Petrie has something in works in next couple of days

ParniValjak

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Bottom line is that the Kings really need to make a "splash" this free agency and address that SF position that has been an issue since Metta left the building if nothing else just to rebuild what is clearly a fragile relationship with its fan base and Sacramento.

The big question is can these clowns afford to do that. Someone like Iggy will cost you $14 million per season over the next 2 years and will need to be re-signed to a pretty hefty contract in 2 years time. You also need to drop a max on Cousins and Tyreke if you are serious about improving and getting better.

Having said that, I am really keeping my expectations low on this one. We have been going through this cycle for 6 years now and every off-season so far has been a complete failure. I would be pleasantly surprised if this is any bigger than re-signing of T-Will to a bargain contract.
 
Glenn

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We are at the point of laughing at our front office but I think Petrie handled that well. I got from it that we ARE going to make some moves. Also, flexibility is code for keeping under the cap and with some big contracts coming up, that's OK. I know we can sign our own free agents and go over the cap but we have some players who are going to have some seriously big contracts and I don't blame the team for trying to stay away from Laker/Knicks kind of payrolls. I think we will make more than one deal between now and the season and that they will be more than shuffling bodies but actually help correct mistakes made in the past. To me, it is easy to see a trade to get a serious SF and keep away from what could be a folly in trying TRob at that position. I also think a PG is in the works and an upgrade at that position doesn't even have to be a huge money deal. We'll never shoot well enough to satisfy Petrie. :)
 
ParniValjak

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Glenn said:
We are at the point of laughing at our front office but I think Petrie handled that well. I got from it that we ARE going to make some moves. Also, flexibility is code for keeping under the cap and with some big contracts coming up, that's OK. I know we can sign our own free agents and go over the cap but we have some players who are going to have some seriously big contracts and I don't blame the team for trying to stay away from Laker/Knicks kind of payrolls. I think we will make more than one deal between now and the season and that they will be more than shuffling bodies but actually help correct mistakes made in the past. To me, it is easy to see a trade to get a serious SF and keep away from what could be a folly in trying TRob at that position. I also think a PG is in the works and an upgrade at that position doesn't even have to be a huge money deal. We'll never shoot well enough to satisfy Petrie. :)
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I do agree that flexibility is important especially considering that Tyreke and Cousins WILL get max offers. Well, Tyreke will get one from someone and we might or might not match but the point is that those 2 guys will be max money players.

Now there is a reasonable jump from $58 million (salary cap limit) to $74 million (luxury tax cut off). That is $16 million to play with. We have some what you would think bad deals on teh roster (Salmons, Hayes and possibly Outlaw). I am not including Garcia as he is an expiring contract. Teams that rebuild the right way, spend the salary cap room on free agents or getting players via trade that fit the roster (see OKC) and then used the ability to go over the cap to re-sign their main guys and still stay under the luxury tax treshold.

We are $6 million under cap which means we have $22 milion before the luxury tax treshold. Of course we are not going to and should not be spending all of that but we can spend say $10 million to address the needs. That leaves us with $12 million left over. Then next season Garcia comes off the books and that is increased to some $18 million to play with. Even if you re-sign Tyreke to the max deal you still have $8 million gap.

Our problem is not that we have not been spending money because we have been. Our problem is that we are not spending it in the right way or the right players for this team. With Salmons ($8M), Hayes ($5.5), Garcia ($6.2M) and Outlaw ($3M) we are on the hook for $22 million for next season alone. That is just under half of our current team salary. None of those guys are productive bench players let alone starters. With $22 million you can get 2 REALLY good starters or a very good starter and 2-3 really good bench players. We get neither for $22 million.

So every time we start talking free agency and spending money, I get nervous. REALLY nervous.
 
Nelson999

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Would be AMAZING if the kings could get Rudy Gay. Don't count on it though. And please don't trade away Thornton to get him. Thornton is basically our best player besides DMC.
 
