Peja needs to go
- Thread starter Elektrik
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I don't think you play the defense he has all season and not be trying hard (To me defense has always been 90% hustle and determination 10% skills). Or talk stategies to your teammates on how you can get open as he was today.Peja is who he is. This year, I think people are just using what happened in the offseason to mask what has really been going on his whole career. He has not had a great year offensively, althought he is avg. 20 pts, but everything else has been pretty much the same to me.
Peja may be soft but webbr and cuttino are headcases.Webber hit a 3 pointer to put the game into overtime against the rockets he beat the bucks with a game winner but when has chric webber won a game or came up big when it really counts be it NCAA championship game or a Big game against the spurs this season or any other games that he has won as a so called superstar player for his TEAM in a Big game.What about his headcase free throws tonight you missed those did you.What about his poor play making down the stretch.He really was iced at the free throw line because nellie called the timeout to get in his head.
The kings have enough shooters with cuttino maybe.But cuttino has not helped the kings win one Big game since he has been a king.They have played the spurs with cuttino Suns,Sonics,and mavericks all losses no wins against the top TEAMS.The jury is still out on whether cuttino is the replacement shooter to peja because he still hasn't shown he is a factor in a Big game yet.His playmaking in crunch time is not Good and he forces shots goes 1 on 4 with 16,17 seconds into the shot clock.Between cuttino and webber the kings have a double headed monster of self exalted poor crunch time play makers in Big games.The combination of the Two is scary and will continue to be this way unless everyone from top to bottom takes responsibilty for their personal actions and how these actions effect the TEAM.It's not one player who has loose screws all of them can fix something with their games.
THE whole Team is at fault here not just peja because he fazes out during the playoffs and he is soft which he is.He is a very soft player.But webber is a HEADCASE and he's been one since college he displayed some of it tonight missing 2 free throws in CRUNCH TIME and cuttino mobley is another HEAD TRIP making bad passes forcing shots poor clock manager etc etc.
The whole team must make improvments and look in the mirror not just peja because he is soft.
The kings have enough shooters with cuttino maybe.But cuttino has not helped the kings win one Big game since he has been a king.They have played the spurs with cuttino Suns,Sonics,and mavericks all losses no wins against the top TEAMS.The jury is still out on whether cuttino is the replacement shooter to peja because he still hasn't shown he is a factor in a Big game yet.His playmaking in crunch time is not Good and he forces shots goes 1 on 4 with 16,17 seconds into the shot clock.Between cuttino and webber the kings have a double headed monster of self exalted poor crunch time play makers in Big games.The combination of the Two is scary and will continue to be this way unless everyone from top to bottom takes responsibilty for their personal actions and how these actions effect the TEAM.It's not one player who has loose screws all of them can fix something with their games.
THE whole Team is at fault here not just peja because he fazes out during the playoffs and he is soft which he is.He is a very soft player.But webber is a HEADCASE and he's been one since college he displayed some of it tonight missing 2 free throws in CRUNCH TIME and cuttino mobley is another HEAD TRIP making bad passes forcing shots poor clock manager etc etc.
The whole team must make improvments and look in the mirror not just peja because he is soft.
I wish Peja would have taken the last shot tonight, even though he had that guy way up in his face. I want C-Webb to say to Peja, "I want you to take the game winning shot next time." or something. And Peja would be all like, "Umm, ok, if you say so." And then he does take the shot next time, and he makes it, and then he's like, "Wow!! I have awesome basketball skills" and its a huge boost to his confidence, and he starts averaging 35 points per game. And then He gets double teamed a lot so he's like, "Yo, C-Webb, I'm double teamed, go do something funky with the ball" and so C-Webb goes like, "Uh huh suckapunch" and then C-Webb starts throwing down mad crazy dunks and hook shots, and even an ocassionaly 3 point hook shot. And then C-Webb gets like quadruple team and he's like, "Yo, yo, Bibbs, go do your thing," and passes Bibby the ball. And Bibby's all like, "OH YEAH" and he gets the ball and runs all over the place and starts getting like 20 assists per game and he goes on a hot date with Steve Nash's mom just so he can have the upper hand on him when they start trash talking. And then Steve Nash's mom makes lemonade and its the best lemonade ever and I get to have some and its super good, like super sour because thats how lemonade is supposed to be.
Anyways, thats what would happen in a perfect world. Oh yeah and Brad would get like 16 rebounds per game just cuz he's that pumped up that they're playing that good. And Cuttino would win the rookie of the year award just cuz.
