Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker

twslam07

twslam07

All-Star
#181
#181
I know there is a lot of emphasis on trying to sign someone this offseason, but we can easily punt this decision to the 2024 offseason if we strike out.

I would be shocked if Sabonis signs an extension as I believe he can only extend for $104,902,287/4 years. If he simply waits until he is a unrestricted free agent in the 2024 offseason, I believe he can sign a max contract of $184,213,013/4 years. Essentially, he'd be leaving a lot of money on the table if he were to sign an extension.

With that in mind, Sabonis will have a cap hold during the 2024 offseason of $29,100,000 (until he signs a new contract). Accounting for this cap hold and the contracts of Fox, Huerter, Murray, Mitchell, 2023 SAC 1st, and Barnes (assuming he signs for $60 mil/4 years during the 2023 offseason), we'd have around $25.8 mil in cap space with the following players to go after:
  • Aaron Nesmith
  • Aleksej Pokusevski
  • Bol Bol
  • Deni Avdija
  • Devin Vassell
  • Jaden McDaniels
  • Jarred Vanderbilt
  • OG Anunoby
  • Patrick Williams
  • Saddiq Bey

That's a solid bunch to pick from...again. Being able to sign someone like Anunoby outright would be a game changer for us.

And then in the 2025 offseason, the cap could jump from $143 mil (2024) to ~$175 mil. Even with a resigned Sabonis, we could have ample cap space again to add a significant piece if we don't find someone during the 2023 or 2024 offseason.



It gets overlooked around here as many fans focus on the current season or next season, but McNair has done a great job positioning us to take multiple swings at a significant FA to add to the core he has assembled thus far.
 
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cwebb2002

Bench
#182
#182
Frankly, im not really interested in moving any of what i consider the core pieces (starting 5, davion, monk). I dont think its needed and frankly im not sure they big name players who may be available will be worth the price tag that comes with them. I dont think an OG for Barnes moves the needle in a meaningful way enough to justify losing Barnes this year, especially witg respect to chemistry.

The guys who should be targeted are those players who can help the bench, specifically help when Sabonis goes to the bench.

Id be good going after a guy like Drummond who can give you size but will actually rebound and protect the rim when he comes in. I thin Len for Drummond works well for both chicago and us (getting 3m off there books a year sooner). Id also ve interested in throwing a 1 year deal (or 1/2 year deal as it were) to get Dwight Howard if he'd be willing to come over from China.

Id also send PJ Dozier and a 2nd for Dragic to help with play making when davion or monk are faltering on that end. Give you a little more backstop as well than just relying on delli to play big minutes if/when fox gets injured (although he has done heroic jobs when called upon... Esp against Cleveland).
 
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Volblorx8634

Bench
#183
#183
cwebb2002 said:
Frankly, im not really interested in moving any of what i consider the core pieces (starting 5, davion, monk). I dont think its needed and frankly im not sure they big name players who may be available will be worth the price tag that comes with them. I dont think an OG for Barnes moves the needle in a meaningful way enough to justify losing Barnes this year, especially witg respect to chemistry.

The guys who should be targeted are those players who can help the bench, specifically help when Sabonis goes to the bench.

Id be good going after a guy like Drummond who can give you size but will actually rebound and protect the rim when he comes in. I thin Len for Drummond works well for both chicago and us (getting 3m off there books a year sooner). Id also ve interested in throwing a 1 year deal (or 1/2 year deal as it were) to get Dwight Howard if he'd be willing to come over from China.

Id also send PJ Dozier and a 2nd for Dragic to help with play making when davion or monk are faltering on that end. Give you a little more backstop as well than just relying on delli to play big minutes if/when fox gets injured (although he has done heroic jobs when called upon... Esp against Cleveland).
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I disagree with your basic philosophy of retaining the starting 5 + davion, monk simply because i don't trust any of those players defensively on the perimeter outside of Davion who only plays 19mpg and is too small to really shut down bigger guards and wings. Our perimeter defenders are not even sieves, they're more like illusions are the biggest cause of our poor defense and our inability to string together even a few stops consistently is in my opinion the biggest thing preventing us from taking that next step.

