Pacers' O'Neal Wants Bonzi

AleksandarN · Dec 14, 2005

foretaz said:

lol good one. How about Ronnie asking for a trade before talking to Walsh and Bird thus underminding his trade value I think you could call that screwing over the franchise.

Or how about wanting to quit the team to premote his recorde label and album. I guess that is not screwing over the franchise either.

BMiller52 · Dec 14, 2005

foretaz said:

simple question....u have ur dream job in ur dream location to an organization that u feel a tremendous amount of loyalty to...and u are incredibly talented and noone puts forth more effort or works harder for that organization...and despite all this, u decide u simply cannot under any circumstances work for that organization anymore....

i know ur not in tune with all the intertwinings that go on in the pacers organization and probably view from a distance...but be assured of one thing....ron isnt screwing the pacers organization over....he simply has no choice...i dont expect u to fully understand, but just ask urself the question, why would a guy have his dream scenario yet demand to be traded?....

hint, it aint because hes crazy...

hint number 2....reggie miller said on national tv...ron artest is not the bad egg on the pacer team...

good luck...

Who is it then? Jermaine? Fred Jones? Yup must be fred cuz his name is fred and all...

foretaz · Dec 14, 2005

Bricklayer said:

not the intent brick....ron has issues....the way he handled the situation was inappropriate...and not unlike others, ron does lots of wrong things...this was wrong...but not that surprising...why???

for a number of reasons....ron has impulse reaction problems...think about the brawl....ron doesnt always react the way he needs to...not that we all dont...but his is different..hes bipolar...but anyway...he reacts....shall we say inappropriately sometimes....

people demand trades...its not that unheard of....and they dont do it because theyre crazy...if we are truly interested in a situation like this, u have to ask urself why are people doing wht they are doing...not just take their actions and react to them....

so ron was wrong...his reaction was wrong....but what in the world was he reacting too, that he would react like this...this wasnt a beer thrown at him...what was it???

that seems to have gotten lost in all this circus....and if uve been around and watched closely this isnt the first type of thing from this team...not even close....

BibityBobtyBoom · Dec 14, 2005

but didn't that team win more games than we are now.

kennadog · Dec 14, 2005

AleksandarN said:

Or missing games (seasons) because he simply can't control his temper. He could be the next great thing on the court...but he has to be on the court. That also screws over the team.

Truthfully, if this trade were possible, I'd have really mixed feelings. I know the level of talent Artest represents.

We may not know all about the Pacers organization, but Indiana fans also know very little about Sacramento and the Kings organization. Indiana has a beautiful arena, they aren't in danger of losing their team to another city. If Artest fails to really toe the line and anything like prior incidents happen while Ron's a King, that could be the last nail in the coffin here. The situation is that fragile, if not already broken.

As to Indiana fans really knowing about Bonzi's past because he's from Indiana, what makes you think you know everything about Ron then? I guess New Yorkers can claim to know Ron much better than Indiana fans, so we should really be talking to them instead of you?

kennadog · Dec 14, 2005

foretaz said:

Sorry, but most other people don't make as many mistakes or make as many bad decisions as Ron. And that's the problem. I understand he has problems and I feel for the guy. But his problems cause a lot of problems for other people.

Mr. S£im Citrus · Dec 14, 2005

AleksandarN said:

hmmm.....
Not really.

foretaz · Dec 14, 2005

AleksandarN said:

i have zero interest in getting into a back and forth...but this never happened...not at all...if u believe this, then ur getting caught up in the medias desire to sensationalize...simple as that...

foretaz · Dec 14, 2005

kennadog said:

lol...wow...i wish i hung out with the people u do then....biggest difference between ron and most others are his makes world news tonite....after the brawl, nothing will ever be the same for him.....

and yes, prudent is not an adjective to describe him...

kingsfan916 · Dec 14, 2005

Hell No! We aint giving Bonzi!

Kings113 · Dec 14, 2005

foretaz is right, it didn't happen. Rick/Artest talked on the side and worked it out. Eventually in 2005, Ron got people to do that for him so he can concentrate on 'Ball, as said on Quite Frankly in the summer.

SacTownKid · Dec 14, 2005

foretaz said:

That and they end up behind bars. Ron has $$$. He won't.

