Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)

[VF21]

On the radio today, Napear said that there has been no Artest talk at all within the Kings org. He said that he doesn't think Petrie will take a chance on a player that could set the team back 10 years if it turned out to be a disaster. He thinks Artest is too "out there" for Petrie's taste.

Wow. Interestingly enough, that's almost exactly what I've been arguing...

How would he set the team back 10 years? Thats the part I don't understand. This is a low risk deal, worst case is he sets it back that season he goes nuts in.

What would the difference be if Peja left and we get nothing return in the offseason because IMO that is what Petrie is gambling with right now. I think the set-backs offset each other.

Brick has always said it and it's more clear to me now that Petrie's love for Peja is going to kill us. Long run and short term.

It's not a low risk deal by any stretch of the imagination. Ron Artest could conceivably make Denis Rodman look like a choir boy. AND he could alienate a very large segment of the fan base, which could spell disaster for the arena, for the fan support, etc. Would it happen? No way of knowing, but the chance is there.

As far as Peja leaving and getting nothing in return, that is - quite simply - not going to happen. Petrie may like Peja but he's not a fool and he's not going to put Peja ahead of his (Petrie's) primary responsibility, which is to the Kings and the Maloofs. Just because we aren't hearing about anything, doesn't mean nothing is in the works. There is time for Petrie to make sure he gets the best possible deal, if trading Peja is going to happen. He has until Feb. 24 to either trade him or lock him up for one more year with an extension or sign him to a long-term contract. SOMETHING will happen by then, but don't expect much advance notice. Petrie doesn't work that way.

 

[AleksandarN]

Kind of like taking a week off b/c your pinky hurts right?

Or how about grabbing 2-4 boards when you're 6'10"?

What about doing nothing about draining shots all night until magically disappearing in the 4th??

Peja is a complementary player. The Kings need him to be a #1 option but he never will be. The Pacers need him in the complementary role he's perfect for.

The Kings would have a 3 year trial period with Artest who could be the #1 they so desperately need and the tough defense that's been lacking ever since Doug was traded.

When has Artest ever poven to be a number 1 option he thinks he is?

 

[Team Dime]

Wow. Interestingly enough, that's almost exactly what I've been arguing...





It's not a low risk deal by any stretch of the imagination. Ron Artest could conceivably make Denis Rodman look like a choir boy. AND he could alienate a very large segment of the fan base, which could spell disaster for the arena, for the fan support, etc. Would it happen? No way of knowing, but the chance is there.

As far as Peja leaving and getting nothing in return, that is - quite simply - not going to happen. Petrie may like Peja but he's not a fool and he's not going to put Peja ahead of his (Petrie's) primary responsibility, which is to the Kings and the Maloofs. Just because we aren't hearing about anything, doesn't mean nothing is in the works. There is time for Petrie to make sure he gets the best possible deal, if trading Peja is going to happen. He has until Feb. 24 to either trade him or lock him up for one more year with an extension. SOMETHING will happen by then, but don't expect much advance notice. Petrie doesn't work that way.

How do you think the fan support along with the support for a new arena will be affected if the Kings keep doing the status quo and miss the playoffs? The way they are currently assembled, I don't see them turning it around that quickly, there could be a few trips to the lottery unless the Kings acquire some stud players who can do it on both ends.

Looking at the Webber trade, I'm not too confident about what other good players we can get for Peja instead of Artest.

 

[piksi]

Kind of like taking a week off b/c your pinky hurts right?

Or how about grabbing 2-4 boards when you're 6'10"?

What about doing nothing about draining shots all night until magically disappearing in the 4th??

Peja is a complementary player. The Kings need him to be a #1 option but he never will be. The Pacers need him in the complementary role he's perfect for.

The Kings would have a 3 year trial period with Artest who could be the #1 they so desperately need and the tough defense that's been lacking ever since Doug was traded.

I am not arguing for Pedja. I am arguing against Artest here.

3 year trial Period ? ----- I wish I could buy a car on 3 year trial Period.

 

[Team Dime]

When has Artest ever poven to be a number 1 option he thinks he is?

I don't think he's ever had the chance. He's been on the same team w/ Jermaine O'Neal and Reggie Miller. I know one thing though, he sure isn't afraid to take the big shots in the 4th quarter unlike #16 and he can create his own shot much easier than #10.

