Peja needs to go
- Thread starter Elektrik
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Ah, good. Sarcasm from someone new to the board who apparently wants to earn some stripes. You? Hurt my feelings? You wish.
The bottom line is you've come here and attacked Pedja right from the beginning. You've made personal comments that are NOT allowed on this board. They stop now. You can criticize him all you want but if you make it personal the comment will be edited or deleted.
We expect and require that of all posters here at kingsfans.com. That's just the way it is and the way our members like it.
The bottom line is you've come here and attacked Pedja right from the beginning. You've made personal comments that are NOT allowed on this board. They stop now. You can criticize him all you want but if you make it personal the comment will be edited or deleted.
We expect and require that of all posters here at kingsfans.com. That's just the way it is and the way our members like it.
I also feel that Peja should be traded, AND he has been my favourite player forever, the fact of the matter is that he dosen't have desire or heart to play for this team,(You can see it out there most of the time) and there is no way that we are going to win a championship with a player that dosen't want to play for us, I'm very sad to say this because Peja is an amazing player, and I would give anything for him to want to play here, but its just not reality, and if we really want to make a run with this squad it has to be soon, and if a trade did happen were not going to be a terrible team because Peja is an All-Star, and Petrie would work crazy magic! I'm sry Peja...
He's not a ball handler (1 or 2) or an athletic front court player who can impose himself on the defenders, so yes he does not create his own shots/baskets in the most literal sense of the expression. But, to suggest that...
...is pure BS. What next, you will say that other four Kings have to not only set the screen and pass him the ball, but they have to carry him around the screen and lift his arms for the shot?
He never posted up in the literal sense (again, you made me repeat myself) he used to make more cutters and finish at the basket. Bricklayer has documented this well thorughout the season (grades threads) and it does appear that Pedja's movement (which generates almost all of his offense) is on again - off again this year.
We're all waiting with abaited breath. I don't think that Kings should hold onto Pedja no matter what. However, trading him now, in any realistic scenario (pick your own) would probably mean abandoning this season and retooling for the next one. With 12 days left before the deadline, shopping Pedja on his first statistically down year and recent back injury is probably not a Petrie thing (that is why he is the greatest GM in hte league). But you seem to have quit on Pedja and that's that. I think that you won't be happy until he's traded.
...is pure BS. What next, you will say that other four Kings have to not only set the screen and pass him the ball, but they have to carry him around the screen and lift his arms for the shot?
He never posted up in the literal sense (again, you made me repeat myself) he used to make more cutters and finish at the basket. Bricklayer has documented this well thorughout the season (grades threads) and it does appear that Pedja's movement (which generates almost all of his offense) is on again - off again this year.
We're all waiting with abaited breath. I don't think that Kings should hold onto Pedja no matter what. However, trading him now, in any realistic scenario (pick your own) would probably mean abandoning this season and retooling for the next one. With 12 days left before the deadline, shopping Pedja on his first statistically down year and recent back injury is probably not a Petrie thing (that is why he is the greatest GM in hte league). But you seem to have quit on Pedja and that's that. I think that you won't be happy until he's traded.
And that pretty much sums up the whole situation, I think.
We'll all know in just 12 more days.
12 looooooooong days.
12 days that will seem longer than the 12 days before Christmas or the birthday when you just know you're going to finally get that car!
12 days that might well be Plutonian in nature.
We'll all know in just 12 more days.
12 looooooooong days.
12 days that will seem longer than the 12 days before Christmas or the birthday when you just know you're going to finally get that car!
12 days that might well be Plutonian in nature.
OptimusRhyme said:
I also feel that Peja should be traded, AND he has been my favourite player forever, the fact of the matter is that he dosen't have desire or heart to play for this team,(You can see it out there most of the time) and there is no way that we are going to win a championship with a player that dosen't want to play for us, I'm very sad to say this because Peja is an amazing player, and I would give anything for him to want to play here, but its just not reality, and if we really want to make a run with this squad it has to be soon, and if a trade did happen were not going to be a terrible team because Peja is an All-Star, and Petrie would work crazy magic! I'm sry Peja...
