Playoff Update (Merged)
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i'd rather play the suns then the spurs. the suns don't play D. i don't care if they have amare back, i figure his year this year will be like 2 years ago when webber came back, great first game, very inconsistant after that due to lack of knee strength ( i hope this isn't interpreted as a knock on c-webb, it isn't one)
we'd have a minute chance of beating the suns. we'd have no chance at beating the spurs IMO.
we'd have a minute chance of beating the suns. we'd have no chance at beating the spurs IMO.
does anybody remember C-webbs first game back after his surgery. We looked like we never missed a beat and Webber went for 26/12/4 shooting 12-18 from the field in only 30 min. Then it was downhill from there not so much for Webb (although it was down a bit) but for the team and its chemistry. Adrenaline is a key factor in the first game or 2 back give it a week and see how Amare is doing.
We want any spot we can get. On paper, based on what the season has done so far, we are worse on than any team 1-3. Yes, that includes the Nuggets, who are playing great basketball and just beat the Spurs by 12. Even with Artest, this team has been inconsistent on the road, which means we're automatically at a disadvantage in any series, where we have to win all our home games and pray to steal one on the road, which won't be easy against the Spurs, Suns, Mavs or Nuggets. With all the talk about the 04 playoffs and Webber's "failed" return, remember that that team dispatched the Mavs in 5 games and only lost to the TWolves in a heartbreaker of game 7. Was that team championship material? Certainly not. But the parallels to the current Suns team are striking. I don't think the Suns are championship contenders- or, more accurately, I think there are enough teams that could beat them in 7 games to deny a true contender status. Regardless, the Kings are not one of those teams.
Here's the bottom line: the Kings will have to elevate their game to something we haven't seen in a long time for them to have a chance to get out of the first round, regardless of who their opponent is. Ron said "It doesn't matter if we face SA or Dallas, we'll beat them." I don't think he should be so confident, but he's got something right: if we play as well as we possibly can, on the road and at home, we'll win. If we don't (which is looking likely, after only 3 mos together) we'll lose. Matchups don't matter. It's all about the Kings, not their opponents.
Here's the bottom line: the Kings will have to elevate their game to something we haven't seen in a long time for them to have a chance to get out of the first round, regardless of who their opponent is. Ron said "It doesn't matter if we face SA or Dallas, we'll beat them." I don't think he should be so confident, but he's got something right: if we play as well as we possibly can, on the road and at home, we'll win. If we don't (which is looking likely, after only 3 mos together) we'll lose. Matchups don't matter. It's all about the Kings, not their opponents.
I agree with the others, I really don't see Amare making a big impact at least for this season. Once the playoff's start the game gets a lot my physical and I imagine teams are going to try and make him move.
The Spurs are the only team in the West that I think we have no chance in ..at beating in a 7 game series.
The Spurs are the only team in the West that I think we have no chance in ..at beating in a 7 game series.
Kings113 said:
Tonight:
Grizzlies at Knicks - Grizzlies will simply be too much for the Knicks.
Hornets at Bulls - Bulls are hungry for a play-off spot, play inspired ball at home just about every game, the Hornets are not a good road team, and team lately, period.
Bucks at Lakers - Bucks nice assortment of bigs and guards will overpower Kobe and Odom, Bucks also want to keep their 7th spot at bay.
Grizzlies at Knicks - Grizzlies will simply be too much for the Knicks.
Hornets at Bulls - Bulls are hungry for a play-off spot, play inspired ball at home just about every game, the Hornets are not a good road team, and team lately, period.
Bucks at Lakers - Bucks nice assortment of bigs and guards will overpower Kobe and Odom, Bucks also want to keep their 7th spot at bay.
http://www.nba.com/kings/
From Audio #2, sounds like we'll be seeing guys off the bench outside of SAR/Garcia/Bonzi with some regularity down the stretch now.
From Audio #2, sounds like we'll be seeing guys off the bench outside of SAR/Garcia/Bonzi with some regularity down the stretch now.
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Consequences of the Lakers/NO Game on Kings
L.A. Lakers 37 34 GB =0 Sacramento 35 34 GB = 1 NO/Oklahoma City 32 35 GB=3
Can someone explain exactly what happens if
1) we win and the lakers lose
2) we win and NO loses
3) we somehow dont win and lakers lose
4) we somehow dont win and NO loses
I am getting thrown off by the effects of the win column differences coupled with the loses....
And ultimately what is the preferred outcome (other than a Kings win) from the LA/NO matchup? I would normally say any loss that includes KB but I'm not so sure... help
Thanks.... too many numbers spinning in my head...
