Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)

BMiller52 · Jan 1, 2006

Kings113 said:

Lebron=not happening
Melo=not happening
T-Mac=maybe, if houston continues to lose and he gets unhappy. They could use the expiring contracts of bonzi and hart's defense is the perfect fit for JVG.
Pierce=Doubt it.
Rose=trash
Odom=not happening
Artest=not happening, we had our chance to grab him already
Diaw=phx isn't dealing him, he's a MIP candidate
Childress=no thanks, I heard that he's only 6'5'' without the fro.
Joe Johnson= Now here is someone I'd REALLY like to get. I liked watching him in phoenix and he'd help the team a lot. He's a good defender, shooter, slasher, passer, decent rebounder. He'd let Mike play off the ball and he'd get open in double team situations(like friday where the celts doubled mike in crunch time) and make those shots too. I wish we could deal for him, maybe we could if atlanta felt like the deal where they gave up basically everything was too much and they want back picks/expirings. We have those
Dunleavy=trash.
Deng=I'd like to have him but I don't think we're getting him.

Edit: You added mike miller. I didn't know he could handle the ball too much, never watched him much. I'd be down with that though. Apparently Memphis is shopping him too.

Kings113 · Jan 1, 2006

Indeed about Miller. He's a pretty well-rounded player.

About Childress, I know he's young, in relation to us having Garcia, just thought I'd mention him. But I highly doubt the NBA or anyone measured him with the 'fro. Who did you hear it from? Some poster on a message board?

That's just plain stupid.

BMiller52 · Jan 1, 2006

Kings113 said:

...yeah

Anyways, if he's a legit 6'8'' I'd love having him here. I'd actually like to get Danny Granger, he's been compared to a poor man's pippen and he'll be a special player. I don't know what we'd give indiana though, maybe something involving peja or bonzi if we could convince them they could still contend this year. Love to get miller here. So assuming childress is a legit 6'8'' or even 6'7'' I'd want to get(players we could reasonably get):

Joe Johnson
Mike Miller
Childress
Granger
T-Mac(again, it could happen. We could give them Peja+Bonzi for him if they're losing and I think it'd be hard for them to turn down.)

ParniValjak · Jan 2, 2006

BMiller52 said:

Are you actually aware of what he is making??????

Atlanta dropped a MAX contract on him (actually Phoneix did and then traded him to Atlanta so Joe could get an extra year on his contract). Good player but at that price, No thanks.

funkykingston · Jan 2, 2006

Not only did Johnson get a Max deal, but it's smaller than the original offer, at least this year. Atlanta originally frontloaded the contract so Johnson would have made $20 million or so this year. It was done that way to discourage Phoenix from matching the offer. The sign-and-trade gives him an extra year and more money overall, but less this season.

Still Joe Johnson is making $12 million this season. JOE JOHNSON. And the Hawks gave up Diaw and 2 first round picks for the right to pay him that outrageous amount. The one owner that got the boot for refusing to sign off on this deal was the only one with any sense in Atlanta.

The Pacers aren't looking to deal Granger. In fact, he's a big part of why they are able to shop Artest.

BMiller52 · Jan 2, 2006

funkykingston said:

Not only did Johnson get a Max deal, but it's smaller than the original offer, at least this year. Atlanta originally frontloaded the contract so Johnson would have made $20 million or so this year. It was done that way to discourage Phoenix from matching the offer. The sign-and-trade gives him an extra year and more money overall, but less this season.

Still Joe Johnson is making $12 million this season. JOE JOHNSON. And the Hawks gave up Diaw and 2 first round picks for the right to pay him that outrageous amount. The one owner that got the boot for refusing to sign off on this deal was the only one with any sense in Atlanta.

The Pacers aren't looking to deal Granger. In fact, he's a big part of why they are able to shop Artest.

I know, but if we could convince them they could contest again with say bonzi+peja we could probably pry him away...

funkykingston · Jan 2, 2006

I'd have to think about dealing Peja for Granger.

I wouldn't deal Bonzi for Granger.

I'd never even consider trading both of them for Granger.

I like Danny Granger and I think he'll be a solid player for years. But I don't see star potential in him. There's no way I would make a deal for him and include Wells, who has been the only King to regularly show toughness and fire this season.

Not to mention the fact that to make the salaries match, the Kings would likely have to take on some salary ballast like Austin Croshere (most likely), Bender and/or Pollard.

No thanks.

I'd rather see the Kings shipping out salary for ending contracts than the other way around. Kenny Thomas for half a warm beer anyone?

At this point I don't think I'd mind seeing Miller and his contract dealt for the right price either.

Of course, Peja + filler for Chandler and change would cover a lot of Brad's defensive liabilities and cure a lot of the Kings ills.

