Put Miller at the 4 Get a real def. 5 or trade him...

[sactown100]

Put Miller at the 4 or trade him... im over hearing about anyone on Dallas... yes one of the bigs is way over paid to come off the bench... yes they could have found and did find someone like Diop who could do the same thing for less money... and yes having 2 bigs that do the same thing... play tough and block shots/def. is what can take a team to the finals... but lets talk about Miller and what they should do with him instead of 2 guys on dallas that arent going anywhere soon... ok ... i say again put Miller at the 4 Get real Def. 5 or Trade him

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Put Miller at the 4...

For the love of God, no.

 

[Kings113]

Miller at the 4? No.

Miller at the 5 with a defensive/hustle big next to him? Sure.

Miller and SAR, with defensive players behind them. That will now get good, regular minutes and oppurtunities becuase Musselman uses his bench and is more defensive minded? Sure.

Miller off the bench? Sure.

Miller traded? As long as we have some offense in the front-court or get a nice package back.

 

[Rome]

Putting Miller at 4 is like asking to get killed in the paint even more. In other words NO!

 

[Kings113]

Brand/KG/Amare/Diaw/Nene/Kenyon/Duncan/Randolph/Haslem/JO/Pau would abuse him.

 

[jon e]

miller was an all star when he was at the 4. i would totally agree with him being moved there. he started to flop once he was he was moved to the 5 to replace vlade

 

[sactown100]

Brand/KG/Amare/Diaw/Nene/Kenyon/Duncan/Randolph/Haslem/JO/Pau would abuse him.

whats new .... hes getting tossed around if he was getting posted up by Derek fisher... hes soft as a wet tissue... but at least he wouldn't have to be the last line of defense against Parker... the futher you get him away from the basket the better.. maybe Millers just a lost cause... oh well... who you gonna get for him thats the question?

 

[Rome]

miller was an all star when he was at the 4. i would totally agree with him being moved there. he started to flop once he was he was moved to the 5 to replace vlade

There were a lot of things that Miller was decent/good at before the injury and with a guy like Vlade and Webb playing with him.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Miller creats match up problems at the 5. At the 4 he jsut gets out matched. If the Kings can't get a better center in trade they are MUCH better off looking for an athletic defense minded PF who rebounds like mad. That of course is why letting Kenny go becomes problematic. While no where near perfect he gets 2 out of 4 on that short list.

I'd love to see some of the old Brad back on court and maybe a change of coaching will bring back some of the hustle, effort and outright meanness he showed 3-4 years back but at this point in time the Kings need to find a PF that complements him not try to turn him into something he is not.

 

[walker60]

He's too slow.

 

[Mad D]

miller was an all star when he was at the 4. i would totally agree with him being moved there. he started to flop once he was he was moved to the 5 to replace vlade

Miller was also a 2 time allstar at the 5. Either way he gets abused.

 

[jon e]

Miller was also a 2 time allstar at the 5. Either way he gets abused.

his most productive times in sacramento were at the 4, no denying that

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

his most productive times in sacramento were at the 4, no denying that

On the contrary: I think that it could be reasonably argued that 15.6 (52.4% FG, 81.% FT) ppg, 9.3 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.23 spg and 1.21 bpg (career high numbers in both categories, mind you) against 1.46 turnovers and 3.2 fouls is qualitatively better than 14.1 (51.0% FG, 77.8% FT) ppg, 10.3 rpg, 4.3 apg, 0.94 spg and 1.19 bpg, against 2.0 turnovers and 3.2 fouls.

 

[BMiller52]

On the contrary: I think that it could be reasonably argued that 15.6 (52.4% FG, 81.% FT) ppg, 9.3 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.23 spg and 1.21 bpg (career high numbers in both categories, mind you) against 1.46 turnovers and 3.2 fouls is qualitatively better than 14.1 (51.0% FG, 77.8% FT) ppg, 10.3 rpg, 4.3 apg, 0.94 spg and 1.19 bpg, against 2.0 turnovers and 3.2 fouls.

Basically the broken leg is what made him slow right?

 

[DocHolliday]

Brad Miller was already getting slow, and the broken leg didn't help any.

I don't understand how ANYONE could still be thinking of putting Brad at the 4. If he can't take a foot to the left or right in time to get in front of someone, how is he going to protect the whole baseline??

Come on folks. Think.

 

[BRad1055]

You put Miller at the 4 and say someone like Samual Dalembart at the 5 that would work out perfect. Miller is much better at the 4 spot than the 5 because he is going against small guys and yes they may be quicker but they are smaller and he can bring the 4's out of the paint with his threat to shoot and that leaves our fictional athletic big man 5 open down low with one on one coverage to jump over the team opposing center and dunk lol. =)

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You put Miller at the 4 and say someone like Samual Dalembart at the 5 that would work out perfect. Miller is much better at the 4 spot than the 5 because he is going against small guys and yes they may be quicker but they are smaller...

Because Miller has never been locked up by smaller players right?

coughfinleycough

Brad Miller is the Stojakovic of centers, in terms of being able to be rattled by smaller players; putting him against players that are better able to guard him isn't going to help.