 

[Team Dime]

I am not arguing for Pedja. I am arguing against Artest here.

3 year trial Period ? ----- I wish I could buy a car on 3 year trial Period.

I don't think taking the risk on Artest is nearly as bad as trading away your franchise player for an overpriced pile of trash.

 

[piksi]

How do you think the fan support along with the support for a new arena will be affected if the Kings keep doing the status quo and miss the playoffs?

I am a new Kings fan (in my 7 year) but I would say that Kings fans supported Kings when they really sucked and since it is the only show in town - I don't see it changing any time soon. You win some - You lose some

 

[piksi]

Wow. Interestingly enough, that's almost exactly what I've been arguing...





It's not a low risk deal by any stretch of the imagination. Ron Artest could conceivably make Denis Rodman look like a choir boy. AND he could alienate a very large segment of the fan base, which could spell disaster for the arena, for the fan support, etc. Would it happen? No way of knowing, but the chance is there.

As far as Peja leaving and getting nothing in return, that is - quite simply - not going to happen. Petrie may like Peja but he's not a fool and he's not going to put Peja ahead of his (Petrie's) primary responsibility, which is to the Kings and the Maloofs. Just because we aren't hearing about anything, doesn't mean nothing is in the works. There is time for Petrie to make sure he gets the best possible deal, if trading Peja is going to happen. He has until Feb. 24 to either trade him or lock him up for one more year with an extension or sign him to a long-term contract. SOMETHING will happen by then, but don't expect much advance notice. Petrie doesn't work that way.

I still think that Petrie will try to resign Pedja or sign and trade him if the Kings manage to turn the season around.
Otherwise - Pedja might not be the only core guy that will be "voted out"

 

[AleksandarN]

I don't think he's ever had the chance. He's been on the same team w/ Jermaine O'Neal and Reggie Miller. I know one thing though, he sure isn't afraid to take the big shots in the 4th quarter unlike #16 and he can create his own shot much easier than #10.

But the problem is he thinks he is. We need a better player on and off the court and Ron Artest is not it.

 

[piksi]

I don't think taking the risk on Artest is nearly as bad as trading away your franchise player for an overpriced pile of trash.

One bad move is better than 2 bad moves

 

[Team Dime]

But the problem is he thinks he is. We need a better player on and off the court and Ron Artest is not it.

Well, there won't be better all around offer than Artest for Peja.

To be successful you have to take chances, that's what the Kings did with Webber.

 

[Team Dime]

I am a new Kings fan (in my 7 year) but I would say that Kings fans supported Kings when they really sucked and since it is the only show in town - I don't see it changing any time soon. You win some - You lose some

The fan loyalty is great, but I have to wonder why they would continue to sell out the arena with the current lack of effort.

Don't get me wrong, I'll always be a Kings fan, but it'd be pretty hard for me to fork over $50-$100 a ticket to watch the Kings continually sleep-walk on defense.

At least with Artest they'd have someone who'd definately get p!ssed off with losing and a lack of hustle. I think he'd force alot of his soft teammates to do the same simply out of fear.

If the Kings fans support is as good as VF21 says it is, I don't think it's going to waver too much if we got Artest and he started to pull some of his old shananigans.

 

[BigWaxer]

3 year trial Period ? ----- I wish I could buy a car on 3 year trial Period.

HAHA Point taken for sure. Think you gave me a good idea and I may try that strategy next time into the dealership!

Like I said I am so undecided on this issue and finally just saying screw it. I see a lot of pro's and a con. Just that one con is bad enough to cancel out the pro's. I imagine Petrie and Co are also having a time with this one. Glad I am not the GM, this is the sort of deal that can get your fired or make you look like the master of all good and evil!

 

[piksi]

HAHA Point taken for sure. Think you gave me a good idea and I may try that strategy next time into the dealership!

Like I said I am so undecided on this issue and finally just saying screw it. I see a lot of pro's and a con. Just that one con is bad enough to cancel out the pro's. I imagine Petrie and Co are also having a time with this one. Glad I am not the GM, this is the sort of deal that can get your fired or make you look like the master of all good and evil!

I think - that Petrie is aware of a bad move regarding CW. He is very reluctant to screw up again

 

[VF21]

Well, there won't be better all around offer than Artest for Peja.

To be successful you have to take chances, that's what the Kings did with Webber.

Webber has never been anything but the consummate professional on the court. To compare the two is ridiculous.

