Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)
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Just a quick search...see if anyof these help.
http://www.science.smith.edu/exer_sci/ESS200/Raceh/Raceh.htm
http://www.thesportjournal.org/2001Journal/Vol4-No4/minority-hiring-practices.asp
http://exlibris.colgate.edu/gateway/sports.htm
http://www.science.smith.edu/exer_sci/ESS200/Raceh/Raceh.htm
http://www.thesportjournal.org/2001Journal/Vol4-No4/minority-hiring-practices.asp
http://exlibris.colgate.edu/gateway/sports.htm
This is very farfetched, but worth a shot...Here we go.
Kings get...
Luol Deng, Chris Duhon, Tim Thomas
Bulls Get....
Mike Bibby, Corliss Willaimson, maybe a pick?
Kings new Rotation...
PG: Duhon/Hart
SG: Wells/Garcia/Martin
SF: Peja/Deng/T.Thomas
PF: SAR/K.Thomas/T.Thomas
C: Miller/Skinner
Now this Kings have themselves a true defensive PG with Duhon...That suddenly makes our perimeter defense respectable with Duhon being a good defender, and both Peja and Bonzi being adequate defenders...No longer will opposing team be able to run their free ride to the rack, which in turn may make our bigs look a little less pathetic trying to defend...Also, our bench is now much better...Tim Thomas could possibly provide a spark every now and then, but really he's only their to make salaries match up...While Deng provides with that energy guy we so sarly need...This also could possibly lead to other trades involving Peja.
Hmm...
The Bulls new lineup...
PG: Mike Bibby/Jannero Pargo
SG: Kirk Hinrich/Ben Gordon
SF: Andres Nocioni/Corliss Willaimson/Eric Piatkowski
PF: Mike Sweetney/Darius Songaila/Othella Harrington
C: Tyson Chandler/???
The Bulls do it because they now have a potent backcourt person to take this team to potentall new heights...Beforehand, both Duhon and Hinrich are both medicre offensive players (Hinrich's inability to shoot high percentages, which Duhon just doesnt look to score). Possibly have Bibby play the two, and Hinrich at his usuall PG position? Either way, it makes their backcourt very impressive now...The frontcourt will be an all-out hustle/energy group. Those guys would provide all the hustle anyone could ever use...IT would be a nice combination. The frontcourt (Starters and reserves, except maybe Pargo) are extremly skilled players with really good games, while the frontcourt is the type that hustles all out 100% of the time...It's a nice combo, and I like it!
Kings get...
Luol Deng, Chris Duhon, Tim Thomas
Bulls Get....
Mike Bibby, Corliss Willaimson, maybe a pick?
Kings new Rotation...
PG: Duhon/Hart
SG: Wells/Garcia/Martin
SF: Peja/Deng/T.Thomas
PF: SAR/K.Thomas/T.Thomas
C: Miller/Skinner
Now this Kings have themselves a true defensive PG with Duhon...That suddenly makes our perimeter defense respectable with Duhon being a good defender, and both Peja and Bonzi being adequate defenders...No longer will opposing team be able to run their free ride to the rack, which in turn may make our bigs look a little less pathetic trying to defend...Also, our bench is now much better...Tim Thomas could possibly provide a spark every now and then, but really he's only their to make salaries match up...While Deng provides with that energy guy we so sarly need...This also could possibly lead to other trades involving Peja.
Hmm...
The Bulls new lineup...
PG: Mike Bibby/Jannero Pargo
SG: Kirk Hinrich/Ben Gordon
SF: Andres Nocioni/Corliss Willaimson/Eric Piatkowski
PF: Mike Sweetney/Darius Songaila/Othella Harrington
C: Tyson Chandler/???
The Bulls do it because they now have a potent backcourt person to take this team to potentall new heights...Beforehand, both Duhon and Hinrich are both medicre offensive players (Hinrich's inability to shoot high percentages, which Duhon just doesnt look to score). Possibly have Bibby play the two, and Hinrich at his usuall PG position? Either way, it makes their backcourt very impressive now...The frontcourt will be an all-out hustle/energy group. Those guys would provide all the hustle anyone could ever use...IT would be a nice combination. The frontcourt (Starters and reserves, except maybe Pargo) are extremly skilled players with really good games, while the frontcourt is the type that hustles all out 100% of the time...It's a nice combo, and I like it!
