OFFICIAL trade thread. Post trade proposals HERE! (merged)

Bricklayer said:
Okay while its getting late in the summer for this sort of thing, nut I was doodling, and just for funsies -- the Scrubalicious Bench and Supersized Six Deep Superstars Consolidation of Talent With A Side Order of More Bad Deals Than You Can Shake A Stick At scenario (based on a number of speculative assumptions): :p

(also known as the "Who The Hell Are These Guys?" scenario)

Move 1: Boston
Reasoning?: cap flexibility, shooting which they lack, and ability to go a different way next summer for them

Boston trades:
SF - Paul Pierce: $13.8mil, 3yrs remaining (yr 3 = player option)
PF/C - Raef LaFrentz: $10.0mil 4yrs remaining (yr 3 = player option)

Sacto trades:
SF - Peja Stojakovic: $7.6mil, 1yr remaining (basically, yr 2 = player opton + he WILL opt out)
PF/C - Brian Skinner: $5.0mil, 2yrs remaining (+ 3rd yr team option)
PF - Kenny Thomas: $6.1mil, 5yrs remaining

Move 2: Minnesota/Utah
Variation: same as last time I proposed it, but with Bibby instead of Peja, and with the Cassel/Kandiman ending contracts headed to Utah along with Martin and a pick. Also Trenton Hassel is thrown in to us.
Reasoning: Minn gets a new core, and a good playoff level team right out of the bag (Bibby, Wally, Boozer, Miller). Utah gets a salary dump with young players and picks, and sets them up for having a ton of money to spend in free agency next summer.

Sacto gets back:
PF/SF - Kevin Garnett: $18.0mil, 4yrs remaining
OG/SF - Trenton Hassel $4.0mil, 5yrs remaining

Minnesota gets back:
PG - Mike Bibby: $11.5mil, 4yrs remaining
C - Brad Miller: $8.8mil, 5yrs remaining
PF - Carlos Boozer: $11.6mil, 5yrs remaining (5th yr is player option)

Utah gets back:
PG - Sam Cassel: $6.1mil, 1yr remaining
C - Michael Olowakandi: $6.0mil, 1 yr remaining
OG - Kevin Martin: $0.9mil, 2yrs remaining (+ 3rd yr team option)
1st rnd pick

Move 3: San Antonio
Reasoning?: if they apparently offered Rasho for Abdul-Wahad and his two year contract, then Corliss and his similar contract seem pretty much the same thing.

San Antonio trades:
C - Rasho Nesterovic: $6.7mil, 4yr remaining

Sacto trades:
SF/PF - Corliss Williamson: $6.0mil, 2yr remaining

Move 4: Free Agency
Offer the full MLE to Earl Watson. Tell him its his team. Call it a 5 yr deal.

END RESULT :D :

C - Nesterovic, Age: 29
PF - Garnett, Age: 29
SF - Pierce, Age: 27
OG - Wells, Age: 28
PG - Watson, Age: 26

PF/C - LaFrentz, Age: 29
SF/OG - Hassel, Age: 26
PG - Hart, Age: 27
OG - Cisco, Age: 23

Upside: Obvious. We are right in the mix.
Downside: Every single member of the Top 7 except Bonzi has a big long term deal. No flexibility at all. The centers are also soft, so Garnett has to carry the load.. Need one more big, but money dictates the rest of the roster be filled out by minimum wagers.
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that team would be SICK!!! but bibby gone?=:( :mad: for me.
 
