Patterson and Jimmer (or IT) for Derrick Williams

[ockingsfan]

Looking at the kings and wolves roster, we have excess power forwards (Patterson, Landry, Thompson, and Hayes. The wolves have excess small forwards, (Derrick Williams, shabazz Muhammad, chase budinger, and Corey brewer).

Why the kings do it: the kings trade Patterson and jimmer (or IT) for derrick Williams. The kings get a former number 2 pick who has not lived upto high expectations and has been played out of position at power forward with the wolves for 2 years. He has great size and athleticism for the small forward spot and still has untapped potential. I would rather trade chuck Hayes, because he was an adelman favorite in Houston, but I doubt the wolves want his salary. Jimmer or IT may need to be added to sweeten the pot.

Why the wolves do it: the wolves are thin at power forward and Kevin Love is constantly hurt. Patterson give them a good backup stretch 4, when Love is injured or out of the game. If they opt for Hayes, they have a backup 4 or 5 that was an adelman favorite in Houston. Jimmer or IT would give them shooting and scoring off the bench.

Kings depth chart:

thompson/ landry/ outlaw
williams/ mhba moute/ salmons
dmc/ Hayes/ fa
mcclemore/ thornton
vasquez/ IT/ mccallum

 

[Darth Divac]

No. Williams, while a decent player, his nothing that this team needs.

 

[cuad]

Not sure I'm convinced that Derrick Williams is a wing player, but I never watched him play anyway...

 

[bajaden]

At the moment, I'm not sure that Williams is a better player than Patterson. Which means, I'm not sure I would trade Patterson straight up for Williams much less throw in IT or Jimmer. I liked Williams coming out of college, and he may well turn into a good player. But so far, no!

 

[ockingsfan]

At the moment, I'm not sure that Williams is a better player than Patterson. Which means, I'm not sure I would trade Patterson straight up for Williams much less throw in IT or Jimmer. I liked Williams coming out of college, and he may well turn into a good player. But so far, no!

The problem is the kings have a log jam at Power Forward and only one small forward and I think Patterson is the odd man out.

Landry was PDA's guy.
Thompson is valuable because he can play PF and Center.
Chuck Hayes is near untradable, unless we get lucky and Adelman really wants his former warrior in the paint from Houston.
Patterson is the most tradable player and the new FO just signed an older clone of him in Landry for 4yrs/27mil.

I think Williams is worth the gamble, Maybe if we included Jimmer, we can get back a 2nd round pick.

 

[hrdboild]

Cousins is talking about playing PF also, which is something to consider. It would probably be easier to find a shotblocker/defensive specialist at the C position than the PF position. At that point you're looking more for depth on the wing and a guy like Williams who could play both forward positions becomes possibly a better fit depth-wise than Patterson does off the bench. The issue is balancing playing time for him though. You want Mbah A Moute to play substantial minutes for defensive reasons and Williams hasn't really been successful so far as a role-player off the bench. If you really want to see if Williams has a future or not I think you have to give him big minutes at SF for a season and see if he produces like Tobias Harris did. Maybe you play Mbah A Moute at PF this season in that case? Not an ideal fit, but I don't think we have much to lose. We're in talent acquisition mode again anyway. Also Patterson is an expiring contract and Williams has 2 years left. And I'll go on record as saying Williams has more talent than Jimmer and Patterson put together.

 

[Nikolizzle]

Patterson could make the switch the SF position, just sayin'.

 

[Bricklayer]

People remain fascinated by Derrick Williams I guess just because of his draft position. Maybe we can chase Wesley Johnson too. And Thomas Robinson.

Found out the hard way he doesn't have an NBA position.

 

[hrdboild]

It has nothing to do with draft position and everything to do with talent. Even in college, you could see that Williams was special. Johnson had one good season as a fourth year senior, Williams was one of the best players in the country as a sophomore. Also Williams is 22 and Johnson is 26. You're going to tell me that you already know who Williams is as an NBA player after 2 seasons coming off the bench for a coach who's notoriously distrustful of rookies?

Peja Stojakovic:
Year 1 21.4mpg 8.4ppg 3.0rpg 1.5apg 0.9spg 0.1 bpg 1.1topg
Year 2 23.6mpg 11.9ppg 3.7rpg 1.4apg 0.7spg 0.1bpg 1.2topg
Year 3 38.7mpg 20.4ppg 5.8rpg 2.2apg 1.2spg 0.2bpg 1.9topg

Derrick Williams:
Year 1 21.5mpg 8.8ppg 4.7rpg 0.6apg 0.5spg 0.5bpg 1.2topg
Year 2 24.6mpg 12.0ppg 5.5rpg 0.6apg 0.6spg 0.5bpg 1.3topg
Year 3 ?

Identifying under-appreciated talent and acquiring it before it gets unacquirable is what building a sports team is all about. Any armchair GM can pick out the breakout talent after they've blown up. Just because other people see something you don't doesn't mean you have to automatically dismiss that opinion as irrational.

 

[ElRey]

Derrick Williams has got talent. Patterson and Jimmer are both bench players who won't get much playing time. I would make that trade in a heartbeat.

 

[Darth Divac]

It has nothing to do with draft position and everything to do with talent. Even in college, you could see that Williams was special. Johnson had one good season as a fourth year senior, Williams was one of the best players in the country as a sophomore. Also Williams is 22 and Johnson is 26. You're going to tell me that you already know who Williams is as an NBA player after 2 seasons coming off the bench for a coach who's notoriously distrustful of rookies?