 

[chelle]

I think - that Petrie is aware of a bad move regarding CW. He is very reluctant to screw up again

I hope so.

I wonder what they all think when Webb has a game like tonight.

 

[Team Dime]

Webber has never been anything but the consummate professional on the court. To compare the two is ridiculous.

On the court.

How about off the court?? What happened in Michigan? What about the rape charges in Washington. He didn't get along with the coach in Golden State. What about missing 3/4 of the season due to a knee injury then missing another 6 games on top of it due to a drug suspension that you refuse to talk about?

Webber's no saint, it's not that ridiculous of a comparison.

 

[Team Dime]

VF21, just wait and see. If Petrie's smart enough to make the trade, then you'll have the same signature for Artest.

 

[piksi]

another 6 games on top of it due to a drug suspension that you refuse to talk about?

Webber's no saint, it's not that ridiculous of a comparison.

That is where he lost my support. I just could not identify with him anymore.

However - on the court - to my knowwledge - he had never done anything to be ashamed of. Ron on the other hand ...

 

[Warhawk]

I, too, am really beginning to think that the risks are just too great with Artest. It looks attractive if you close one eye and squint at him with the sun behind his back, but with both eyes open to the amazingly poor choices he has made and continues to make (as far as being devoted to his sport, if nothing else), I just can't see swapping them.

 

[Team Dime]

I, too, am really beginning to think that the risks are just too great with Artest. It looks attractive if you close one eye and squint at him with the sun behind his back, but with both eyes open to the amazingly poor choices he has made and continues to make (as far as being devoted to his sport, if nothing else), I just can't see swapping them.

As long as he can stay on the court, you know he'll give 100% as soon as the ball is tossed up.

 

[VF21]

On the court.

How about off the court?? What happened in Michigan? What about the rape charges in Washington. He didn't get along with the coach in Golden State. What about missing 3/4 of the season due to a knee injury then missing another 6 games on top of it due to a drug suspension that you refuse to talk about?

Webber's no saint, it's not that ridiculous of a comparison.

This crap stops now.

1. Michigan involved him taking some money from a booster. Not a crime.

2. The alleged rape charges were found to be totally without any kind of substance and were completely dropped. For you to even bring them up is specious at best.

3. He didn't see eye to eye with Don Nelson in Golden State. That's a crime all of a sudden?

4. Yes, he missed time because of a knee condition that required corrective surgery. You cannot hold that against him any more than you can hold Brad Miller' broken leg against him.

5. He served a suspension for his problems with the grand jury over lying about something that wasn't even a crime when it happened.

6. He served a suspension for a drug offense whose details are NOT known. It has actually been fairly widely speculated that the drug was a steroid commonly used in recovery to alleviate pain. We'll probably never know for sure.

If you're going to spout accusations, please at least get your facts straight.

The ONLY real reason Webber isn't still here is because Petrie was worried that he could end up injured again and his contract would be an albatross around the neck of the Kings.

Look at his performance right now. The albatross isn't the guy in PHilly. It's the three guys on the bench for Sacramento.

 

[DocHolliday]

I had issues with post injury Webber but I would never ever compare Webber with Artest.

Let me ask You a question

20 years from now

How will Kings fans remember Webber ?

How will Pacers fans remember Artest ?

Webber did not want to come and he would have left if any some other team offered as much money (obviously impossible). And we can say many things about Webber but we have to recognize the impact of CW in all the segments - not just Basketball.

Ron who ?

A players involvement in the community is fluff. It's nice if it happens, I don't really care if it doesn't. I care what happens on the floor. He's more potent defensively than Webber ever was even pre-injury. As for rebounding I don't know his stats, but I'm sure he could pull 10 down. As for points he could be just as offensively potent. He could drop 20 for you in a night, and he's been working even harder on his offensive game. Ron Artest, that's who. He's been labelled as one of the top 10 players in the NBA. RON ARTEST that's who.

 

[DocHolliday]

On the radio today, Napear said that there has been no Artest talk at all within the Kings org. He said that he doesn't think Petrie will take a chance on a player that could set the team back 10 years if it turned out to be a disaster. He thinks Artest is too "out there" for Petrie's taste.

I don't see this trade going down.

There were also absolutely no talk of trading Chris Webber a week before he was traded. That was a quote straight from Petrie's mouth.