I'm even coming around to the idea of the Kings being the 3rd team in a deal that nets Denver Ron Artest and Sacramento Nene and Watson.

foretaz · Jan 2, 2006

BMiller52 said:

ur dreaming...bonzi and peja wouldnt make the pacers contenders...

and the pacers wouldnt trade granger for them...

the fact u would trade them for him should be all the reason u need to know why...

DaMan · Jan 2, 2006

BMiller52 said:

Man there is no why we get t-mac, that team just had to many injurys, t-mac knows this. There is no reason for that team to rebuild, they are an elite team in the west when healthy. If the rockets do not make the playoff that could be the best thing to happen to the team, they could get a top pick in the draft and put somebody at the sf next to t-mac or they could package the pick and expiring contracts to get a player like Paul Pierce. So this losing season might not be a bad thing after all for the rockets.

I live in orlando and the only reason that t-mac wanted to leave orlando is because the team was a mess and rebuilding (which is not what the rockets are doing) and he wanted no part of it. So what had happened was that t-mac said either trade the Number one draft pick for a superstar big man to play along side him and build for now and not later or trade him to a team that wants to win now. So I really don't expect t-mac to get upset he understands there are to many injurys, he knows that they are better then their current recored shows. And if they are completely healthy by the middle of this month, there is a small chances that they could make the playoffs. But as i said above it might be better if they don't.

Kings113 · Jan 2, 2006

On Granger, I love 'em, but I didn't mention him simply because Indy are so high on him and their SF of the future. I can see him being an all-star.

A losing season w/ lottery entry wouldn't be bad for Sac either, DaMan. Whether that happens? Who knows. Ditto for Indiana/Golden State/Denver/Seattle/Chicago/Washington/Minnesota/Utah/Lakers.

BMiller52 · Jan 2, 2006

DaMan said:

Man there is no why we get t-mac, that team just had to many injurys, t-mac knows this. There is no reason for that team to rebuild, they are an elite team in the west when healthy. If the rockets do not make the playoff that could be the best thing to happen to the team, they could get a top pick in the draft and put somebody at the sf next to t-mac or they could package the pick and expiring contracts to get a player like Paul Pierce. So this losing season might not be a bad thing after all for the rockets.

I live in orlando and the only reason that t-mac wanted to leave orlando is because the team was a mess and rebuilding (which is not what the rockets are doing) and he wanted no part of it. So what had happened was that t-mac said either trade the Number one draft pick for a superstar big man to play along side him and build for now and not later or trade him to a team that wants to win now. So I really don't expect t-mac to get upset he understands there are to many injurys, he knows that they are better then their current recored shows. And if they are completely healthy by the middle of this month, there is a small chances that they could make the playoffs. But as i said above it might be better if they don't.

Yeah they're an elite playoff team when healthy but that's not happening any time soon. Yao is out like 2 more months, I don't know how long everyone else on their team is out.

VF21 · Jan 2, 2006

It doesn't matter if the Rockets are healthy or not, they are NOT going to get rid of T-Mac. That's like saying the Lakers are going to dump Kobe. Some things just won't be happening.

Circa_1985_Fan · Jan 2, 2006

funkykingston said:

I wonder if this has already fallen off, though. We heard about this 'rumor' like 2 weeks ago, and rumors that keep going and going usually mean that they have already been shot down, substantially, by all parties involved LONG before the rumors die. Chandler would be grand, but not attainable, probably. Nene...BEFORE the injury would have been even better...but now??

Circa_1985_Fan · Jan 2, 2006

BMiller52 said:

We give up Peja/Bonzi for T-Mac and we're left with:

Bibby
McGrady
Miller
Rahim
Thomas

Hmmm...interesting....I'd definetely rather see Rahim go, just because his post game slows down our offense to something between a crawl and comatose stages sometimes. Moving Rahim to the SF position...is he quick enough? K9 is probably quicker than him, and could adapt better to the switch.

VF21 · Jan 2, 2006

And WHY exactly would the Rockets do that deal?

Good lord, people. Get a grip.

BMiller52 · Jan 2, 2006

Circa_1985_Fan said:

I'm guessing they'd prefer Mike to peja. Maybe we could send them rahim as well and maybe get back stro swift or juwan howard? That'd make them like it more imo.

LPKingsFan · Jan 2, 2006

Well, when we run isos for McGrady left and right, our offense will slow down too.

Forget about the speed of the offense, what matters more is its effectiveness. And for all our losing right now, remember that magical land known as the playoffs? The game slows down a lot there! I'm sure any winning right now would be nice, but you can't be a good team without a post threat, whether it slows down the offense or not.

But back to trading.

I'm not convinced any moves that don't involve an interior defensive prescence will do much to right the ship. I support funkykingston with the Peja for Chandler deal, and did so this summer.

A Chandler/Harrington/Piatowski for Peja/Skinner/Sampson deal works under the cap rules.

thesanityannex · Jan 2, 2006

VF21 said:

Peja/Bonzi or Peja/SAR for T-Mac isn't that crazy. The Rockets need a shake-up, so it could happen. How many people here saw the Webb trade going down, especially with who we got in return. This T-Mac scenario seems a little more beneficial to both teams than the Webb deal.