Anyways, thats what would happen in a perfect world. Oh yeah and Brad would get like 16 rebounds per game just cuz he's that pumped up that they're playing that good. And Cuttino would win the rookie of the year award just cuz.
well said brick, I was gonna respond to that insightful analysis, glad I didn't. So back to the question at hand. Is Peja so soft as to merit trading??? Kind of begs two issues. Trade for whom? Second is a bit more long winded. The Kings are troupe of role-cast players in search of a greater outcome. "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" thing. That seems to be the strategy that Petrie brings to the table. So if Peja, or any other player, demonstrates a consistent lack of performance in their role, sure - find a better role player. What does Peja need? A better help defender(s) alongside him. More consistent inside play to free him up. He runs well, provides great distraction for the opposition, can absolutely torche a team, passes well? (OK, "well" may be an exageration). I guess this rant has less to do with trading Peja, or even whether he is soft (which he is) - it is about the witches brew of talent, role playing, chemistry, coaching, timing, that concoct NBA success (champions). On any given night, we have all of the ingredients. All we can hope for is a consistent mixture. Just because one player is flat for a night doesn't absolve the remaining eleven (plus the coaching staff) to make adjustments. But alas, we only seem to adjust when someone is not available due to injury or suspension.
Peja is soft in a sense that his strengths and weaknesses mirror that of his teammates. A change at his positition is the only viable option I see. Webber can't go, Miller can't, and Bibby can't. Plus Peja stated he wanted a trade, and even though I don't know his exact mindset now, I do know he has not said otherwise.
IMHO I disagree. Defense is 33% hustle, 33% skill, and 33% athleticism. I used to think that it was 90/10. But if it were that easy many more players would be excellent defenders. I see it like shooting, passing, rebounding. You either have the abilty to do it consistantly or you don't. You also cant go all out all the time defenively or you'll tank will be bone dry come playoff time.
I believe we have the skill and the hustle (in the playoffs) but we dot have the athleticism inside.
Give this a rest!!!
We lost to SA(I believe twice), Minny Seatlle and we beat Phoenix with Doug. I'm not sure what your point is and quite frankly in some of the games we have won with Cuttino we would have lost if Christie would have been in there. In that win against Phoenix we also had Bobby Jackson.
We lost to SA(I believe twice), Minny Seatlle and we beat Phoenix with Doug. I'm not sure what your point is and quite frankly in some of the games we have won with Cuttino we would have lost if Christie would have been in there. In that win against Phoenix we also had Bobby Jackson.
Peja looks like he's somewhere else. Physically present but...
He doesn't look involved in the team anymore. He really seems to care less. Hes still scoring though but hes not having those performances that lift the team over the opponent. Such a strange feeling.
Other than that I just feel like if we were having BJax healthy right now, our record wouldn't be that bad. Don't you feel so?
(I didn't even talk about the refs cuz it's no longer a X factor for the team
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He doesn't look involved in the team anymore. He really seems to care less. Hes still scoring though but hes not having those performances that lift the team over the opponent. Such a strange feeling.
Other than that I just feel like if we were having BJax healthy right now, our record wouldn't be that bad. Don't you feel so?
(I didn't even talk about the refs cuz it's no longer a X factor for the team
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Pretty much reading the first page so if someone has said this than I am sorry..
He has seemed out of sorts ALL year. and I have been flaming him about it. It just does not seem like he wants to be here and his play reflects it.
Kind of the same thing when I hate the place I work for.. I will be happy, and OK some of the days, but others I will ust be worse than anyone possibly could think I could ever be..
He has seemed out of sorts ALL year. and I have been flaming him about it. It just does not seem like he wants to be here and his play reflects it.
Kind of the same thing when I hate the place I work for.. I will be happy, and OK some of the days, but others I will ust be worse than anyone possibly could think I could ever be..
In a Team game like Basketball everyone must be held accountable for their actions on the court.Everyone is at fault you cannot focus on one player's mental weakness for being soft and ignore another players mental weakness for missing clutch free throws averaging high numbers of turnovers and not making Good crunch time plays when it counts.Good coaches from the past and into the present make the super star players all the way down to the role players held accountable for their actions and how these actions effect the TEAMS chances at winning and losing.It's cool you have a tight nit bunch and everyone agrees and know one Begs the differ but how many Good TEAMS from the past and future have everyone just agree.You can go down the Basketball archives and you will see most of the Dynasty teams had players and coaches both who didn't really agree on everything but a certain energy a certain skill was valued between the players and coaches respectively.
I don't get it but I feel if you are going to talk about how peja is so buttery and soft you have to look at some of the other players with issues and hang ups.You guy's are tight nit group so I will respect that and just leave like that.PEACE
I don't get it but I feel if you are going to talk about how peja is so buttery and soft you have to look at some of the other players with issues and hang ups.You guy's are tight nit group so I will respect that and just leave like that.PEACE