always inflates a players offensive stats. And no comparison on the defensive side of the court.

Reke was better than Curry at the beginning of the season and he's better right now.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Yeah, this really shouldn't be close. I don't see how anyone in their right mind could give the ROY to Curry (fantastic as he's been). Evans is just on another level.

 

[hrdboild]

The players all know Reke is better (well, except Baron Davis repping the fellow LA native, but he does have a decent point about winning), the coaches all know Reke is better. And people who understand basketball know Reke is better. If you're the type of fan who likes tracking stats and watching Golden State run up the score than you might throw in a vote for Curry. Or if you like skinny jumpshooters and don't understand the value of a layup. Or if you want to be provacative and go against what everyone else thinks. But the Curry bandwagon started a little early to pick up all the contrarians and so it's liable to generate it's own backlash by the end of the season with some people throwing in votes for Jennings when his team beats Boston in the playoffs (not all that unlikely right now, btw). Regardless, Reke is going to win rookie of the year and it's not even close. All this Curry chatter right now is more about sports journalists drumming up something to talk about then an actual swing in relevant opinion.

 

[BibbyFAN10]

not sure if Kobe's quote from the other night has been posted:

But out of all the thoughts expressed by the Lakers on Curry and Evans, the following opinion may matter the most.

“Steph’s a phenomenal player,” reigning MVP, Kobe Bryant said. “But Tyreke — that’s a grown-*** man.”


Sorry if it has already been posted....

 

[Merdiesel]

This is nothing more than the lame *** media trying to create some hype.
If you think Curry is better than Evans, you should not be covering basketball at all.

Lakers vs. Warriors
Fisher on Curry

Lakers vs. Kings
Kobe/Artest on Evans (still damn near gets a triple double)

How many game winners has Curry made this year?

Who has improved more their teams record more?

WHO IS STATICALLY BETTER?????! lol

Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, LeBron James and TYREKE mother ****in Evans! Come on now.

"one newcomer is having a good season and the other is tracking to historical." -Scott Howard-Cooper of NBA.com

 

[SacKings7]

I think Evans still wins it. Curry has been putting up great numbers these past few months, but when your team plays matador defense just so they can get the ball back and score again, it really inflates some of those stats

 

[SacKings7]

The short fat guy even stated towards the end that his vote of support for Curry was an apology for saying something derogatory at the beginning of the season.

Lol yeah I was wondering if anybody else caught that. One reason he voted for Curry was because at the beginning of the year, he said Curry was gonna be the next Jannero Pargo

 

[kennadog]

Lol yeah I was wondering if anybody else caught that. One reason he voted for Curry was because at the beginning of the year, he said Curry was gonna be the next Jannero Pargo

Which shows just how much his opinion is worth.

Notice when they copmpare Curry's stats against Reke's, its stuff like pts, assts and TOs? When touting Curry, they never compare rebounds. (They argue Evans gets more rebound, because Reke's not a PG. ) And of course, they never bring defense into the equation, because Evans is much better at defense. And let's not talk about who is drawing double- and triple-teams or draws the opponent's best defender.

None of those other qualities of their games that might favor Evans. Curry is great at what he does. Evans is a much better all-around player and has been since day one. I think the whole thing is just to create some competitive interest in the ROY award.

As to Jennings being in the conversation, because his team's competing for a playoff spot....how many here think the Kings would be better than the Bucks right now if the Bucks had Hawes and the Kings had Bogut? (Not to mention playing against mostly East coast competition.)

 

[SacKings7]

Which shows just how much his opinion is worth.

Notice when they copmpare Curry's stats against Reke's, its stuff like pts, assts and TOs? When touting Curry, they never compare rebounds. (They argue Evans gets more rebound, because Reke's not a PG. ) And of course, they never bring defense into the equation, because Evans is much better at defense. And let's not talk about who is drawing double- and triple-teams or draws the opponent's best defender.

None of those other qualities of their games that might favor Evans. Curry is great at what he does. Evans is a much better all-around player and has been since day one. I think the whole thing is just to create some competitive interest in the ROY award.