OptimusRhyme · Dec 14, 2005

Get friggan Ron Artest on this team. I think people are too down on Artest, yah he punched a fan in the face, but so did Jermaine O'neal & Stephen Jackson, no ones on there backs. I understand that he's made bad descisions, but sometimes all it takes is a scenery change and you get a whole different person, For instance look at Bonzi this year, he's been nothing but positive towards this team, Look at Rasheed Wallace when he went to the Pistons, nothing but positive. Ron is a great player and we all know we could use his defence and toughness on this damn team. Maybe teams would stop taking advantage of us like were a bunch of soft pansies if we had a guy like Ron on the team.

Kings113 · Dec 14, 2005

Ron to Sac for Peja (I like Peja too)? - I'm for it.

foretaz · Dec 14, 2005

SacTownKid said:

lol...ur either grossly misinformed or doing a poor job of trying to be funny...

either way, ill check out of this....seems truth and rational thinking have become a distant memory where this subject is concerned....

SoupIsGood · Dec 14, 2005

foretaz said:

simple question....u have ur dream job in ur dream location to an organization that u feel a tremendous amount of loyalty to...and u are incredibly talented and noone puts forth more effort or works harder for that organization...and despite all this, u decide u simply cannot under any circumstances work for that organization anymore....

i know ur not in tune with all the intertwinings that go on in the pacers organization and probably view from a distance...but be assured of one thing....ron isnt screwing the pacers organization over....he simply has no choice...i dont expect u to fully understand, but just ask urself the question, why would a guy have his dream scenario yet demand to be traded?....

hint, it aint because hes crazy...

hint number 2....reggie miller said on national tv...ron artest is not the bad egg on the pacer team...

good luck...

Wouldn't Ron's dream scenario be in NY?

foretaz · Dec 14, 2005

SoupIsGood said:

no my good friend, it actually wouldnt...

...

ron likes living in indy...u know that...he also made it clear even if he played in ny or anyplace he else, he would continue to live in indy...

he also said he would like to return one day, if possible...but didnt know if it would be...

new york was his first choice IF indy didnt work out...big difference..

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hope ur well...

kennadog · Dec 14, 2005

foretaz said:

Gee, I wish you did too! I don't think it is that rare.

Sadly, normal, everyday people making good decisions for the people they care about or the people who are counting on them just aren't news. Artest is a sports celebrity with spectacularly bad judgement. That's always news.

Warhawk · Dec 14, 2005

OK, look. I know you like him and maybe y'all are buds or something. Fact is, Artest is not reliable. He wants to take time off for "personal reasons", including because he spent too much time working on an album and not enough time working at basketball.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1920455

Indiana Pacers forward Ron Artest said Wednesday that he asked head coach Rick Carlisle for as much as a month off to heal his aching body and recover from a hectic schedule.

Among the issues Artest cited to the media was fatigue over his busy schedule promoting a soon-to-be released rap album.

"He had a number of things going on in his life," Walsh said. "He came into camp weighing 260 pounds. It was the first time in his career he hasn't really been in shape. The heavy minutes he's been playing were taking their toll physically. And he had other personal issues that were troubling him.

He just had some things that had to be worked out, and Rick and Ron agreed on a course of action that led to him sitting out the last two games.

I kind of surprised the team by wanting to take some games off, just to get back together, maybe stay home for a little bit, rest a little bit and come back."

He certainly surprised Carlisle, who said Tuesday that the situation, "compromised the integrity of the team. It's a private team matter, and I'm going to leave it at that."

"I don't know what that means," Artest said. "They probably expected a little more; expected me to play every game. Everybody's different. It's early in the season, so I feel like I could take some time off early and be ready for the long stretch."

The 24-year-old is scheduled to release his debut rap album later this month and has been spending a lot of time making promotional appearances.

"I've been doing a little bit too much music, just needed the rest," Artest said. "I've still got my album coming out Nov. 23. After the album comes out I'm going to make sure all of my time is focused on winning a championship."

It's the latest in a long line of controversial situations for Artest, ranging from destroying television monitors at Madison Square Garden two years ago to missing the team flight to Game 6 of the Eastern Conference finals at Detroit last season.

"I need the rest. There's a lot of things going on."

When asked if he thought the punishment fit the crime, Artest said, "There was no crime done. I think it helped out. I was tired.

"I was doing a lot. I was running around a lot and doing a whole bunch of stuff and I've also been working out, so I think I wore myself down physically, I wore myself down mentally. I was ready to take some time off, at least like a month off, but two games is enough."

Is this really what anyone wants, a guy more interested in "running around a lot and doing a whole bunch of stuff" and who has been "doing a little bit too much music, just needed the rest".