LPKingsFan · Jan 2, 2006

OK, so now I'm on a Peja/SAR/etc for Larry Hughes and Chandler 3-way deal hunt. Stay posted.

VF21 · Jan 2, 2006

thesanityannex said:

The Webber deal was entirely different, considering the vast majority of people were considering Webber damaged goods with an unbelieveable contract.

The Rockets could get a LOT better than Peja/SAR or Peja/Bonzi for T-Mac, in the event they totally lost their minds and put him on the block.

BMiller52 · Jan 2, 2006

VF21 said:

It's not like that'd be all we'd give them. Picks and probably garcia would also be involved.

VF21 · Jan 2, 2006

Oh I'm sure that would thrill them...

My prediction is it AIN'T gonna happen. If I'm wrong I'll be more than happy to admit it. But I think I'm really on firm ground about this one.

uopmatt · Jan 2, 2006

I like Hughes...........but

Have you seen Chandlers numbers this year. Not exactly great. In fact not even sub-par. Plus with his recent medical problems. But, maybe he needs a change in scenery. Hughes wold be a definite upgrade over Peja with his defense and explosive athleticism. Cleveland could probably use a great outside shooter too that Lebron cold kick out too.

ONEZERO · Jan 2, 2006

Aint now way in hell the rockets would trade tmac for sar/peja... That's nuts... I'm probably the biggest NON supporter of tmac, but he's still some kind of a superstar... You don't trade a superstar for nothing... They are very rare...

funkykingston · Jan 2, 2006

uopmatt said:

The Cavs aren't trading Hughes. His addition (along with LeBron's maturity) is the primary reason that the Cavs have gone from a team that missed the playoffs, to having the second best record in the East in one year. If they weren't in the same division as the Pistons, Cleveland could be a division winner and top three seed. Hughes' numbers are down, (41% shooting is pretty bad) but he takes a lot of pressure off of James.

As for Chandler, I'm not sure what medical problems you're talking about. As far as I can tell, he's played in all 29 games so far and I believe he's playing tonight. Or are you thinking of Curry, whose heart condition convinced the Bulls to trade him to the Knicks?

Chandler doesn't put up great stats, but there are a couple things to keep in mind. 1) Games aren't played on paper and stats aren't everything. Chandler provides a lot of the things (size & athleticism up front, shotblocking, rebounding) that the Kings need. 2) He's still only 23. He's five years from his prime, providing some youth and hope for the future as well. 3) The Kings don't need another guy to put up big offensive numbers. If he can get a few points off putbacks, running the floor and open jumpers, that's fine with me. The Kings don't need more scoring. If he could put up 8-10 points, 10+ rebounds and 2 blocks or so a game, I think that would be good enough.

DaMan · Jan 2, 2006

VF21 said:

I am with u. T-MAC IS GOING NOWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

T-Mac knows there losing because of injures, he said it in in artical, Everybody slow down. I hate these silly trades proposals. If u want to go after a superstar we have a chance at, focus on Paul Pirece.

Mention one of these trades to a rockets fan they will laugh in your face. I think somebody mention one of these trades on realgm on the rockets forum, and they locked it because it was so crazy. Trust me t-mac is going nowhere.

ParniValjak · Jan 2, 2006

thesanityannex said:

I could see the possibility of C-Webb trade because there have been strong rumours around that the Kings have been shopping him around for about a year.

It wasn't THAT out of the blue.

Having said that, T-Mac would be the last player Houston would trade. They would rather get rid of Yao Ming than T-Mac.

SacTownKid · Jan 2, 2006

Čarolija said:

Not me, sure there was always talk, but I really didn't think there would be a team willing to take on his contract. That and I thought the Kings were not even really trying to deal him.

And if it came down to Yao or Tmac. Tmac would be gone so fast his head would spin. Yao equals $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

uopmatt · Jan 2, 2006

I've said it before and I'll say it again....

the trade to make is Peja and Rahim for Harrington and Josh Smith. Peja would open up things for Johnson and Smith and harrington would give us some young athletic bodies who can score and play defense. It is way more likely that something like this migh happen. I mean, I'm sorry, I love T-mac, but it isn't going to happen. I would love to see Smith blocking shots and Harrington taking it hard to the basket for the kings.

ParniValjak · Jan 2, 2006

uopmatt said:

the trade to make is Peja and Rahim for Harrington and Josh Smith. Peja would open up things for Johnson and Smith and harrington would give us some young athletic bodies who can score and play defense. It is way more likely that something like this migh happen. I mean, I'm sorry, I love T-mac, but it isn't going to happen. I would love to see Smith blocking shots and Harrington taking it hard to the basket for the kings.

The last thing this team needs is another tweener.

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