As to Jennings being in the conversation, because his team's competing for a playoff spot....how many here think the Kings would be better than the Bucks right now if the Bucks had Hawes and the Kings had Bogut? (Not to mention playing against mostly East coast competition.)

If Jennings gets RotY over Evans, then I'm gonna be sick. If winning factored into the equation that much, then Melo deserved it over LeBron a few years back. It's pretty much the same situation, especially with the 20, 5 n 5 LeBron put up. (not comparing either of the 4 players to another)

 

[wicktron]

I dont get where you guys feel that players that play for Nellie in Oakland have inflated numbers versus if they weren't in Oakland.

Let's take for example Stephen Jackson.

2008-2009 with the Warriors: 40.5 MPG, 42.8% FG, 32.9% 3P, 78% FT, 5.8 RPG, 3.2 APG, 1.9 SPG, 21.5 PPG

2009-2010 with the Bobcats: 39.5 MPG, 42.7% FG, 32.2% 3P, 77.2% FT, 5 RPG, 3.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 20.8 PPG

Those are effectively the same numbers.

My point is... A player is a player is a player... Unless you're a 1-hit wonder akin to Bobby Simmons on the Clippers, gets a huge contract and fails in Milwaukee.

That said, I watch almost every Warriors and Kings games. I absolutely love NorCal hoops (born and raised up north) and want us to dominate over our SoCal brethren (I currently live and work in LA)...

Tyreke and Stephen will BOTH be great in their respective ways. Tyreke will be a physically imposing force with an all around game. Stephen will become a superior pick-and-roll player and Nash-like shooting and passing.

Either way, lets be happy if EITHER one of these guys gets ROY, although I prefer Tyreke to get it (I'm more of a Kings fan). If either gets ROY, then NorCal hoops is on the right path to getting where it ought to be.

 

[wicktron]

Here's another good "Nellie Inflation" myth-buster:

Sacramento Kings legend Mitch Richmond.

Check his stats his first few years with Nellie in GSW.
Compare that to his next few in Sacramento.

No inflation. A player is a player no matter where he goes.

 

[JB_kings]

Here's another good "Nellie Inflation" myth-buster:

Sacramento Kings legend Mitch Richmond.

Check his stats his first few years with Nellie in GSW.
Compare that to his next few in Sacramento.

No inflation. A player is a player no matter where he goes.

Did you have to go back to Mitch? Bad example. Mitch was the focal point of the Kings offense after the trade.

Did you look up Baron Davis by chance under Nellie and then with the Clippers? Numbers fell off a cliff...

 

[Tetsujin]

Here's another good "Nellie Inflation" myth-buster:

Sacramento Kings legend Mitch Richmond.

Check his stats his first few years with Nellie in GSW.
Compare that to his next few in Sacramento.

No inflation. A player is a player no matter where he goes.

In both cases you listed players who became the focal point of their respective new teams offenses after being traded. Hence they got essentially he same number of shots as before. It's not like Jackson went from being the 3rd option in GS to being the 3rd option in Charlotte.

 

[Chupacabra]

I dont get where you guys feel that players that play for Nellie in Oakland have inflated numbers versus if they weren't in Oakland.

Let's take for example Stephen Jackson.

2008-2009 with the Warriors: 40.5 MPG, 42.8% FG, 32.9% 3P, 78% FT, 5.8 RPG, 3.2 APG, 1.9 SPG, 21.5 PPG

2009-2010 with the Bobcats: 39.5 MPG, 42.7% FG, 32.2% 3P, 77.2% FT, 5 RPG, 3.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 20.8 PPG

Those are effectively the same numbers.

My point is... A player is a player is a player... Unless you're a 1-hit wonder akin to Bobby Simmons on the Clippers, gets a huge contract and fails in Milwaukee.

That said, I watch almost every Warriors and Kings games. I absolutely love NorCal hoops (born and raised up north) and want us to dominate over our SoCal brethren (I currently live and work in LA)...

Tyreke and Stephen will BOTH be great in their respective ways. Tyreke will be a physically imposing force with an all around game. Stephen will become a superior pick-and-roll player and Nash-like shooting and passing.