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The current Kings don't make splashes in Free Agency or trades. Whatever moves they make, its nothing like what people mean by making a "splash". Petrie signings are more akin to the splash you get when you accidentally drop your toothbrush in the toilet.
 
ParniValjak

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swisshh said:
The current Kings don't make splashes in Free Agency or trades. Whatever moves they make, its nothing like what people mean by making a "splash". Petrie signings are more akin to the splash you get when you accidentally drop your toothbrush in the toilet.
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Sad but true! Last year we made a "splash" on John Salmons and Chuck Hayes, easily our 2 worst contracts.
 
rainmaker

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I'd be fine with Iggy or Prince, as long as Reke isn't involved. Reke needs a shot at a full year as a SG NEXT TO a legit NBA SF before sending him packing. I'd definitely prefer Iggy over Prince, but we can do a whole lot worse than Prince. Still an above average defender, would command respect even though he isn't an outgoing personality, decent spot up shooter, good passer and someone who wouldn't start eating up shots.

We've seen a few rumors lately that Petrie is targeting a SF, and also with the rumor that Wright wasn't enough of an upgrade, leads me to think Petrie is targeting a Prince/Iggy level player. Of course the question is can he pull it off, but I don't see how he says Wright isn't enough of an upgrade and instead we just bring back TWill, who's a SG who can create and rarely played any SF for us anyway, as much as some think he'd actually be a SF for us.

What scares me though and has been stated, is the backcourt creativity comment. As others have brought up, Petrie has quite the man crush on Brooks who I dislike more than most PG's. Last thing we need is a trigger happy, vertically challenged, non-defensive PG.

Also interesting his creativity comment comes after Jimmer's performances in summer league. Petrie probably thinks now more than ever he needs to get another PG in here and can't have Jimmer as the backup. But we also know Petrie doesn't consider IT a fulltime PG going forward, so I do wonder if he's talking about a backup PG to IT, or an upgrade moving IT to a bench spark. Calderon, if he's the target I could live with as the starting PG, although I don't like him that much, but he would be an upgrade and would quickly be our best PG at getting everyone involved in the halfcourt, without looking for his shot. He's also a very good spot up shooter from 15-23 ft, which would mesh very well with Cuz/Reke.

Will be interesting, but I'm done getting my hopes up.
 
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King Baller

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Calderon and Iggy would be an incredible upgrade for the Kings. Calderon is a top assists PG and Iggy is a defensive wizard on the wing.

Its almost too much to hope for:)

KB
 
ParniValjak

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rainmaker said:
I'd be fine with Iggy or Prince, as long as Reke isn't involved. Reke needs a shot at a full year as a SG NEXT TO a legit NBA SF before sending him packing. I'd definitely prefer Iggy over Prince, but we can do a whole lot worse than Prince. Still an above average defender, would command respect even though he isn't an outgoing personality, decent spot up shooter, good passer and someone who wouldn't start eating up shots.

We've seen a few rumors lately that Petrie is targeting a SF, and also with the rumor that Wright wasn't enough of an upgrade, leads me to think Petrie is targeting a Prince/Iggy level player. Of course the question is can he pull it off, but I don't see how he says Wright isn't enough of an upgrade and instead we just bring back TWill, who's a SG who can create and rarely played any SF for us anyway, as much as some think he'd actually be a SF for us.

What scares me though and has been stated, is the backcourt creativity comment. As others have brought up, Petrie has quite the man crush on Brooks who I dislike more than most PG's. Last thing we need is a trigger happy, vertically challenged, non-defensive PG.

Also interesting his creativity comment comes after Jimmer's performances in summer league. Petrie probably thinks now more than ever he needs to get another PG in here and can't have Jimmer as the backup. But we also know Petrie doesn't consider IT a fulltime PG going forward, so I do wonder if he's talking about a backup PG to IT, or an upgrade moving IT to a bench spark. Calderon, if he's the target I could live with as the starting PG, although I don't like him that much, but he would be an upgrade and would quickly be our best PG at getting everyone involved in the halfcourt, without looking for his shot. He's also a very good spot up shooter from 15-23 ft, which would mesh very well with Cuz/Reke.

