Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)

[Kings113]

Oh, and someone asked why Tony Delk isn’t playing. The official reason is a sore heel. But after watching Delk play lights out at the end of practices, it’s clear to anyone watching that he’s not injured. He’s not playing because the Hawks have decided that Salim Stoudamire is going to get those minutes. At the top of Delk’s wish list for Christmas was a zip code change. We’ll see if he gets it by the trade deadline.

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/hawks/entries/2005/12/30/rumor_mill_cran.html

I wouldn't mind seeing Delk back in Sac. I'd like it.

http://www.hoopshype.com/players/tony_delk.htm

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tony_delk/index.html

 

[DaMan]

Just because the Kings aren't very good right now doesn't mean they're going to be next season or the following. Who knows what could happen, I suspect something will sooner or later to turn the team around.

Besides, Bosh doesn't make the decisions about where he goes unless he's a unrestricted free-agent or has a player option. Which he does not until 2007.

We can not tell the future, i only could go on what is happening right now and this is a bad team. And i would wonder why tor would want to trade there future, that would be like the magic trading dwight howard, the trade makes no sense.

 

[VF21]

Trade discussions rarely make sense to everyone. In fact, more often than not, the proposal only makes good sense to the person who made it. It doesn't stop people from making them...

 

[Kings113]

Which is why I said "Who knows".

I don't know what the trade was.

 

[DaMan]

I am sorry if i hurt anybody's feelings.

 

[ParniValjak]

We can not tell the future, i only could go on what is happening right now and this is a bad team. And i would wonder why tor would want to trade there future, that would be like the magic trading dwight howard, the trade makes no sense.

This team might be bad right now but its not bad because of the lack of talent. Its bad because the talent it has is mismatched. Our say top 7 players are all good or in some cases above average players in this league. You don't trade away that mismatched talent for peanuts and tank and go on an extended rebuilding process that might give you a chance to compete down the track.

What you do, and what I suspect the organization wants to do is to trade that mismatched talent for a talent that is a good fit for this team. I still think this team has enough talent that it is one or 2 good trades away from being a contender. I have said that all through the pre-season and I still beleive that.

A couple of good trades, a good draft and a nice solid FA signing or 2 and this team is back in contention.

 

[DaMan]

This team might be bad right now but its not bad because of the lack of talent. Its bad because the talent it has is mismatched. Our say top 7 players are all good or in some cases above average players in this league. You don't trade away that mismatched talent for peanuts and tank and go on an extended rebuilding process that might give you a chance to compete down the track.

What you do, and what I suspect the organization wants to do is to trade that mismatched talent for a talent that is a good fit for this team. I still think this team has enough talent that it is one or 2 good trades away from being a contender. I have said that all through the pre-season and I still beleive that.

A couple of good trades, a good draft and a nice solid FA signing or 2 and this team is back in contention.

Agree with what u are saying of course this team is full of talent, it is just mismatch, the prime example is sar. But What i am saying is why would Tor trade us there future in Bosh for most likely somebody who is older and will not be on the same level as he is in the future. And i say this again why would he come here if we can't offer near as much money as other teams. And also add that both teams are bad right now and tor show more promsies with all there young talent and a brighter future. To me the kings have not proved that they what to win, if they did they would have made move by now.

 

[ParniValjak]

Agree with what u are saying of course this team is full of talent, it is just mismatch, the prime example is sar. But What i am saying is why would Tor trade us there future in Bosh for most likely somebody who is older and will not be on the same level as he is in the future. And i say this again why would he come here if we can't offer near as much money as other teams. And also add that both teams are bad right now and tor show more promsies with all there young talent and a brighter future. To me the kings have not proved that they what to win, if they did they would have made move by now.

OH please, so now the Kings want to tank and they don't want to win?????? Give us a break. In every sport that has a salary cap and draft there is such a think as a cycle. You are good, then you suck and they you come good again. We had a time in the sun for the last 7 years and we are on a downward spiral. Its not just a matter of making a move for the sake of it to change things up a bit.

We have some tradeable players but why trade them for another player of similar ilk that will not improve us. Why not wait and see whats on offer out there that will actually make you a legit contender. Right now there is nothing there so you sit and wait. More stars will come available as the year goes on. This year is just about a write off anyway so whats the ruch.

EDIT: As to why would Toronto trade Bosh. I don't know. Why did Washington trade Webber for Richmond and Thorpe?????? Why did LA trade Shaq for some loose change. Why did we trade Webber for a half burnt pie and half a mars bar?????? Teams trade players for different reasons.

 

[DaMan]

OH please, so now the Kings want to tank and they don't want to win?????? Give us a break. In every sport that has a salary cap and draft there is such a think as a cycle. You are good, then you suck and they you come good again. We had a time in the sun for the last 7 years and we are on a downward spiral. Its not just a matter of making a move for the sake of it to change things up a bit.

We have some tradeable players but why trade them for another player of similar ilk that will not improve us. Why not wait and see whats on offer out there that will actually make you a legit contender. Right now there is nothing there so you sit and wait. More stars will come available as the year goes on. This year is just about a write off anyway so whats the ruch.