Rowdyone said:
How about Peja to Cleveland for Drew Gooden and Martynas Andriuskevicius (7'3"). Works on Realgm. Gives Cleveland and lineup of ;
PG - Hughes, Snow
SG - Lebron, Newblie, Jackson
SF - Peja,
PF - Donyel Marshall
C - Ilgauskas

And leaves us with the following (before any other moves..like Bibby to Boston for Pierce, etc....but that's another scenario);

PG - ______(Watson?), Hart, Price
SG - Bonzi, Martin, Garcia
SF - Thomas, Corlis (yes, I still like the idea of trying him here)
PF - Gooden, Skinner
C - Miller, Andre_____
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Peja is worth much more than Gooden... i think gooden could be had for someone like kenny Thomas
 
Rowdyone said:
How about Peja to Cleveland for Drew Gooden and Martynas Andriuskevicius (7'3"). Works on Realgm. Gives Cleveland and lineup of ;
PG - Hughes, Snow
SG - Lebron, Newblie, Jackson
SF - Peja,
PF - Donyel Marshall
C - Ilgauskas

And leaves us with the following (before any other moves..like Bibby to Boston for Pierce, etc....but that's another scenario);

PG - ______(Watson?), Hart, Price
SG - Bonzi, Martin, Garcia
SF - Thomas, Corlis (yes, I still like the idea of trying him here)
PF - Gooden, Skinner
C - Miller, Andre_____
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I guess Petrie might be a huge LBJ fan and want him to win, even in Cleveland. Or he's so sick of Peja he'd rather take some junk than deal with him for one last year. Or Cleveland fans invaded his body and made him do his bidding. Or he misses the good ol days when the Kings were the league laughingstock, and after a summer of competing with the Clippers, decides to attempt to usurp the crown of worst franchise in the league.
 
Theo Ratliff

Theo Ratliff is still being floated around the rumor mill as trade bait... if the kings could package Skinner and Corliss to Portland for theo ratliff, maybe they bite...

portland would get much cheaper pieces to play backup center and backup small/power forward, than ratliff.... and their contracts are shorter... the kings get a starting power forward that can alter games with his shot blocking... ratliff is still the best shot blocker in the nba!!!

Kings lineup... this would give the kings a defensive identity...

PF Theo Ratliff / Kenny Thomas
SF Peja Stojakovic / FA (Christie or Barnes?)
C Brad Miller/ FA (DeCleercq?)
SG Bonzi Wells / Martin / Garcia
PG Mike Bibby / Hart / Price
 
kingsofnba said:
Theo Ratliff is still being floated around the rumor mill as trade bait... if the kings could package Skinner and Corliss to Portland for theo ratliff, maybe they bite...

portland would get much cheaper pieces to play backup center and backup small/power forward, than ratliff.... and their contracts are shorter... the kings get a starting power forward that can alter games with his shot blocking... ratliff is still the best shot blocker in the nba!!!

Kings lineup... this would give the kings a defensive identity...

PF Theo Ratliff / Kenny Thomas
SF Peja Stojakovic / FA (Christie or Barnes?)
C Brad Miller/ FA (DeCleercq?)
SG Bonzi Wells / Martin / Garcia
PG Mike Bibby / Hart / Price
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I rather trade Kenny Thomas than Skinner. If we are going to get big contract I rather trade our big contract to go along with it.
 
kingsofnba said:
rumor has it that Magloire wants out of New Orleans... the hornets can not get anybody to sign with them, so they need bodies to fill roles... maybe the kings can send Kenny Thomas, Corliss and Skinner to N.O. for Magloire and PJ Brown... and the kings can throw in a 1st rounder to sweeten the deal... this would help N.O. by giving them a younger PF (Thomas) and Corliss and Skinner can possibly start for them.... the kings can use Maglorie at Center or PF and move Brad to the other spot:

Kings Get:
Jamaal Magloire
PJ Brown

Hornets Get:
Kenny Thomas
Brian Skinner
Corliss Williamson
1st round pick

PF Miller/ PJ Brown
SF Peja / FA (Christie?)
C Magloire / FA (Declercq?)
SG Wells/ MArtin/ GArcia
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price
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I like that a lot. Means we effectively turned Webber into Maglore and PJ Brown, which sounds a lot better than what we've done so far. I like the Maglore/Miller big frontcourt. Then we could use the MLE on a 4th big man and use the vet min on Barnes to back up Peja (although Wells and the kids would swing over a lot).
 