Will be interesting, but I'm done getting my hopes up.
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Petrie never said that Wright was not much of an upgrade. Its something that Voison has implied and we all know when she implies something, she loves to portray it as the opinion of the organization. If true though, Petrie has pushed himself into a corner somewhat to make a deal for a legitimate SF. If it doesn't work out he can always re-sign T-Will and claim that Wright was not enough of an upgrade on what we had and that T-Will will bring similar production at lesser cost.

Every time we are mentioned as about to make a move, I get nervous because our intentions are driven by the financial bottom line and not exactly for improving the team. Its more like shifting chairs on a sinking ship.
 
HereWeBoogie

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Sac.1989 said:
would happily trade thornton to get gay. some one has to go if gays coming in and im not ready to give up on reke yet
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i dont wanna give up on Reke either, but we cant lose Thornton. the guy can score 25+ per night in the right system. plus if we give up out starting SG for a starting SF then now we have to replace thornton. and Reke is not a SG. he cant shoot the outside shot! you cant be a SHOOTING guard if you cant shoot!
 
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Reke 13 Havoc said:
i dont wanna give up on Reke either, but we cant lose Thornton. the guy can score 25+ per night in the right system. plus if we give up out starting SG for a starting SF then now we have to replace thornton. and Reke is not a SG. he cant shoot the outside shot! you cant be a SHOOTING guard if you cant shoot!
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Anthony1 is that you?

You can't be a point guard if you're not pointy.
 
ParniValjak

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Reke 13 Havoc said:
i dont wanna give up on Reke either, but we cant lose Thornton. the guy can score 25+ per night in the right system. plus if we give up out starting SG for a starting SF then now we have to replace thornton. and Reke is not a SG. he cant shoot the outside shot! you cant be a SHOOTING guard if you cant shoot!
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WTF?!

 
twslam07

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Reke 13 Havoc said:
i mean really how many 2 guards in the leage cant shoot long balls?
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This can't be serious. Who cares if a shooting guard can't shoot. What a rediculous statement. I guess Durant can't be a SMALL forward because he is so tall. I guess one must be powerful to be a POWER forward.

To answer your question though, Kobe shot 30%, Wade shot 27%, and Ellis shot 27% from 3. All are considered top 5 SGs in this league, but are not very efficient from 3. They can't possibly be shooting guards or at least successful shooting guards.
 
Glenn

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twslam07 said:
This can't be serious. Who cares if a shooting guard can't shoot. What a rediculous statement. I guess Durant can't be a SMALL forward because he is so tall. I guess one must be powerful to be a POWER forward.

To answer your question though, Kobe shot 30%, Wade shot 27%, and Ellis shot 27% from 3. All are considered top 5 SGs in this league, but are not very efficient from 3. They can't possibly be shooting guards or at least successful shooting guards.
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I am trying to figure out what a center needs to be. Maybe above nails it but if so, a lot of centers are not center.
 
Kingster

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rainmaker said:
I'd be fine with Iggy or Prince, as long as Reke isn't involved. Reke needs a shot at a full year as a SG NEXT TO a legit NBA SF before sending him packing. I'd definitely prefer Iggy over Prince, but we can do a whole lot worse than Prince. Still an above average defender, would command respect even though he isn't an outgoing personality, decent spot up shooter, good passer and someone who wouldn't start eating up shots.

We've seen a few rumors lately that Petrie is targeting a SF, and also with the rumor that Wright wasn't enough of an upgrade, leads me to think Petrie is targeting a Prince/Iggy level player. Of course the question is can he pull it off, but I don't see how he says Wright isn't enough of an upgrade and instead we just bring back TWill, who's a SG who can create and rarely played any SF for us anyway, as much as some think he'd actually be a SF for us.