L.A. Lakers 37 34 GB =0 Sacramento 35 34 GB = 1 NO/Oklahoma City 32 35 GB=3
Can someone explain exactly what happens if
1) we win and the lakers lose
2) we win and NO loses
3) we somehow dont win and lakers lose
4) we somehow dont win and NO loses
I am getting thrown off by the effects of the win column differences coupled with the loses....
And ultimately what is the preferred outcome (other than a Kings win) from the LA/NO matchup? I would normally say any loss that includes KB but I'm not so sure... help
Thanks.... too many numbers spinning in my head...
If Kings win and Lakers to lose, this will put the Lakers at 35 in the loss column whereas the Kings would still be at 34, and hence the Kings would be controllering their destiny.
If Kings win and NO loses, that puts NO further away from the 8th spot, but the Kings don't gain anything on the Lakers.
If the Kings lose and the Lakers lose, we don't gain anything from the Lakers and NO is one game closer to the 8th spot. This would probably be the worse case scenario, depending on how you want to look at it.
If the Kings lose and NO loses, we lose ground against the Lakers, but our 8th spot would be better protected.
If Kings win and NO loses, that puts NO further away from the 8th spot, but the Kings don't gain anything on the Lakers.
If the Kings lose and the Lakers lose, we don't gain anything from the Lakers and NO is one game closer to the 8th spot. This would probably be the worse case scenario, depending on how you want to look at it.
If the Kings lose and NO loses, we lose ground against the Lakers, but our 8th spot would be better protected.
KingHallJD2007 said:
L.A. Lakers 37 34 GB =0 Sacramento 35 34 GB = 1 NO/Oklahoma City 32 35 GB=3
Can someone explain exactly what happens if
1) we win and the lakers lose
2) we win and NO loses
3) we somehow dont win and lakers lose
4) we somehow dont win and NO loses
I am getting thrown off by the effects of the win column differences coupled with the loses....
And ultimately what is the preferred outcome (other than a Kings win) from the LA/NO matchup? I would normally say any loss that includes KB but I'm not so sure... help
Thanks.... too many numbers spinning in my head...
Can someone explain exactly what happens if
1) we win and the lakers lose
2) we win and NO loses
3) we somehow dont win and lakers lose
4) we somehow dont win and NO loses
I am getting thrown off by the effects of the win column differences coupled with the loses....
And ultimately what is the preferred outcome (other than a Kings win) from the LA/NO matchup? I would normally say any loss that includes KB but I'm not so sure... help
Thanks.... too many numbers spinning in my head...
VF is right that minimizing losses is the most important thing for the Kings right now...but I'm also of the opinion that a NO loss is better for us. We just distanced ourselves from Utah a bit, and it would be nice to do the same with NO. We need to MAKE the playoffs before we can worry about which seed we get. Looking at our remaining schedule vs. the Lakers remaining schedule, I think it is unlikely for us to catch them for the 7th spot unless we go on a tear and the Lakers fall apart. Plus, the only tie-break we hold over the Lakers is our western conference record, and with us having quite a few games left against western conference playoff teams, that may change as well. I think the 8th slot is the most likely place for the Kings...
...but I'll take the 7th slot if we get it!
...but I'll take the 7th slot if we get it!
Tonight:
Hornets at Lakers - Well, Hornets are horrible since the all-star break, have lost their last two. I think they should get this though, and will be very hungry. Also think we have a very good chance to beat GS tonight.
Bobcats at Grizzlies - Probably one of the last couple times I'll need to include the Grizz in these posts. Grizz win.
Cavaliers at Rockets - I'd say this will be the last time I'll need to include the Rockets as the team in focus, maybe I have 1-2 times too many already. Cavs win for sure.
Hornets at Lakers - Well, Hornets are horrible since the all-star break, have lost their last two. I think they should get this though, and will be very hungry. Also think we have a very good chance to beat GS tonight.
Bobcats at Grizzlies - Probably one of the last couple times I'll need to include the Grizz in these posts. Grizz win.
Cavaliers at Rockets - I'd say this will be the last time I'll need to include the Rockets as the team in focus, maybe I have 1-2 times too many already
. Cavs win for sure.
Don't want to look pedantic but tie-breaker will be determined by division games before conference games. Right now Kings 7-4(could be 8-4 with tonight's win) with Lakers at 6-6. I guess Kings have two left with Clippers(2-0) and GS(1-1), one with Suns(2-1). Lakers have two left against Suns(0-2 so far) and one against GS(3-0) and Clips(1-2).