AleksandarN said:
I rather trade Kenny Thomas than Skinner. If we are going to get big contract I rather trade our big contract to go along with it.
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portland has gone on record that they want to be more salary cap responsible with their moves... not to take on bad contracts in their trades (i.e. Thomas).... so they probably would not go for a player with 5 years and 35mil left on his contract... therefore, portland would not make a move that puts them in a worse salary cap position... skinner and williamson is more cap friendly, thomas is not....
 
kingsofnba said:
Peja is worth much more than Gooden... i think gooden could be had for someone like kenny Thomas
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Gooden's a 6'10", 245# PF who's athletic, plays decent D, can play both Forward spots and has range out to the 3pt line. 49% FG, 81% FT, 9+ Reb, 2 APG, 1 SPG, 1 BPG and 14+ PPG. All better stats than Kenny and 3" taller. So why would Cleveland trade him to us for Thomas and his lousy contract? I'm not saying this is the best value we could get for Peja but if you can get two bigs for one borderline allstar SF looking for a big contract next year that will handcuff our team for years to come then I would have to seriously consider it. Power Forwards, especially those that weigh more than 225 are hard to find, especially athletic ones with a proven track record and lots of years ahead of him.
 
Rowdyone said:
Gooden's a 6'10", 245# PF who's athletic, plays decent D, can play both Forward spots and has range out to the 3pt line. 49% FG, 81% FT, 9+ Reb, 2 APG, 1 SPG, 1 BPG and 14+ PPG. All better stats than Kenny and 3" taller. So why would Cleveland trade him to us for Thomas and his lousy contract? I'm not saying this is the best value we could get for Peja but if you can get two bigs for one borderline allstar SF looking for a big contract next year that will handcuff our team for years to come then I would have to seriously consider it. Power Forwards, especially those that weigh more than 225 are hard to find, especially athletic ones with a proven track record and lots of years ahead of him.
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There is a reason why Memphis traded him halfway through his rookie year, and why the Magic traded him away last year, and why the Cavs might trade him again. He is a solid player, but I don't think he will be much more than that, and we could package Peja with somebody else to get a much better player, or trade Peja alone for a much better player.
 
And looking at his stats they don't seem too much better than KT's. Sure he is 3 inches taller, but he averaged the same number of points, and rebounds, and even though he is 6'10" he is still a weak shotblocker with less than 1 block per game.
 
Rowdyone said:
Gooden's a 6'10", 245# PF who's athletic, plays decent D, can play both Forward spots and has range out to the 3pt line. 49% FG, 81% FT, 9+ Reb, 2 APG, 1 SPG, 1 BPG and 14+ PPG. All better stats than Kenny and 3" taller. So why would Cleveland trade him to us for Thomas and his lousy contract? I'm not saying this is the best value we could get for Peja but if you can get two bigs for one borderline allstar SF looking for a big contract next year that will handcuff our team for years to come then I would have to seriously consider it. Power Forwards, especially those that weigh more than 225 are hard to find, especially athletic ones with a proven track record and lots of years ahead of him.
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Actually I think his D pretty much sucks and that's why he's on the block again. And there's no way that 6'10" measurement is accurate. I think 6'8" is probably closer to the truth. Basically he's short, soft, and none too bright in basketball terms. I'd take him straight up over KT just because he's younger and may still have potential to grow to be more, but he's no answer right now and there is a reason teams are always playing hot potato with him.
 
Why don't we go after this guy?

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He'll fit right in at Arco, since we already know he likes cow bells.

Ok, bad joke.
 
I heard this guy's got some serious athleticism. Isn't that what we all want?

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funkykingston said:
Why don't we go after this guy?

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He'll fit right in at Arco, since we already know he likes cow bells.