Either way, lets be happy if EITHER one of these guys gets ROY, although I prefer Tyreke to get it (I'm more of a Kings fan). If either gets ROY, then NorCal hoops is on the right path to getting where it ought to be.

I have no problem with Evans AND Curry both becoming great in their own respective ways. What im getting annoyed with are these statements that seemingly put Evans and Curry on the same pedestal. Evans is quite easily the better player and if you dont agree with that then you dont know what youre talking about. Comparing Curry to Evans is like comparing Carmelo to Lebron. Sure, theyre both great. As great as Carmelo is youd have to be out of your mind to say hes as good or better than Lebron. The same rule applies to the Evans vs. Curry arguement.

 

[wicktron]

Did you have to go back to Mitch? Bad example. Mitch was the focal point of the Kings offense after the trade.

Did you look up Baron Davis by chance under Nellie and then with the Clippers? Numbers fell off a cliff...

The Clippers? Really? That's reaching...

A more suitable comparison would have been pre-Nellie and with-Nellie for B-Diddy.

RE: Stephen Jackson... Last time I checked, he's only their leading scorer by less than 2 PPG.

Find me a non-scrub who played for Nellie. See if their stats were inflated because they played for him.

 

[wicktron]

I have no problem with Evans AND Curry both becoming great in their own respective ways. What im getting annoyed with are these statements that seemingly put Evans and Curry on the same pedestal. Evans is quite easily the better player and if you dont agree with that then you dont know what youre talking about. Comparing Curry to Evans is like comparing Carmelo to Lebron. Sure, theyre both great. As great as Carmelo is youd have to be out of your mind to say hes as good or better than Lebron. The same rule applies to the Evans vs. Curry arguement.

They are on the same pedestal because they're in the same rookie class, play in the same geographical region, and play the same position, just like LeBron and Carmelo. They're in the same league. Neither of them have won a championship yet, so they're effectively in the same boat, regardless of what the statistics say. Sure you start a team with LeBron, but that's out of the question (and merely serves as barber-shop talk) now that both guys have a solid contending team built around them.

 

[JB_kings]

The Clippers? Really? That's reaching...

A more suitable comparison would have been pre-Nellie and with-Nellie for B-Diddy.

RE: Stephen Jackson... Last time I checked, he's only their leading scorer by less than 2 PPG.

Find me a non-scrub who played for Nellie. See if their stats were inflated because they played for him.

Reaching? Like reaching back to Richmond.

 

[wicktron]

Reaching? Like reaching back to Richmond.

Yeah, that was reaching back into time with valid statistical comparison... Not reaching with a weak attempt to disprove my argument.

If the standards are because Mitch Richmond was a focal point of the Kings offense, shouldn't his numbers have been even greater in SAC because he wasn't the focal point in GSW? Or how about the other way around, why weren't his numbers any lower since Nellie Ball is so inflated.

RE: Baron Davis -- CHA/NO to GSW Baron Davis with a chip on the shoulder and the ability to prove I'm not an injury prone star is so far and away different from sign a contract, live in my home town and be uninspired by playing for Mike Dumbleavy while being betrayed by Elton Brand GSW to LAC Baron Davis.

Nellie ball helps scrubs and marginal players inflate their numbers... Not legit NBA starters.

 

[Tetsujin]

Yeah, that was reaching back into time with valid statistical comparison... Not reaching with a weak attempt to disprove my argument.

If the standards are because Mitch Richmond was a focal point of the Kings offense, shouldn't his numbers have been even greater in SAC because he wasn't the focal point in GSW? Or how about the other way around, why weren't his numbers any lower since Nellie Ball is so inflated.

RE: Baron Davis -- CHA/NO to GSW Baron Davis with a chip on the shoulder and the ability to prove I'm not an injury prone star is so far and away different from sign a contract, live in my home town and be uninspired by playing for Mike Dumbleavy while being betrayed by Elton Brand GSW to LAC Baron Davis.

Nellie ball helps scrubs and marginal players inflate their numbers... Not legit NBA starters.

I think every single one of our posts have gone completely over your head.