EDIT: As to why would Toronto trade Bosh. I don't know. Why did Washington trade Webber for Richmond and Thorpe?????? Why did LA trade Shaq for some loose change. Why did we trade Webber for a half burnt pie and half a mars bar?????? Teams trade players for different reasons.

Carolija, when did i every say the the kings what to tank the season and they don't want to win, in the last few games should show that they do want to. I think u were referring to my last sentence in my post. I was trying to say if magenment wanted to win they would have made a move by now because there is a small chance that we could still make the playoffs. Every body knows we have to make a change to improve this team but magement just chooses to sit there and do nothing.

I think i could answer some of your trade questions. Shaq got traded because he wanted out and the miami deal was the best deal that they could get at the time. I am not sure about this but i think Webber was traded for Richmond because i think the wiz needed a 2 guard and they all ready had Juawn Howard at pf. And Webber got traded for salary cap purposes and they thought he was getting old, lol. And raps would be stupid to trade their future in bosh.

 

[VF21]

was trying to say if magenment wanted to win they would have made a move by now because there is a small chance that we could still make the playoffs. Every body knows we have to make a change to improve this team but magement just chooses to sit there and do nothing.

That's a pretty common misconception.

Management is rarely looking at just fixing the current season. They're usually looking down the road at least one or two years, to build a team that will last more than a few months. That is most likely why nothing has been done YET. Up until last year, Petrie virtually NEVER made trades during the season.

While none of us may know what Petrie and Co have planned, it doesn't mean there are no plans. It just means, as usual, that Petrie is keeping things very close to his chest.

 

[venom_7]

would you do this?

http://realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

codes:
2780221
and this one for kicks
2780223

it works; we trade peja, SAR or KT(either works), and Jason Hart to Chicago for Tyson Chandler, Darius Songaila, and Andres Nocioni

The other was Corliss straight up to Denver for Earl Watson

first one:
Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Darius Songaila
6-8 PF from Wake Forrest
7.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 18.3 minutes

Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
11.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 27.4 minutes

Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
5.2 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 26.7 minutes
Incoming

Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.5 minutes

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
16.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.2 apg in 35.4 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
17.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: +12.0 ppg, -4.6 rpg, and +3.0 apg.




Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.5 minutes

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
16.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.2 apg in 35.4 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
17.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.4 minutes
Incoming

Darius Songaila
6-8 PF from Wake Forrest
7.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 18.3 minutes

Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
11.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 27.4 minutes

Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
5.2 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 26.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: -12.0 ppg, +4.6 rpg, and -3.0 apg.


Successful Scenario
There were BYC players involved in this trade, so this trade is subject to the BYC provisions of the CBA. Due to Chicago and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Chicago and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out unless trade exceptions were used for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID
Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 2780259.



Second one:

Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
7.8 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 3.1 apg in 19.7 minutes
Incoming

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
3.9 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.9 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and -2.8 apg.





Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
3.9 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.2 minutes
Incoming

Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
7.8 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 3.1 apg in 19.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: +3.9 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +2.8 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Denver and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Denver and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID
Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 2780261.

 

[Kings113]

Neither can be displayed.

 

[VF21]

If you want to discuss trades, please post them here. Our members shouldn't have to go to another board to see what you're proposing. It's a lot easier for you to elicit comments if you provide the information in this thread.

Thanks...

 

[venom_7]

ok I fixed it

 

[DaMan]

would you do this?

http://realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

codes:
2780221
and this one for kicks
2780223

it works; we trade peja, SAR or KT(either works), and Jason Hart to Chicago for Tyson Chandler, Darius Songaila, and Andres Nocioni

The other was Corliss straight up to Denver for Earl Watson

I love both trades but i don't think bulls would give up both songaila and Nocioni that would just live them with no decent backup PF and that would leave the kings with to many PF that would would be demanding playing time. We would have to end up taking Allen instead of songaila. That would still end up being a good trade.

I would love the second trade but i don't think denver would do it, I think they are using watson and nene to get a starting sf/sg like a Artest, Pierce, or even an Al Harrington.

 

[DaMan]

would you do this?

http://realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

codes:
2780221
and this one for kicks
2780223

it works; we trade peja, SAR or KT(either works), and Jason Hart to Chicago for Tyson Chandler, Darius Songaila, and Andres Nocioni

The other was Corliss straight up to Denver for Earl Watson

first one:
Chicago Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Darius Songaila
6-8 PF from Wake Forrest
7.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 18.3 minutes

Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
11.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 27.4 minutes

Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
5.2 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 26.7 minutes
Incoming

Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.5 minutes

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
16.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.2 apg in 35.4 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
17.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: +12.0 ppg, -4.6 rpg, and +3.0 apg.




Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
3.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.5 minutes

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
6-9 PF from California
16.5 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.2 apg in 35.4 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
17.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.3 apg in 37.4 minutes
Incoming

Darius Songaila
6-8 PF from Wake Forrest
7.5 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 18.3 minutes

Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
11.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 27.4 minutes

Tyson Chandler
7-1 C from Dominguez (HS)
5.2 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 26.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: -12.0 ppg, +4.6 rpg, and -3.0 apg.


Successful Scenario
There were BYC players involved in this trade, so this trade is subject to the BYC provisions of the CBA. Due to Chicago and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Chicago and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out unless trade exceptions were used for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID
Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. The Trade ID for this scenario is 2780221.

Better yet i think adding sampson instead of hart and Allen instead of Darius would be better for each team and more fair.

And also can u or anybody who is a realgm forum member post this trade in the bulls forum, i want to know what they think about it. And also it has to be shareef not kenny in the trade.

 

[BMiller52]

Better yet i think adding sampson instead of hart and Allen instead of Darius would be better for each team and more fair.

And also can u or anybody who is a realgm forum member post this trade in the bulls forum, i want to know what they think about it. And also it has to be shareef not kenny in the trade.

He did put shareef in the trade...

 

[DaMan]

He did put shareef in the trade...

I just wanted to make sure because he did thomas or sar before.

 

[DaMan]

That's a pretty common misconception.

Management is rarely looking at just fixing the current season. They're usually looking down the road at least one or two years, to build a team that will last more than a few months. That is most likely why nothing has been done YET. Up until last year, Petrie virtually NEVER made trades during the season.

While none of us may know what Petrie and Co have planned, it doesn't mean there are no plans. It just means, as usual, that Petrie is keeping things very close to his chest.

I agree with every thing u have said but there are ways that this team could help win in this current season without missing up their future. But your right i don't know what Petrie and co have planned but in my opinion if they do have a plan they are taking whole lot of time to carry it out.

 

[Bibby-4-Three]

Taken from Denver Post: "Artest said he disagreed with a recent statement by Pacers president Larry Bird that he is a top 12 player. He also said the Pacers want a top 12 player in return for him. Artest was an all-star and the defensive player of the year in 2004, but he describes himself as a top 30 player, going so far as to rattle off a long list of players he regarded higher, including Gilbert Arenas, Peja Stojakovic, Elton Brand and Lamar Odom."

link: http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_3361278

Interesting...

 

[Dime Dropper]

Taken from Denver Post: "Artest said he disagreed with a recent statement by Pacers president Larry Bird that he is a top 12 player. He also said the Pacers want a top 12 player in return for him. Artest was an all-star and the defensive player of the year in 2004, but he describes himself as a top 30 player, going so far as to rattle off a long list of players he regarded higher, including Gilbert Arenas, Peja Stojakovic, Elton Brand and Lamar Odom."

link: http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_3361278

Interesting...

Artest really is crazy! Maybe this will influence Indiana and they might trade Peja for Artest!

 

[VF21]

That is actually, IMHO, one of the more lucid things Artest has said, at least as far as him being a Top 30 player and not a Top 12...

 

[ParniValjak]

Artest really is crazy! Maybe this will influence Indiana and they might trade Peja for Artest!

What makes you think that Kings would do that deal.

Kings would be dumb to do that deal.

 

[Bricklayer]

What makes you think that Kings would do that deal.

Kings would be dumb to do that deal.

Oh really.

 

[VF21]

...

Peja for Artest? Oh, that is just so 2005.

 

[ParniValjak]

Oh really.

If Artest wasn't a nutcase I would do it but since he is seriously unstable individual there is no way in hell I would od it. He goes off and he takes the whole franchise down with him to the gutter.

If he was THAT good then why the hell would Indiana be desperate to get him out of their franchise?????? I think that tells us a fair bit.

 

[VF21]

You're rehashing this now?

We have like a gazillions posts about Peja for Artest, Artest's mental stability or lack thereof, etc. and that doesn't even include those in this particular thread.

 

[BMiller52]

what if artest said he wanted to come to sacramento?

 

[AleksandarN]

Oh really.

I think Artrest would help on only one area in which we lack that is a defensive stopper on man to man. He is not known to be a good help defender nor does he rebound. Also he would want as many as shots or more as Pedja is getting. As we have seen and as what you said before in other posts. We have too many people demanding the ball as it. Add on top of that his mental problems than I would have to aggree with Čarolija. Artest is not the answer to our problems and would creat new ones on our team.

 

[Alacron]

I was against Peja for Artest last season, but I'm now in the "what have we got to lose" frame of mind. I accept that Ronnie is a nutcase who appears to have learned nothing and he may not be around for any given postseason. But consider the fact that Peja's trade value must be lower now than any time in the past few years, and how scary our lineup would be for opponents, and the potential benefits outweigh the risks.

You're a lot more likely to go "all in" when you're running out of chips.

That's enough trying to disarm the bomb, just choose the red or blue wire and cut it.

And other poorly thought-out analogies, and so on.
~~

P.S. Also, when Artest is out for the playoffs, you at least get to substitute another player in his place. When Peja disappears for the playoffs, he's still taking up a spot on the court.