Ok, bad joke.
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wow. he looks really serious. im sure we could find him some minutes at backup pg along with price as he comes along, they could both be options behind bibby and hart. i say we do it. could be some good energy, and isn't a big risk because he'll be our fourth option.

cmon gp, work your magic.
 
captain bill said:
wow. he looks really serious. im sure we could find him some minutes at backup pg along with price as he comes along, they could both be options behind bibby and hart. i say we do it. could be some good energy, and isn't a big risk because he'll be our fourth option.

cmon gp, work your magic.
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I also heard he's going streaking tonight.
 
maybe we can sell 2 for 1 tickets...see a kings game and a gun show at arco in the same night. nice way for the maloofs to make a little extra cash. maybe even help pay for that arena.
 
West Pleased With Griz Revamp7th August, 2005 - 4:23 amMemphis Commercial Appeal - Jason Williams, James Posey, Stromile Swift and Bonzi Wells were large nails in the Grizzlies' reconstruction over the past several seasons.

Their recent departure represents just how much the team plans to renovate before the start of the 2005-06 season.

With Earl Watson expected to leave in free agency and a possible Lorenzen Wright trade on the horizon, the Grizzlies hardly have completed their much-needed and much-anticipated refurbishment.

Holding firm through all of the changes is Griz president Jerry West.

"If this does not work out, it's my fault," West said in a telephone conversation while traveling to Memphis. "This is what you have to do in my job. We all have our favorites. But you can't sit there and not try to improve our team."

That was West offering his general thoughts on shipping Wells to Sacramento for point guard Bobby Jackson, and later sending Williams, Posey and Andre Emmett to Miami for veteran guard Eddie Jones.

The Griz eventually came to terms Friday with free-agent point guard Damon Stoudamire to continue the overhaul of their roster.
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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36922/20050807/west_pleased_with_griz_revamp/

I say we get Wright to back-up Brad, or move Brad to 4 if we don't get get a starting caliber PF (which I doubt). I'd think the former anyways.

Hunter has already made it known he'll be with Dallas or Phoenix.
 
Something else just popped into my head, if we don't get Barnes, how about Corliss for Ruben Patterson (who is on the trading block)? I think he could be another good guy to fill back-up SF and brings what we need to the team, and bench (like players in my sig.). I don't know about their contracts though.
 
Reports out of Memphis are mentioning in pasing that we made a proposal for Lorenzen Wright (maybe as part of the Bonzi deal?) but were rejected. Don't think Wright would help much, but guess at least he's full sized. Which is probably one reason Memphis rejected the trade -- moneywise we would likely have been offering Thomas/Corliss. So we would have had to convince Memphis to take a much smaller tweener with a much longer deal. For us, may have been attempt to unload one of those crap contracts and get back one that was ending to free up cap room.
 
Ahh, well I didn't hear about that till just a few seconds ago:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36926/20050807/lorenzen_wright_trade_offers_come_pouring_in/

Commercial Appeal - Lorenzen Wright deals have poured in from at least a half dozen teams.

The most persistent suitors have been Toronto and San Antonio but both teams are offering less serviceable players and bloated contracts.

The Grizzlies have rejected those as wells as offers from Utah, Sacramento, Minnesota.
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But, we shall see. ;)

P.S. What the heck is Minnesota doing trying to get Wright, they have a load of big men already signed (not including Griffin), unless it was to replace Olowokandi. Spurs I bet wanted him to replace Rasho, and to back-up Okur for Utah.
 
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Kings113 said:
Ahh, well I didn't hear about that till just a few seconds ago:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36926/20050807/lorenzen_wright_trade_offers_come_pouring_in/





But, we shall see. ;)

P.S. What the heck is Minnesota doing trying to get Wright, they have a load of big men already signed (not including Griffin), unless it was to replace Olowokandi. Spurs I bet wanted him to replace Rasho, and to back-up Okur for Utah.
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The only reason teams probably want Wright is b/c he's expiring. I am sure his name was just one of many to pop up in the conversation that eventually led us to landing Bonzi. They didn't want to give up 2 exprinings worth around the 15 million $ mark. Don't blame them at all.
 
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