Edited to add: I love Barnes and what he does for this team when playing well, but OG would be enormous in a much needed defensive improvement.
 
iowamcnabb

iowamcnabb

Hall of Famer
#184
#184
twslam07 said:
I know there is a lot of emphasis on trying to sign someone this offseason, but we can easily punt this decision to the 2024 offseason if we strike out.

I would be shocked if Sabonis signs an extension as I believe he can only extend for $104,902,287/4 years. If he simply waits until he is a unrestricted free agent in the 2024 offseason, I believe he can sign a max contract of $184,213,013/4 years. Essentially, he'd be leaving a lot of money on the table if he were to sign an extension.

With that in mind, Sabonis will have a cap hold during the 2024 offseason of $29,100,000 (until he signs a new contract). Accounting for this cap hold and the contracts of Fox, Huerter, Murray, Mitchell, 2023 SAC 1st, and Barnes (assuming he signs for $60 mil/4 years during the 2023 offseason), we'd have around $25.8 mil in cap space with the following players to go after:
  • Aaron Nesmith
  • Aleksej Pokusevski
  • Bol Bol
  • Deni Avdija
  • Devin Vassell
  • Jaden McDaniels
  • Jarred Vanderbilt
  • OG Anunoby
  • Patrick Williams
  • Saddiq Bey

That's a solid bunch to pick from...again. Being able to sign someone like Anunoby outright would be a game changer for us.

And then in the 2025 offseason, the cap could jump from $143 mil (2024) to ~$175 mil. Even with a resigned Sabonis, we could have ample cap space again to add a significant piece if we don't find someone during the 2023 or 2024 offseason.



It gets overlooked around here as many fans focus on the current season or next season, but McNair has done a great job positioning us to take multiple swings at a significant FA to add to the core he has assembled thus far.
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that’s assuming we let Monk walk in free agency or?
 
iowamcnabb

iowamcnabb

Hall of Famer
#186
#186
twslam07 said:
That’s correct. You could always move Mitchell and/or 2023 1st for future picks if you’d like to retain Monk and have space to sign someone else.
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Although I wouldn’t consider re-signing Barnes a punt, I do wonder if bringing back the same team, plus internal improvements and draft picks is enough to keep moving upward. It might be, but the West will likely be even harder next year. Memphis and New Orleans are trending up. Denver isn’t going anywhere. Lakers are most likely back in the mix. Suns will likely have Cam, Book, Bridges and Ayton to build around. Minnesota has cash to replace Russell. I like Van Fleet for their team. Clips might finally put it together. If Houston got Wemby or Scoot and signed Harden they could turn it around quickly. Okc could cash in their chips and trade for a real player or two. The only team trending down would be Dallas imo because they don’t have cap room. That changes the next season.

maybe a year of winning and Browns coaching gets us to top 15 defensively. If we can we play with almost anyone.

Poku from that 24 crop is intriguing. He has made some big improvements and is not likely in OkCs plans
 
Capt. Factorial

Capt. Factorial

ceterum censeo delendum esse Argentum
Staff member
#187
#187
iowamcnabb said:
Although I wouldn’t consider re-signing Barnes a punt, I do wonder if bringing back the same team, plus internal improvements and draft picks is enough to keep moving upward.
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I think at this point, we've pretty much established who our top 7 players (this year) are.

Obviously our top two are Fox and Sabonis, and with a true "third star" we'd be legit contenders. But I don't know how we increase our chances to get that third star. Solid as he is, at this point it's clear that third star isn't Barnes. It's not Huerter - he has a very important role but he's not the #3. Could it be Murray? Maybe someday? He's got quite a few steps to take to get there, kicking up his defense and his rebounding and his creation skills. Maybe he can, but I don't think it's going to be next year. Then of course our #6/#7 guys are Monk and Mitchell.

What we're missing, for a really solid 9-man rotation, is another big man and another forward off the bench. I think there was a hope that Richaun would turn things around and be able to be the bench big man, but it's starting to look like that ship has sailed. Lyles has been really solid as the bench forward, but he's not under contract next year and might be the easiest to improve upon.

