Pacers' O'Neal Wants Bonzi

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playmaker0017 said:
Bonzi did no such thing -- and if playing good basketball over a 10 game spurt is enough to pull anything back from "the abyss" then Miller is spot on in his estimation about the fickleness of the Kings fanbase.
Whatever.

I strongly suggest you come to Sacramento and check it out before you decide you're in a position to talk about the fanbase.
 
playmaker0017 said:
No, I think you put FAR too much stock in your own opinion on the matter and what Bonzi is worth.



Bonzi did no such thing -- and if playing good basketball over a 10 game spurt is enough to pull anything back from "the abyss" then Miller is spot on in his estimation about the fickleness of the Kings fanbase.

But, let's pretend that he did do this - do you think Artest would do the same thing? Give good effort - night in and night out?

Are you telling me Bonzi is FAR more important to the fanbase than WINS?! You could have a team of idiots from Mars playing ball and people will cheer ... if we win. Artest makes this team better. Better translates to more wins.

You are the one that always talks about the team being more important than individual players ... it seems it only applies to others.



In your humble opinion.

Just as it is my humble opinion that if you can get a top 20 player for a mid-to-low tier misfit who has always found a way to alienate himself from the fanbase .... you do it. Regardless of the fact that Artest is a nutcase. Nutcase or not, he's a more valuable asset to the team if he plays and if he doesn't ... he's more valuable as a trade bait.

Actually I hear making 3 game winning shots is enough to considered pulling a team out of a hole cuz without those we'd be 7-16.
 
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Whatever.

I strongly suggest you come to Sacramento and check it out before you decide you're in a position to talk about the fanbase.
You don't have to be anywhere.

Fans of teams want WINS.

Bonzi has been nice over the last ten games, but he's also only faced token defense. Tonight when someone really bodied up Bonzi, he was shut down offensively. Defensively he gets worked night in and night out.

Artest is a more gifted offensive player from the outside. Artest is a supremely better defender. He's a career better rebounder.

I can't believe this is even being talked about.

It isn't that the Kings wouldn't or shouldn't do it ... it's that the Pacers would never be so stupid to give up a top 20 player for a career cancer who's maybe a mid-tier.

Haven't you ever noticed that Bonzi fits in well IN ALL PLACES at the beginning of his career. Everyone on the fan base starts talking about how he's turned the corner and this is what he needed ... then BAM Bonzi goes Bonzi. It's not if ... it's when he'll become a cancer.
 
playmaker0017 said:
You don't have to be anywhere.

Fans of teams want WINS.

Bonzi has been nice over the last ten games, but he's also only faced token defense. Tonight when someone really bodied up Bonzi, he was shut down offensively. Defensively he gets worked night in and night out.

Artest is a more gifted offensive player from the outside. Artest is a supremely better defender. He's a career better rebounder.

I can't believe this is even being talked about.

It isn't that the Kings wouldn't or shouldn't do it ... it's that the Pacers would never be so stupid to give up a top 20 player for a career cancer who's maybe a mid-tier.

Haven't you ever noticed that Bonzi fits in well IN ALL PLACES at the beginning of his career. Everyone on the fan base starts talking about how he's turned the corner and this is what he needed ... then BAM Bonzi goes Bonzi. It's not if ... it's when he'll become a cancer.
I'd rather have Bonzi at the 2 and Artest at the 3 than Artest at the ...2? and Peja at the 3...
 
bonzi isn't and wasn't the cancer those lame teams and those sorry a** coaches were!

Everyone gets in one or more disagreements with their coach, but when it happens with the "tzar" mike fartello, he (the coach) is like if you ever come back here i'll call the cops on you and have you arrested.
 

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http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/13985771p-14819266c.html

A Pacer asks: How 'bout Bonzi?
Wells is a better fit than Peja Stojakovic, suggests Jermaine O'Neal.
By Sam Amick -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Friday, December 16, 2005


SAN ANTONIO - It was more flattery than forecasting.
Speaking to Sports Illustrated's Ian Thomsen, Indiana forward Jermaine O'Neal revealed the two players he'd like to exchange for his not-for-long-teammate Ron Artest, who requested a trade this week that sparked the ongoing sweepstakes for his services.