What scares me though and has been stated, is the backcourt creativity comment. As others have brought up, Petrie has quite the man crush on Brooks who I dislike more than most PG's. Last thing we need is a trigger happy, vertically challenged, non-defensive PG.

Also interesting his creativity comment comes after Jimmer's performances in summer league. Petrie probably thinks now more than ever he needs to get another PG in here and can't have Jimmer as the backup. But we also know Petrie doesn't consider IT a fulltime PG going forward, so I do wonder if he's talking about a backup PG to IT, or an upgrade moving IT to a bench spark. Calderon, if he's the target I could live with as the starting PG, although I don't like him that much, but he would be an upgrade and would quickly be our best PG at getting everyone involved in the halfcourt, without looking for his shot. He's also a very good spot up shooter from 15-23 ft, which would mesh very well with Cuz/Reke.

Will be interesting, but I'm done getting my hopes up.
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The "more creativity in the backcourt" comment tells me: 1) He's obviously not enamored with Jimmer as a backup pg next year; 2) He doesn't like Tyreke in that position; 3) He doesn't like T-Will in that position. None of those guys are what one would call "creative" at this point in their careers. It doesn't necessarily tell me that IT would be a backup; maybe the new guy would be the backup. Petrie probably just figures he'll get another creative pg and let IT and Mr. X battle it out for minutes. At this point the only battle for minutes IT has is with Smart and his own stamina.
 
Kingster

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The comments of Petrie made it sound as if he is expecting that there are trades that will occur in the next week or so (e.g. Howard) that are going to occur, and then teams are going to be forced because of the cap to deal players they have on their roster. Did anybody else get that also?
 
Glenn

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Kingster said:
The comments of Petrie made it sound as if he is expecting that there are trades that will occur in the next week or so (e.g. Howard) that are going to occur, and then teams are going to be forced because of the cap to deal players they have on their roster. Did anybody else get that also?
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Not with all that detail but yes I got the impression a trade or two was in the works. We just traded a 2nd rounder for James so now there is one trade left.
 
Entity

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Well if you plan on moving a guy or two and your not trading for that position you have to make a prior move first right. I see Garcia or salmons gone by the end of the week
 
Circa_1985_Fan

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I look at the Johnson trade in the same light as what Petrie did quite some time ago when he got Darius Songaila. I think its a great utilization of dealing a 2nd rnd pick for a guy he thought could be doing so much more with his potential here than where he was. Low risk/possible high return trade. Are there more deals in the works??...Probably closer to training camp if there is.
 
'89 Kings Fan

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Reke 13 Havoc said:
i dont wanna give up on Reke either, but we cant lose Thornton. the guy can score 25+ per night in the right system. plus if we give up out starting SG for a starting SF then now we have to replace thornton. and Reke is not a SG. he cant shoot the outside shot! you cant be a SHOOTING guard if you cant shoot!
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Shooting is actually the easiest skill to teach.

Dahntay Jones G Min 3PT M A Pct
2007-08 SAC 25 08:11 0.0 0.2 16.7
2011-12 IND 65 16:11 0.5 1.2 42.9

I would rather keep the potential star in Evans, and see where he takes us. Thorton is our best trade piece to get a starting SF. He also seems to have Cuttino Mobley disease (no defense and only showing up in the 4th quarter.)
 
HereWeBoogie

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im not saying get rid of Evans, hes one of my favorite NBA players. i want thornton and evans both on this team, even if it means one is on the bench to start the game. im just saying he shouldnt be our starting 2.
 
Big Cuz 15

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Reke 13 Havoc said:
i dont wanna give up on Reke either, but we cant lose Thornton. the guy can score 25+ per night in the right system. plus if we give up out starting SG for a starting SF then now we have to replace thornton. and Reke is not a SG. he cant shoot the outside shot! you cant be a SHOOTING guard if you cant shoot!
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balance the roster with shooters at SF & PG
 
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