I have watched EVERY SINGLE GAME this year and I haven't seen a player who is dejected, unhappy, etc. when Pedja has played. The comments he made in the summer AND the article that was posted on B92 nothwithstanding, Pedja has been involved and participating. At the games I've attended in person I've watched very carefully. He isn't sitting alone, away from his teammates and not interacting. He's animated, he's definitely part of the team.
I honestly think people who try and attribute feelings to Pedja about his lack of heart, desire, etc. do him a great disservice. If he still wants a trade, it's something you certainly cannot ascertain from his on-court actions.
I'm basing my opinion on the games I have seen, I've probably only got too watch 30-35 or so, but, in those games which I have watched I have noticed a difference in him, in his movement on the court, in his effort, and i'm not just trying to come back at you, but honestly when you look at him, he isn't the same player as last year, and I don't know if that has to do with Chris Webber getting the ball everytime down the floor or the trade demands, but as far as I can see there is something wrong with Peja this year.
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I don't really disagree with those points. I do disagree with the fact that he hasn't improved every year on some point of his game. I don't expect him to improve every aspect in one off season.
I agree he still cannot create his own shot, I agree at times he doesn't demand the ball and I agree that for the most part he needs to be set up to get his shot. With that said and as I said he has improved every year and worked on certain aspects of his game. IMO its not a 1 year or 3 year project he has shown steady improvement and thats what I am looking at.
I agree he still cannot create his own shot, I agree at times he doesn't demand the ball and I agree that for the most part he needs to be set up to get his shot. With that said and as I said he has improved every year and worked on certain aspects of his game. IMO its not a 1 year or 3 year project he has shown steady improvement and thats what I am looking at.
I'll Tell You Where Peja Needs To Go ....
He needs to go crazy from the 3-pt land !!!!
He needs to go BALLISTIC upside our opponents perimiter defense !!!
He needs to go SPLISH-SPLASH ... no holding back !!!
He needs to go DRAININ' & RAININ' 3's the Peja-Vu way !!!
I have no doubts ... PEJA WILL PREVAIL
He needs to go crazy from the 3-pt land !!!!
He needs to go BALLISTIC upside our opponents perimiter defense !!!
He needs to go SPLISH-SPLASH ... no holding back !!!
He needs to go DRAININ' & RAININ' 3's the Peja-Vu way !!!
I have no doubts ... PEJA WILL PREVAIL
I think he does want to play for the team. Seeing him on the sidelines during the games, he isn't isolated. He's part of the team. He's adjusting to a lot of things, including the loss of Vlade, his back problems, his new son, etc. My personal belief is that people do him a big disservice when they say he's not playing with heart, etc.
Pedja is Pedja. He has his own driving force and it may not be anything the rest of us would recognize as motivation. I agree with those who applaud his tenacity on defense. That is HUGE, especially for a team that has big gaping holes in that respect. If he adapts and becomes more of a defensive presence, we can afford for him not to get as many points as he did before. It's not like we don't have shooters.
For some, the fact he hasn't retracted his trade demand from the off-season means he's still wanting to leave. My take is that as long as he does his best on the court and doesn't whine to the media, he's helping the Kings. That's what is important to me.
If we trade him, it will be because it is best for the Kings. I have the utmost faith in Geoff Petrie to do whatever it takes to keep the players he thinks will help us the most and get rid of those, no matter how painful, he feels can be replaced with others more suited to meet the team's needs. The Cuttino-Doug trade is a prime example of that.
I love this team. I think Pedja does, too. He just may not be able to show it the way some others can because it's not in his nature.
Pedja is Pedja. He has his own driving force and it may not be anything the rest of us would recognize as motivation. I agree with those who applaud his tenacity on defense. That is HUGE, especially for a team that has big gaping holes in that respect. If he adapts and becomes more of a defensive presence, we can afford for him not to get as many points as he did before. It's not like we don't have shooters.
For some, the fact he hasn't retracted his trade demand from the off-season means he's still wanting to leave. My take is that as long as he does his best on the court and doesn't whine to the media, he's helping the Kings. That's what is important to me.
If we trade him, it will be because it is best for the Kings. I have the utmost faith in Geoff Petrie to do whatever it takes to keep the players he thinks will help us the most and get rid of those, no matter how painful, he feels can be replaced with others more suited to meet the team's needs. The Cuttino-Doug trade is a prime example of that.
I love this team. I think Pedja does, too. He just may not be able to show it the way some others can because it's not in his nature.