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Just realized I was guilty of not forseeing next year's roster as I've pondered different scenarios. That is, do we want to keep Bonzi (at least at this juncture I think most of us do)? If so he'll be looking for Peja like money and, in my mind, more worth it as an all around player (yes, I know we can discuss the merits of what is a max player but for the sake of example let's assume he qualifies). So, that gives us max or near max contracts for 4/5 of our current lineup. So....something has to give to keep open enough money to pay a decent bench. Now, as the league shifts to quick and agile (but somewhat less skilled) athletes in order to compete we need to get quicker and more agile and willing to sacrifice some of our skilled but slower players (and their big salaries). Therefore, what do you think about trading all three core players (Mike, Brad & Peja) either en mass to, say Boston for Pierce and a big (purely as an example) to acquire superstar type help (yes, I'd rather make the offer to Houston for TMac but don't think they'd bite) or "part the team out" like you would a classic car for more obtainable players that would approach current needs. Our team was built to compete with the Shaq led Lakers and it's only reason to be maintained is in the increasingly unlikely likelyhood that we match up with Miami in the playoffs and it's dubious that as presently comprised we'd prevail. So, if we part out the core we can possibly get "two fers" ie Peja to Chicago for Deng, Piatkowski and Thomas (huge expiring contract to help with the cap next year) or the Artest gamble in Indy, Bibby to Washington for Thomas or Haywood and Daniels and Miller to Toronto for Villenueva and Peterson. Lots of talent there for on the floor and the bench.
I think we need to let the season play out a little more before we offer Bonzi a MAX deal. IMO peja should be traded before the deadline or a sign and trade in the offS. Lets see what Bonzi brings all year and lets see if he wants to really stay here.
I like Bonzi actually again (although the Mobley thing didn't go so well at the end I was in support of him) supported Bonzi from the start because I think he is a good ball player. Time will tell on this one, not sure I would be shocked with anything.
I like Bonzi actually again (although the Mobley thing didn't go so well at the end I was in support of him) supported Bonzi from the start because I think he is a good ball player. Time will tell on this one, not sure I would be shocked with anything.
Peja to Chicago for Deng makes sense for both sides. Not straight up but with some packaging. Bulls get major outside scorer, a fan favorite and the largest Serbian community in the world outside of Serbia. Deng is only 20, their highest scorer at 15/game, an 81% FT and is 6-9 225 and can run like a deer. And in his second year he is getting more than 30 min/game.
So here is one possibility:
Peja is at $7.6M
Kenny or Corliss at about $6M
Kevin at about $1M or about $14.6M total
but Thomas's $14M come off the books next year along with KT or Corliss being gone providing $20M of relief within the salary cap (I think).
Deng at $2.4M
Thomas at $13.9M (in his last contract year!) or $16.3M
Within about 10%, may need a 2nd rounder from Kings to balance.
This could be way cool dude. IF and a big if, Maloofs want to carry Thomas $$$ for this year, knowing they won't have that next year nor $6 from KT or Corliss nor $7.6M for Peja. WOW. Could we dump $26M in salaries and get Luol Deng. Way cool dude, way cool.
So here is one possibility:
Peja is at $7.6M
Kenny or Corliss at about $6M
Kevin at about $1M or about $14.6M total
but Thomas's $14M come off the books next year along with KT or Corliss being gone providing $20M of relief within the salary cap (I think).
Deng at $2.4M
Thomas at $13.9M (in his last contract year!) or $16.3M
Within about 10%, may need a 2nd rounder from Kings to balance.
This could be way cool dude. IF and a big if, Maloofs want to carry Thomas $$$ for this year, knowing they won't have that next year nor $6 from KT or Corliss nor $7.6M for Peja. WOW. Could we dump $26M in salaries and get Luol Deng. Way cool dude, way cool.
If we trade Peja for Deng we would be the ones taking big contracts, no chance of losing KT in that deal. Bulls want flexibility, even if it means no Peja. The Bulls have been keeping flexibility as their no 1 goal, until they become serious contenders. They are certainly closer to that goal than before, but Chicago needs more than 1 piece (esp not Peja) to get over the hump, so they aren't about to take on big contracts just to get a minor improvements.
Trade Peja for Artest, Geoff! Not because Artest would be an upgrade in talent, (I do believe that however) but because he'll be an upgrade in trade value. What makes him scary and a "gamble" also makes him exciting and ooze potential. As long as he performs there will always be someone willing to take him on. With that and his small contract, It might be our only chance to dump KT’s contract... and I like KT, just not his contract. In fact I think he should be starting with Rahim coming off the bench being our 6th man. That way we can allow him to play his game, and just go all out. No setting up other players, just dominate the ball and be an offensive spark plug.
I like Peja for Deng, but not more than Peja to Toronto. I wish that could happen. Come on Toronto, make Phil really pay for his comments. Send Bosh to us and we'll torture the Lakers for you.
I like Peja for Deng, but not more than Peja to Toronto. I wish that could happen. Come on Toronto, make Phil really pay for his comments. Send Bosh to us and we'll torture the Lakers for you.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5173108
Wasn't sure where to stick this, figured here would work as well as anywhere. From what I've seen, I thought Bonzi has been playing exceptionally. Just my 2 cents.
Wasn't sure where to stick this, figured here would work as well as anywhere. From what I've seen, I thought Bonzi has been playing exceptionally. Just my 2 cents.