Obviously I'd be open to any ideas on how we take the next step, but the most realistic path forward is probably this:
Stars: Fox, Sabonis
Starters: Murray, Huerter, Barnes (re-signed)
Bench G: Mitchell, Monk
Bench F: Vezenkov (MLE)
Bench Big: ??? (Trade Holmes + FRP at the deadline??? Draft pick???)

Obviously that bench big is the major problem. I don't see an obvious fit. If we could pry away Mason Plumlee that's probably the best we can hope for, but there's so much money left on Holmes' deal I don't know how Charlotte bites, and we'd be reducing Plumlee's minutes enough that he'd probably look around for another gig next year. Bamba doesn't look like he can perform at the level we'd like. Who's left? Olynyk? Can we hope to find a draft pick in the 20 range that could step in? I don't know. Tubelis seems like the most ready. Lively has likely played himself down into our range, but there's a reason and we couldn't hope for him to actually be in an NBA rotation next year. Filipowski? Bona? A lot of prayers there. But that's the reason it's the hardest question to answer.
 
iowamcnabb

iowamcnabb

Hall of Famer
#188
#188
Capt. Factorial said:
I think at this point, we've pretty much established who our top 7 players (this year) are.

Obviously our top two are Fox and Sabonis, and with a true "third star" we'd be legit contenders. But I don't know how we increase our chances to get that third star. Solid as he is, at this point it's clear that third star isn't Branes. It's not Huerter - he has a very important role but he's not the #3. Could it be Murray? Maybe someday? He's got quite a few steps to take to get there, kicking up his defense and his rebounding and his creation skills. Maybe he can, but I don't think it's going to be next year. Then of course our #6/#7 guys are Monk and Mitchell.

What we're missing, for a really solid 9-man rotation, is another big man and another forward off the bench. I think there was a hope that Richaun would turn things around and be able to be the bench big man, but it's starting to look like that ship has sailed. Lyles has been really solid as the bench forward, but he's not under contract next year and might be the easiest to improve upon.

Obviously I'd be open to any ideas on how we take the next step, but the most realistic path forward is probably this:
Stars: Fox, Sabonis
Starters: Murray, Huerter, Barnes (re-signed)
Bench G: Mitchell, Monk
Bench F: Vezenkov (MLE)
Bench Big: ??? (Trade Holmes + FRP at the deadline??? Draft pick???)

Obviously that bench big is the major problem. I don't see an obvious fit. If we could pry away Mason Plumlee that's probably the best we can hope for, but there's so much money left on Holmes' deal I don't know how Charlotte bites, and we'd be reducing Plumlee's minutes enough that he'd probably look around for another gig next year. Bamba doesn't look like he can perform at the level we'd like. Who's left? Olynyk? Can we hope to find a draft pick in the 20 range that could step in? I don't know. Tubelis seems like the most ready. Lively has likely played himself down into our range, but there's a reason and we couldn't hope for him to actually be in an NBA rotation next year. Filipowski? Bona? A lot of prayers there. But that's the reason it's the hardest question to answer.
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the ideal situation would be for Keegan to make a jump to a 17+ point a game guy with plus defense and for us to draft a player that can be an elite defender who can push Barnes to the bench in a year or so. Not super likely to happen but who knows. Or as 07 pointed out sign one of those free agents in 24. We might have to eventually choose between Davion and Monk as that could end up being too much money to spend on reserve guard. I assume Monks next contract will not be for 2 years 20 mil
 
iowamcnabb

iowamcnabb

Hall of Famer
#191
#191
Capt. Factorial said:
He has played 17 minutes since Thanksgiving, and as far as I can tell, he's not hurt. He could talk to Mark Jones about the fork sticking out of his back.
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well he hasn’t really been needed since Brook has played well and they can run Portis at the 5 some. He might have more to offer an up and coming team as opposed to a championship squad.
 
sactowndog

sactowndog

All-Star
#192
#192
iowamcnabb said:
I think most on the forum can agree we have the 1, 2, 3 and 5 spot sorted out in our starting lineup long term. We still need a 4 (or 3 if you believe Keegan ends up at the 4 spot) I believe we need a plus defender who can ideally spread the floor but that can be easier said than done. This thread will track names we have talked about in the past over the course of this season. Players, current contracts, FA status, stats and maybe some advanced metrics and notable performances. Ill try to keep this updated if life allows.

