[Game] 37/82 Kings vs. Heat 06 JAN 2025, 7pm PT/10pm ET

[Kingster]

The only issue is where does that "length" get significant minutes if it takes value to get it? The Kings are starting to form what looks to be a strong, fortified 8 man group and that 9th man probably has to be a PF/C. It's likely the Kings eventually kind of start normalizing and then you see what this team really is.

Yeah, that is the question. They can't give up Murray for athletic length, for example, because there probably wouldn't be any net gain to the team. There are a lot of guards on this team. I'd look to give up someone of value in that area for someone of value in the long athletic area. Such a deal would start to balance out this team. Like most significant deals, it's probably going to hurt, similar to the Sabonis deal. But if McNair can find the "free lunch," more power to him.

Keep in mind that the strong, fortified 8 man group has a 35 year old starter in the mix. I loved the DDR heroics against Miami, but aside from LBJ who has made a deal with the devil for eternal youth, DDR is much, much closer to his end than the beginning. Any personnel assessment of this team much take that into account.

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

Going to stop you right here and just say that nothing could be further from the truth. I may come from a family of entrepreneurs and am very proud of their contributions to Sacramento but I am a union man through and through. And I believe that the wealthy (particularly the ultra-wealthy) have a duty beyond their own self-interest. Which is why I draw the line when we start talking about people who are setting up generational wealth and not people trying to put food on their tables.

Mike Brown is not in my class. He had a great contract, that reflected his career - one that had a lot worth celebrating and many, many red flags.

I'm just going to stop there though because I don't want to drag him through the mud. A lot of people who are mad at the Kings today were mad at the Kings when they hired him. I celebrated the hire. I am grateful for what he did. But he played us.

It seems like you do believe in a special moral position for the financially successful, which is close enough to what I was saying that I don't mind the small differences. Unions are built on the contrary assumption, that relationships are based on leverage.

Mike Brown makes more than me too, but I still think I ought to be able to get paid what I'm worth.

Negotiation is an ethical process for everybody to figure out what they're worth

 

[pdxKingsFan]

It seems like you do believe in a special moral position for the financially successful, which is close enough to what I was saying that I don't mind the small differences. Unions are built on the contrary assumption, that relationships are based on leverage.

Mike Brown makes more than me too, but I still think I ought to be able to get paid what I'm worth.

Negotiation is an ethical process for everybody to figure out what they're worth

No I still don't think you understand where I am coming from. But I'm dropping it because it's not really appropriate for this forum and I don't feel like trashing a coach I liked, but did not love.

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

No I still don't think you understand where I am coming from. But I'm dropping it because it's not really appropriate for this forum and I don't feel like trashing a coach I liked, but did not love.

It's fair that I don't understand your position. I just saw a weird looking criticism of Brown and tried to get to the bottom of it.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

It's fair that I don't understand your position. I just saw a weird looking criticism of Brown and tried to get to the bottom of it.

I don't personally agree with how he handled it, he got what he wanted and if he is happy so be it. A large part of my criticism is also that a powerful segment of our media are malignant jerks who are more interested in having the red carpet rolled out for them than actually care about if the team makes winning decisions. It's a lot easier to do media when the team is losing, actually. They were complicit in all of this and got played like a fiddle by Brown imho.

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

I don't personally agree with how he handled it, he got what he wanted and if he is happy so be it. A large part of my criticism is also that a powerful segment of our media are malignant jerks who are more interested in having the red carpet rolled out for them than actually care about if the team makes winning decisions. It's a lot easier to do media when the team is losing, actually. They were complicit in all of this and got played like a fiddle by Brown imho.

I think I responded to that already; of course Brown was going to leverage his influence with sports media. He gives a hundred media interviews a year, being media savvy is a large part of being good at his job.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I think I responded to that already; of course Brown was going to leverage his influence with sports media. He gives a hundred media interviews a year, being media savvy is a large part of being good at his job.

I may be wrong but I don't think he goes on the likes of Ham and stuff and that's where most of my media vitriol is directed.

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

I may be wrong but I don't think he goes on the likes of Ham and stuff and that's where most of my media vitriol is directed.

Ok, I'm ignorant of what goes on in the Ham'iverse, I simply don't have much to say about that.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Ok, I'm ignorant of what goes on in the Ham'iverse, I simply don't have much to say about that.

Fan driven media isn't held to any kind of professional standard and seems to treat opinion the same as fact. And Ham does have a big enough voice that when he says something a good chunk of the fanbase believes it. So when he says Vivek is cheap, he's cheap. Case closed for a nice chunk of fans.

A recent example is this tweet:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873216099292193087

He tweets this out in the middle of the Lakers game after Doug's promotion. Ostensibly to make Monte and the rest of the FO look bad for promoting the guy in charge of rotations to replace Mike Brown who was fired for his bad rotations. Also works Jordi in there because why not?

11 minutes later he tweets this minor clarification, but all around social media now you see folks referencing the original tweet and saying Doug was the moron in charge of not playing Keon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873218644253282639

Note the original tweet has nearly 4x the likes, it also has over 41k views while the follow up had 16k.

He's constantly engagement farming with half truths to get people riled up with pitchforks. He was the guy always trying to bait Keegan into trash talking Mike Brown with leading questions about being frustrated with his role at post game pressers. And he's #1 at repeating the Vivek is cheap and incompetent gospel. I think he had a very terrible first 5 years as owner. But since then he has actually learned, but he's still a people pleaser at heart himself and I think he takes the personal criticisms to heart and he did not want to be caught with his pants down and lose Brown, so he re-upped him even though the signs were maybe there that he shouldn't have.