 

[CruzDude]

Miller at the 5 is not so bad IF the Kings have a 4 who can move quick to cover the middle (that is not KT! or Potapenko). With Artest and Bonzi tying up their 3 and 2 that means we need a guard who can stay in front of their man to reduce the layup drills. That is not Bibby. Sooooo.... dilemma.

Maybe, just maybe, Coach can get some time for Williams and Amundson at the 4/5. The defensive player of the year (Wallace) the past 2-3 years is only 6-8 (if that) but has great lateral moves. So do these two rookies. Sure pie-in-the-sky but who has a better solution so far?

 

[DavisAggie]

What about Artest at PF? (really)

PG - Bibby
SG - KM
SF - Bonzi
PF - Artest
C - Miller

KT is the same size as Artest, yet Artest plays with more muscle

Bench

1. 'Cisco
2. KT
3. SAR

 

[Rome]

What about Artest at PF? (really)

PG - Bibby
SG - KM
SF - Bonzi
PF - Artest
C - Miller

KT is the same size as Artest, yet Artest plays with more muscle

Bench

1. 'Cisco
2. KT
3. SAR

Still doesn't really solve any of our problems including shot blocking and rebounding....

 

[Amanjoy]

Brand/KG/Amare/Diaw/Nene/Kenyon/Duncan/Randolph/Haslem/JO/Pau would abuse him.

Not to mention Bosh, Jermaine O'Neal, Rasheed and the dudes from the eastern conference.

 

[Kings113]

I say get a big like Wright/Ely/Etan next to Brad or if we get Magloire (couldn't get Etan then), all can play the 4 or 5 (especially Wright), are mobile bigs (Etan being the least mobile compared to the other two). They're effective without the ball (Wright/Ely being the better on offense, but Etan's not non-existant), hustle, can block shots, take charges, have good size, good rebounders. Not Ben Wallace or Shaq, but they'd provide a presence in the paint, and all 3 are good post-defenders. Much better than any big we have now, as far as being a presence.

Not to mention Bosh, Jermaine O'Neal, Rasheed and the dudes from the eastern conference.

Mentioned JO. Think he could handle Rasheed, actually. Bosh? No.

 

[Troy]

What about Artest at PF? (really)

PG - Bibby
SG - KM
SF - Bonzi
PF - Artest
C - Miller

KT is the same size as Artest, yet Artest plays with more muscle

Bench

1. 'Cisco
2. KT
3. SAR

That's interesting. Artest has the will to play just about anything and him and Bonzi use their bodies to pummel their opponents. Bonzi was our PF in the playoffs against the Spurs so why couldn't Artest who is 1-1/2 to 2" taller. He has post moves of a PF, but we would get killed on the boards, not to mention have a problem with near 7' foot PFs we face. This isn't the answer, but can be used when we go to small ball. We need a definitive PF/C to come in and play goalie and be a beast..be the player Brad is not. SAR and Brad are too much about offensive and very little to any defense so for whatever they score, they easily give up on the other end. Also getting a defense and rebounding 4/5 will be awesome with Bonzi and Artest guarding the wings and hopefully cover up the major problem we have with Bibby and Brad getting beat bad. Brad and Bibby give us the offense, but little to know defense. I like SAR a lot, but him, Bonzi, and Artest are all more post up guys and unless Brad is shooting good for the night, the lane gets way to clogged. We need more shooting to spread the floor. We gained a lot with getting Artest, but lost the floor spreading ability when Peja was here, hopefully KM and Douby do this for us, as well as Bibby who is a very offensive PG.

A lot of this stuff all hinges on if we keep Bonzi or not...let's get it done already 1 way or the other.

I see Amundson coming in and being the guy Bonzi was for us in the Spurs series and do the banging and fighting for the ball, maybe he can be our PF when he come in. Artest and Bonzi have such a advantage at their positions, it would suck to have Artest need to be a PF where he will be undersized, but his heart and determination might just do it...only for a few times a game when we play small ball...this is definately not the solution to our huge need.

 

[DavisAggie]

I see Amundson coming in and ...

You guys see Amundson being a Keon Clark type player???

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Judging by what I've seen of Amundson, he doesn't strike me as being as quick off his feet as Clark. Neither does he seem as quick on his second jump, which was one of the things that really enabled Clark to break out as a player with potential: he got up the first time quicker than most, and then he got up the second time quicker than anybody.

 

[Kings113]

I think Justin Williams is more like Clark, and Amundsons more like Pollard. Having seen a couple games of them both, and read extensive profiles.

 

[Gary]

For the love of God, no.

When Divac was here Miller had a career year at the 4. 14/10/4 + a block per game. That is the only time we have really seen him at the 4, and he played great.

I would not be opposed to getting a defensive center, and putting Brad at 4 at all.

 

[Kings113]

I don't think we have a slowish front-court with Musselman here. Brad I don't think would be good at the 4 anymore because Vlade was there then, and has had 2 or 3 injuries since. He's clearly not the same player since 2005, and would get abused by almost every PF in the league.

 

[hoops4kings]

Brad at the 4 now?...LOL!

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

When Divac was here Miller had a career year at the 4. 14/10/4 + a block per game...

It's hardly a "career" year when he put up better numbers in five major statistical categories the following year... playing center.

I'd rather have a player that rebounded a little less, but was more involved on defense, which Miller was in 2004-05, playing center.