</sarcasm>

You know what, foretaz, you're right, he's just misunderstood. What a great example of a team player. What was I thinking about, wanting a player who would play every game and wouldn't take time away from the team to make personal appearances? He must have been really tired after throwing those TVs, you know. I think maybe it was what inspired him to write....

Yeah, you know, you convinced me, sign him up!

</sarcasm off>

kennadog · Dec 14, 2005

Maybe a little levity here. I came across this:

"Ron Artest of the Indiana Pacers returned from an injury to play last Sunday with the words 'Tru Warier' shaved into his hair,'' says comedy writer Jerry Perisho. "In other news, the Supercuts chain has announced that for an extra $2 you can get spell-check."

AleksandarN · Dec 14, 2005

This was summary on the Pacerdigest form of the NBA Coast to Coast: More stuff about Ron on ESPN 2.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16852

That alone does not make you second guess any trade involving Artest to the Kings nothing will.

BMiller52 · Dec 14, 2005

kennadog said:

Maybe a little levity here. I came across this:

"Ron Artest of the Indiana Pacers returned from an injury to play last Sunday with the words 'Tru Warier' shaved into his hair,'' says comedy writer Jerry Perisho. "In other news, the Supercuts chain has announced that for an extra $2 you can get spell-check."

rofl that is hilarious.

Circa_1985_Fan · Dec 14, 2005

Brewer16 said:

It would suck to be Jermaine...if that happened(1 in 1,000,000 chance of THAT ever happening in the first place)but if it did...Geoff Petrie would have just pissed in his cornflakes.

BMiller52 · Dec 14, 2005

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/lang_whitaker/11/22/artest/

was after the brawl

SacTownKid · Dec 14, 2005

BMiller52 said:

HAHAHAHA!!! This actually made me kinda think the guy is just some brillaint comedian pulling one over on everybody. Kind of like the Andy Kaufman of basketball.

foretaz · Dec 14, 2005

youre right...alek and warhawk ur both right...i dunno nothing....

ill leave u with this...because its getting silly...ron is far from perfect...hes definitely high maintenance....and his mistakes are the type, that u just shake ur head at...

but i will ask u this...if everything that ur representing is accurate, then why has management refused to trade him?? why did ronnie say he went public and was adamant about it so that donnie wouldnt try to talk him out of it....which donnie admitted he wouldve done....theyve had tons of times to trade him, why not do it then??? i mean noone would know ron better than the pacers after so long dealing with him and his problems....yet they refused to trade him...when given every opportunity...why?? his trade value??? do u not believe there have been numerous opportunities???? the pacers turned down tmac for artest and bender....and theyve had countless times, when his value was every bit as high...you can only get so much with his contract...

but this team should be on its way now...hes gone...and yet how do they come out in their send a message game ?? pitiful loss to the celtics...

what are all the naysayers gonna say when the team chemistry still is like a ticking time bomb?? what are they gonna say when there are still huge problems amongst each other and the battle for shots and whos doing what still persist???

and most of all, what will they say when jermaine and 2 other players on the roster currently, arent on the team next season???

u wanna know why donnie is so disappointed about this...u wanna know why bird hasnt been seen or heard from??? because it totally wrecked the direction of the team....and what does donnie say??? hes not mad, hes sad...and most importantly he says he understands why ronnie did it, yes he wishes he wouldve done it privately, but he understands....

if this team didnt come together this year and get to the finals, heads were gonna roll....and they still will....only difference is, one of the heads that was still gonna be around is almost assuredly gone....and a team that wouldve been built around granger and artest will now be left to be built around granger....

Circa_1985_Fan · Dec 14, 2005

BMiller52 said:

Not to mention we just signed him and he's played only a 1/4 of a season for us...not going to happen, at least this year, Jermaine.

Bricklayer · Dec 14, 2005

Circa_1985_Fan said:

Actually we traded for Bonzi, so a little different than the Reef situation where a guy looks expendable to me at least, but where it might almost be "rude" to sign him mand immediately dump him (although if Reef landed on a surfire playoff team like the Pacers with a shot at a title he would probably kiss us on the way out the door).

thesanityannex · Dec 14, 2005

foretaz said:

Foretaz is right. He has obviously watched and paid more attention to Artest than probably anyone here. All he has is praise for his basketball skills. The two of you have repeatedly quoted this and that about his personal life, only negative things though. Has he messed up so bad in your eyes, that you can't recognize his talent?

Circa_1985_Fan · Dec 14, 2005

my bad, was typing without thinking of course...been up since 5:30am..I should know better.

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