No. 1: Atlanta's Al Harrington. No. 2: Sacramento shooting guard Bonzi Wells.
Not the King you expected? While much speculation has been made about a trade involving Artest and Kings small forward Peja Stojakovic, O'Neal said he could see Wells' game working well in Pacers land.

"He can play (small forward), has a big body, fits into what we're doing, thinks defense, can score on anybody offensively," O'Neal told SI.

Asked about the prospect of Stojakovic joining his squad, O'Neal said that would take more adjusting.

"If Peja was brought to this team, we'd do what we can do to help him get into our style of play," said O'Neal, the team captain who made his suggestions known to team president Donnie Walsh and general manager Larry Bird.

"Western Conference basketball is much different than Eastern Conference basketball. It's more of a slowdown pace. We don't run around. We don't do the fancy passes. We don't do any of that stuff. ... He's a big-time shooter, but I think there would have to be an adjustment period for him defensively with our style of play."

O'Neal has history with Harrington and Wells. Picked 17th overall by Portland in 1996, he played alongside Wells - an Indiana native - as a Trail Blazer from 1998 to 2000. He played alongside Harrington in Indiana from 2000 to 2004.

O'Neal's comments came the day before a new trade season began. As of midnight Wednesday, NBA teams could move players they acquired during the summer, of which Wells is one. And while Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie did not return a call for comment, his only words about Wells have been glowing of late. Wells - who will be a free agent after this season - leads the Kings in rebounds (7.6 per game) and steals (1.78), is second in blocks (.57 per game) and is third in points (15.9) and assists (3.4).

Wells' agent, William Phillips, said that while his client may be flattered by O'Neal's remarks, he doesn't plan on going anywhere.

"They were teammates, have been friends, and both respect each other's game a lot, and there's nothing more to it," Phillips said. "Bonzi loves Sacramento. Indiana's home, but he loves Sacramento."

About the writer: The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at (916) 326-5582 or samick@sacbee.com.
 
Eh, that's really nothing new. I mean, it's not necessarily breaking news, and they probably have certain days where they need more notebook stories, so they decided to cover this. Not everone is on the internet, I'm sure it was news to many more casual fans. They do the same thing with NBA beat every Sunday. If you pay attention during the week, it's nothing new. Such is the case with print journalism these days.
 

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LPKingsFan said:
Eh, that's really nothing new. I mean, it's not necessarily breaking news, and they probably have certain days where they need more notebook stories, so they decided to cover this. Not everone is on the internet, I'm sure it was news to many more casual fans. They do the same thing with NBA beat every Sunday. If you pay attention during the week, it's nothing new. Such is the case with print journalism these days.
Think it always was that way with print journalism, its just that the internet has sped things up so dramatically that its nearly impossible to be "breaking" in print anymore unless you have some really exclusive scoop.
 
Bricklayer said:
its nearly impossible to be "breaking" in print anymore
Especially since most newspapers publish everything online before the various daily editions are available at newsstands. Even if a particular story was first picked up by a newspaper, it would most likely still "break" on the web.
 
After all that we fans have said about Peja, it still stings to hear a player on an opposing team question Peja. To that I'll say f-you Jermaine. For that you'll continue to stay behind KG on my list of PF's to trade for. I hope Peja drops 40 on your no-fancy-passing east coast team.
 
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Packt said:
After all that we fans have said about Peja, it still stings to hear a player on an opposing team question Peja. To that I'll say f-you Jermaine. For that you'll continue to stay behind KG on my list of PF's to trade for. I hope Peja drops 40 on your no-fancy-passing east coast team.
well...there's always that common saying..."the truth hurts."

it does

peja's not what he should be, and he's never going to be what he could be. by that, i mean he's not playing at the level he did in '03, and he's never going to have the drive to improve in the areas that he can improve in.

bonzi, while not as talented as peja stojakovic, is a more desirable teammate (i would imagine), because he gives 110% every game. at times, people have questioned his head, but you can never question his heart. he's a warrior. people want to play with warriors. they wanna play with guys that will go to bat for the team. that's not peja. that will never be peja. and kings management is going to make a big mistake by placing the future of this team on peja's shoulders.