VF21 said:
I think he does want to play for the team. Seeing him on the sidelines during the games, he isn't isolated. He's part of the team. He's adjusting to a lot of things, including the loss of Vlade, his back problems, his new son, etc. My personal belief is that people do him a big disservice when they say he's not playing with heart, etc.
Pedja is Pedja. He has his own driving force and it may not be anything the rest of us would recognize as motivation. I agree with those who applaud his tenacity on defense. That is HUGE, especially for a team that has big gaping holes in that respect. If he adapts and becomes more of a defensive presence, we can afford for him not to get as many points as he did before. It's not like we don't have shooters.
For some, the fact he hasn't retracted his trade demand from the off-season means he's still wanting to leave. My take is that as long as he does his best on the court and doesn't whine to the media, he's helping the Kings. That's what is important to me.
If we trade him, it will be because it is best for the Kings. I have the utmost faith in Geoff Petrie to do whatever it takes to keep the players he thinks will help us the most and get rid of those, no matter how painful, he feels can be replaced with others more suited to meet the team's needs. The Cuttino-Doug trade is a prime example of that.
I love this team. I think Pedja does, too. He just may not be able to show it the way some others can because it's not in his nature.
Pedja is Pedja. He has his own driving force and it may not be anything the rest of us would recognize as motivation. I agree with those who applaud his tenacity on defense. That is HUGE, especially for a team that has big gaping holes in that respect. If he adapts and becomes more of a defensive presence, we can afford for him not to get as many points as he did before. It's not like we don't have shooters.
For some, the fact he hasn't retracted his trade demand from the off-season means he's still wanting to leave. My take is that as long as he does his best on the court and doesn't whine to the media, he's helping the Kings. That's what is important to me.
If we trade him, it will be because it is best for the Kings. I have the utmost faith in Geoff Petrie to do whatever it takes to keep the players he thinks will help us the most and get rid of those, no matter how painful, he feels can be replaced with others more suited to meet the team's needs. The Cuttino-Doug trade is a prime example of that.
I love this team. I think Pedja does, too. He just may not be able to show it the way some others can because it's not in his nature.
VF21 said:
I think he does want to play for the team. Seeing him on the sidelines during the games, he isn't isolated. He's part of the team. He's adjusting to a lot of things, including the loss of Vlade, his back problems, his new son, etc. My personal belief is that people do him a big disservice when they say he's not playing with heart, etc.
Pedja is Pedja. He has his own driving force and it may not be anything the rest of us would recognize as motivation. I agree with those who applaud his tenacity on defense. That is HUGE, especially for a team that has big gaping holes in that respect. If he adapts and becomes more of a defensive presence, we can afford for him not to get as many points as he did before. It's not like we don't have shooters.
For some, the fact he hasn't retracted his trade demand from the off-season means he's still wanting to leave. My take is that as long as he does his best on the court and doesn't whine to the media, he's helping the Kings. That's what is important to me.
If we trade him, it will be because it is best for the Kings. I have the utmost faith in Geoff Petrie to do whatever it takes to keep the players he thinks will help us the most and get rid of those, no matter how painful, he feels can be replaced with others more suited to meet the team's needs. The Cuttino-Doug trade is a prime example of that.
I love this team. I think Pedja does, too. He just may not be able to show it the way some others can because it's not in his nature.
Pedja is Pedja. He has his own driving force and it may not be anything the rest of us would recognize as motivation. I agree with those who applaud his tenacity on defense. That is HUGE, especially for a team that has big gaping holes in that respect. If he adapts and becomes more of a defensive presence, we can afford for him not to get as many points as he did before. It's not like we don't have shooters.
For some, the fact he hasn't retracted his trade demand from the off-season means he's still wanting to leave. My take is that as long as he does his best on the court and doesn't whine to the media, he's helping the Kings. That's what is important to me.
If we trade him, it will be because it is best for the Kings. I have the utmost faith in Geoff Petrie to do whatever it takes to keep the players he thinks will help us the most and get rid of those, no matter how painful, he feels can be replaced with others more suited to meet the team's needs. The Cuttino-Doug trade is a prime example of that.
I love this team. I think Pedja does, too. He just may not be able to show it the way some others can because it's not in his nature.