 

[VF21]

As long as he can stay on the court, you know he'll give 100% as soon as the ball is tossed up.

Before you actually anoint him St. Ron, you might want to spend some time at www.PacersDigest.com Read the thoughts of the people who have watched him, have defended him time and time again, etc. The fans who have paid hard-earned money for season tickets in Indiana and then watched as their season hopes were flushed because Artest went nuts and attacked a fan.

You don't even know at this point if he'll even show up for the game. He might have another rap album to record or he might just decide to take a few days off for some phantom injury the doctors can find no trace of...

If you're going to talk about Artest, you need to at least be willing to face the reality of the situation.

 

[piksi]

He's more potent defensively than Webber ever was even pre-injury.

I am sorry, but I lost You here

 

[VF21]

It might be nice if this thread was allowed to resume its position as a regular trade thread. There is a very long Artest thread in the NBA forum, which is where this stuff actually would be better discussed.

Comments are getting segmented as people try and respond to two different discussions.

 

[DocHolliday]

Before you actually anoint him St. Ron, you might want to spend some time at www.PacersDigest.com Read the thoughts of the people who have watched him, have defended him time and time again, etc. The fans who have paid hard-earned money for season tickets in Indiana and then watched as their season hopes were flushed because Artest went nuts and attacked a fan.

You don't even know at this point if he'll even show up for the game. He might have another rap album to record or he might just decide to take a few days off for some phantom injury the doctors can find no trace of...

If you're going to talk about Artest, you need to at least be willing to face the reality of the situation.

These fans are made because he's asking to be traded. Admittedly the way he's going about it isn't the best, but he's getting results isn't he?? Othe than that he's been a good boy this year. They were talking about it on ESPN yesterday how he's been good with referee's and teammates on and off the court.

 

[AleksandarN]

A players involvement in the community is fluff. It's nice if it happens, I don't really care if it doesn't. I care what happens on the floor. He's more potent defensively than Webber ever was even pre-injury. As for rebounding I don't know his stats, but I'm sure he could pull 10 down. As for points he could be just as offensively potent. He could drop 20 for you in a night, and he's been working even harder on his offensive game. Ron Artest, that's who. He's been labelled as one of the top 10 players in the NBA. RON ARTEST that's who.

Since when can Ron Artest pull down 10 rebounds he rebounds as bad as our own small foward.

 

[Team Dime]

This crap stops now.

1. Michigan involved him taking some money from a booster. Not a crime.

2. The alleged rape charges were found to be totally without any kind of substance and were completely dropped. For you to even bring them up is specious at best.

3. He didn't see eye to eye with Don Nelson in Golden State. That's a crime all of a sudden?

4. Yes, he missed time because of a knee condition that required corrective surgery. You cannot hold that against him any more than you can hold Brad Miller' broken leg against him.

5. He served a suspension for his problems with the grand jury over lying about something that wasn't even a crime when it happened.

6. He served a suspension for a drug offense whose details are NOT known. It has actually been fairly widely speculated that the drug was a steroid commonly used in recovery to alleviate pain. We'll probably never know for sure.

If you're going to spout accusations, please at least get your facts straight.

The ONLY real reason Webber isn't still here is because Petrie was worried that he could end up injured again and his contract would be an albatross around the neck of the Kings.

Look at his performance right now. The albatross isn't the guy in PHilly. It's the three guys on the bench for Sacramento.

Wow, it's like I personally insulted you. Actually, Webber is one of my favorite players. I agree that we got nothing in return for him and have always been against the trade to Philly.

I'm just pointing out that Webber isn't as great of a guy that you think he is. I never said it was a crime that he took money from a booster, but it has always been against NCAA regulations. Michigan doesn't even acknowledge the Fab Five anymore. They spent at least 2 or 3 years on probation due to the fab fivers taking money.

You don't have to jump on me, I wasn't holding the knee injury against him. I'm saying it was a hard time as a fan to anxiously await his return only to have it delayed 6 games for a drug suspension. If it was only a steriod used to help in the recovery, then why not just come out and say so? What has he got to lose at that point? Also, I believe Webber has been busted for pot before, so there was definately some suspicion.

Just so ya know, lying to a federal jury IS a crime. Webber got very lucky that the booster Ed Martin died or he really could've been in alot more trouble.

Like I said I'll always like the guy, but not everyone looks at Webber through rose-colored Kings glasses.