PJ Washington age 24 Soon to be restricted Free agent.
OFF rating 100.7 DEF rating 111.1 PIE 7.7 15.6 PPG 3pt-36% 80 plus from the line

Grant Williams age 24 (Nov) soon to be restricted Free agent
OFF rating 114.9 DEF rating 105.7 PIE 11 9.4 PPG 3pt-53% nearly 85 from the line

Cam Johnson age 26 soon to be restricted free agent INJURED OUT INDEFINITELY
OFF rating 122.8 DEF rating 104 PIE 10.4 13 PPG 3pt-43% around 72 from the line

Draymond Green age 32 player option (likely to be traded)
OFF rating 119.2 DEF rating 113.9 PIE 8.8 8.9 PPG 3pt-30% 58 from the line

Jerami Grant age 28 FA
OFF rating 113.5 DEF rating 111.1 PIE 9.4 PPG 17.9 3pt-39.5% 74 from the line

Lauri Markkanen age 25 2 years at around 36 million total left after this year (only 6000 is guaranteed in final year)
OFF Rating 118.7 DEF rating 110.9 PIE 16.2 22.2 points per game 3pt-30% 85 from the line

Mo Bamba age 24 1 year 10.3 mil left after this year
OFF rating 103.7 DEF rating 116.1 PIE 6.2 4.4 points per game 3pt-26% 60 from the line
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Are the 3 point percentages catch and shoot 3 point percentage. I think those are the most relevant.
 
iowamcnabb

iowamcnabb

Hall of Famer
#201
#201
It sounds like the Spurs don’t want to lose Poeltl and would only trade him if they got a big offer. They only offered him Holmes money for an extension which he turned down. I do wonder if he wants to be part of a rebuild. They are likely 3 or 4 years out considering they don’t even have a for sure guy to build around.
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#202
#202
iowamcnabb said:
It sounds like the Spurs don’t want to lose Poeltl and would only trade him if they got a big offer. They only offered him Holmes money for an extension which he turned down. I do wonder if he wants to be part of a rebuild. They are likely 3 or 4 years out considering they don’t even have a for sure guy to build around.
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Plus he plays the same position as Wemby if they win the sweepstakes (although Wemby is an amazing floor spacer so they can probably just play them together).
 
Telemachus

Telemachus

Starter
#203
#203
iowamcnabb said:
It sounds like the Spurs don’t want to lose Poeltl and would only trade him if they got a big offer. They only offered him Holmes money for an extension which he turned down. I do wonder if he wants to be part of a rebuild. They are likely 3 or 4 years out considering they don’t even have a for sure guy to build around.
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Shams said in the Athletic that SA has had a max extension of 4 years at $58 million on the table since the beginning of the season. They see him as part of their future, but are worried he might walk at the end of the year.
 
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The_Jamal

Hall of Famer
#204
#204
iowamcnabb said:
It sounds like the Spurs don’t want to lose Poeltl and would only trade him if they got a big offer. They only offered him Holmes money for an extension which he turned down. I do wonder if he wants to be part of a rebuild. They are likely 3 or 4 years out considering they don’t even have a for sure guy to build around.
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Yeah he's a UFA, there's none chance he hangs around. He's an awesome player and should have a few starting jobs lined up for him this off-season on much better teams
 
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ESP47

All-Star
#210
#210
iowamcnabb said:
Poeltl has a fairly low profile among fans but all the analytic guys seem to love him.
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He's a real solid player. Kind of a Jarrett Allen type and is still improving.

I think what SA is thinking is that if they don't get an acceptable offer and get Wemby, they can build an even better version of the Allen/Mobley situation over in CLE. If a team is willing to give them what they want for Poeltl, then they can play Wemby at the 5 and look to get a PG and a wing.

Poeltl's production is easier to find in the draft and FA than the same level wing production. Probably what SA is thinking by fishing for trades.
 
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