Peja Stojakovic:
Year 1 21.4mpg 8.4ppg 3.0rpg 1.5apg 0.9spg 0.1 bpg 1.1topg
Year 2 23.6mpg 11.9ppg 3.7rpg 1.4apg 0.7spg 0.1bpg 1.2topg
Year 3 38.7mpg 20.4ppg 5.8rpg 2.2apg 1.2spg 0.2bpg 1.9topg

Derrick Williams:
Year 1 21.5mpg 8.8ppg 4.7rpg 0.6apg 0.5spg 0.5bpg 1.2topg
Year 2 24.6mpg 12.0ppg 5.5rpg 0.6apg 0.6spg 0.5bpg 1.3topg
Year 3 ?

Identifying under-appreciated talent and acquiring it before it gets unacquirable is what building a sports team is all about. Any armchair GM can pick out the breakout talent after they've blown up. Just because other people see something you don't doesn't mean you have to automatically dismiss that opinion as irrational.

I totally agree with this. Williams is a talented player, and he has the potential to be so much more than he is now. At the same time, we already have a tremendous talent on this team who requires less development, and Williams brings a skill set that conflicts with his.

 

[ockingsfan]

It has nothing to do with draft position and everything to do with talent. Even in college, you could see that Williams was special. Johnson had one good season as a fourth year senior, Williams was one of the best players in the country as a sophomore. Also Williams is 22 and Johnson is 26. You're going to tell me that you already know who Williams is as an NBA player after 2 seasons coming off the bench for a coach who's notoriously distrustful of rookies?

Peja Stojakovic:
Year 1 21.4mpg 8.4ppg 3.0rpg 1.5apg 0.9spg 0.1 bpg 1.1topg
Year 2 23.6mpg 11.9ppg 3.7rpg 1.4apg 0.7spg 0.1bpg 1.2topg
Year 3 38.7mpg 20.4ppg 5.8rpg 2.2apg 1.2spg 0.2bpg 1.9topg

Derrick Williams:
Year 1 21.5mpg 8.8ppg 4.7rpg 0.6apg 0.5spg 0.5bpg 1.2topg
Year 2 24.6mpg 12.0ppg 5.5rpg 0.6apg 0.6spg 0.5bpg 1.3topg
Year 3 ?

Identifying under-appreciated talent and acquiring it before it gets unacquirable is what building a sports team is all about. Any armchair GM can pick out the breakout talent after they've blown up. Just because other people see something you don't doesn't mean you have to automatically dismiss that opinion as irrational.

I agree. If Minnesota does not see a future for him, since they are acquiring small forwards by the boat load and have no intentions of letting Kevin Love go, maybe they would be willing to trade Williams now for two very serviceable players in Patterson and Jimmer (or IT). Patterson can definitely start if KLove gets injured again and Jimmer gives Adelman another long range bomber, which he always loves.

Williams was a beast in the NCAA tournament and he still has untapped potential in the NBA as a starting Small Forward.

If only Adelman could get the Wolves GM to bite on Chuck Hayes, instead of Patterson. After all, they still have not resigned their starting center, Pecovic (sp?) yet and Chuck can back up both PF and C.

 

[The_Jamal]

At the moment, I'm not sure that Williams is a better player than Patterson. Which means, I'm not sure I would trade Patterson straight up for Williams much less throw in IT or Jimmer. I liked Williams coming out of college, and he may well turn into a good player. But so far, no!

Williams can play SF though, which is a pretty important for us

 

[KingMilz]

If Derrick William is the starting SF than I say yes to the trade one of the PF's has to go (I would prefer if Patterson stayed) and Derrick Williams is a explosive athlete who at times can shoot and give us good size at the position. Hopefully the Twolves are willing to give up on him.

 

[upinsmoke]

For either JT or Hayes the trade can be done and if Adelmen can convince the front office he can work with Chuck for less than half the price (pek) then maybe a deal can get done.

 

[CruzDude]

It has nothing to do with draft position and everything to do with talent. Even in college, you could see that Williams was special. Johnson had one good season as a fourth year senior, Williams was one of the best players in the country as a sophomore. Also Williams is 22 and Johnson is 26. You're going to tell me that you already know who Williams is as an NBA player after 2 seasons coming off the bench for a coach who's notoriously distrustful of rookies?

Peja Stojakovic:
Year 1 21.4mpg 8.4ppg 3.0rpg 1.5apg 0.9spg 0.1 bpg 1.1topg
Year 2 23.6mpg 11.9ppg 3.7rpg 1.4apg 0.7spg 0.1bpg 1.2topg
Year 3 38.7mpg 20.4ppg 5.8rpg 2.2apg 1.2spg 0.2bpg 1.9topg

Derrick Williams:
Year 1 21.5mpg 8.8ppg 4.7rpg 0.6apg 0.5spg 0.5bpg 1.2topg
Year 2 24.6mpg 12.0ppg 5.5rpg 0.6apg 0.6spg 0.5bpg 1.3topg
Year 3 ?

Identifying under-appreciated talent and acquiring it before it gets unacquirable is what building a sports team is all about. Any armchair GM can pick out the breakout talent after they've blown up. Just because other people see something you don't doesn't mean you have to automatically dismiss that opinion as irrational.

An interesting view now 4 months later that lends credence to the trade, on offensive SF for a defensive SF on a team lacking offense from its SF's.

 

[hrdboild]

An interesting view now 4 months later that lends credence to the trade, on offensive SF for a defensive SF on a team lacking offense from its SF's.

Yeah, when you look out how ineffective our forwards have been at scoring the ball so far, it makes sense why Pete thought we needed to make a change like this now. I've been stumping for Williams for awhile. It's pretty rare that a team I root for makes a move that I've been calling for months in advance. Last time I remember it happening was when the A's traded for Milton Bradley and signed Frank Thomas in the same off-season. They made it all the way to the AL Championship Series that year. Just sayin.