I dont get why people still would want to be patient with Pete. Its time for him to be fired ASAP because we cannot afford to lose a talent like Demarcus Cousins. Demarcus is as loyal as they come but at some point he will say enough is enough and people wont blame him. Ive lost all faith that Pete will be able to fix our Kings.
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I'm a STH and I want to see the games I have tickets for. I expect the team to get out of this funk and improve. Cuz has definitely fallen back in effort and performance mainly because he is dispirited but also because he is not near being back to where he was before his sicknesses - particularly in stamina. Gay is most effective when he is number two and to be that he needs Cousins. Collison is holding up well. Thompson is out of favor with the FO, imo, and is not being played enough. Ben has improved at lot and needed to but still a work in progress. Sounds like DWill was out with Malone but in with FO, we shall see. Rest of bench are so-so, some good spot players. Corbin seems like a smart coach and one that has the potential of getting the respect of the players but he has an uphill battle right now. PDA is challenged this season to make one more upgrade via trade. Hope he passes this test. Let's get
Cuz back in shape physically and mentally and get this machine working better.
Cuz back in shape physically and mentally and get this machine working better.
LOl that's it huh? What else did you expect him to do in a year's time, assemble a starting lineup of 5 all-stars? Cure cancer? Trade Jason Thompson for Lebron?
PDA's signings, trades, and draft picks are the least of his problems. I actually think he's been pretty good in terms of assembling the roster. This team has a hell of a lot better roster now then when he took over. It's actually kind of amazing how many dead contracts he was able to get rid of in a quick amount of time.
With that said his handling of the head coaching job and trying to force a style onto the team has been handled as poorly as it gets. He deserves crap for the Malone thing and what he is trying to do with the team now.
PDA's signings, trades, and draft picks are the least of his problems. I actually think he's been pretty good in terms of assembling the roster. This team has a hell of a lot better roster now then when he took over. It's actually kind of amazing how many dead contracts he was able to get rid of in a quick amount of time.
With that said his handling of the head coaching job and trying to force a style onto the team has been handled as poorly as it gets. He deserves crap for the Malone thing and what he is trying to do with the team now.
Yes it will. At that point, it's firmly on Vivek and Vivek will have a choice.
The fan revolt that's coming (unless DMC and Gay can turn this around), will put Vivek to a choice: start over with new GM this summer to get some cover and get his hands and bad ideas out of basketball operations; or become loathed by many fans.
And since Vivek owns less than 50% of the Kings, if Vivek is too obstinate for too long, the minority owners could make noise or try to lessen his control. Both Marcos and Aileen's column hinted at the minority ownership issue.
The fan revolt that's coming (unless DMC and Gay can turn this around), will put Vivek to a choice: start over with new GM this summer to get some cover and get his hands and bad ideas out of basketball operations; or become loathed by many fans.
And since Vivek owns less than 50% of the Kings, if Vivek is too obstinate for too long, the minority owners could make noise or try to lessen his control. Both Marcos and Aileen's column hinted at the minority ownership issue.
Is it? Bylaws are here: http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/mediacentral/NBA-Constitution-and-By-Laws.pdf
Member means "a person or entity." Don't see anything saying a city can't apply.
Of course, the league would probably say "hell no!," since bilking cash from local government to enrich billionaires appears to be a big part of their business model, but I would LOVE to see a city try. Crazy idea to think a city can make a $300MM investment and have an ownership share in it...
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I've never been this conflicted as a Kings fan. I just spoke on the phone to someone who did listen to the broadcast and she is nowhere near as angry at PDA as I am/was//have been. She said she reluctantly had to agree with him about our early wins this season, in that while we did win some games it wasn't sustainable and our losses were horrific.
She also said that PDA made it clear they are building for the future, they do not want to just get to the playoffs and drop off and they are going to be very busy between now and the trade deadline.
If true, that bodes well...I think.
I know one thing - Kings fans are not going to just settle for more uncertainty and more turmoil. At some point, and it had better be sooner rather than later, things have to show a definite step back in the right direction.
I've never been this conflicted as a Kings fan. I just spoke on the phone to someone who did listen to the broadcast and she is nowhere near as angry at PDA as I am/was//have been. She said she reluctantly had to agree with him about our early wins this season, in that while we did win some games it wasn't sustainable and our losses were horrific.
She also said that PDA made it clear they are building for the future, they do not want to just get to the playoffs and drop off and they are going to be very busy between now and the trade deadline.
If true, that bodes well...I think.
I know one thing - Kings fans are not going to just settle for more uncertainty and more turmoil. At some point, and it had better be sooner rather than later, things have to show a definite step back in the right direction.
i do wonder about this new regime, and about the actuality of their intentions. i certainly can't speak with authority as to their specific thoughts, but the evidence that we have so far offers enough clues that i feel comfortable painting a fuller picture; they've trumpeted their summer league victory on a number of occasions. they've turned their d-league team into a gigantic junkball experiment. they've clearly stated their desire to build a fast-paced offense despite the deficiencies in the kings' roster. they've clearly stated their desire to mold their players to fit that offense despite the deficiencies in the individual players. they've even acquired players that don't fit their stated desires. and they fired their defense-first head coach despite the results he was getting from his limited roster, and made a point of emphasizing that the decision would have been made no matter how many wins mike malone could have earned with that roster...
all told, i think they really do want to try and reinvent the wheel. it's not enough for these knuckleheads to win; they want to win a certain way, and for the life of me i can't understand why. as a kings fan, i'm certainly aware of the difficulties in building a winning brand in a small market like sacramento, and i think it's smart to consider every possible avenue for improvement, both internally and externally. but the new regime started off with a winning lottery ticket in demarcus cousins and a winning lottery ticket in the fans' good will, and they seem hell-bent on squandering both. they're not even through their second full season on the job, and they've got a fan base nearing revolt. i honestly believe that they've expended so much effort attempting to find ways to improve the team unconventionally that they weren't able to recognize a good thing when they had it, and now they've got to expend further energy attempting to repair the damage they've done--to themselves, to the fans, and to the team...
all told, i think they really do want to try and reinvent the wheel. it's not enough for these knuckleheads to win; they want to win a certain way, and for the life of me i can't understand why. as a kings fan, i'm certainly aware of the difficulties in building a winning brand in a small market like sacramento, and i think it's smart to consider every possible avenue for improvement, both internally and externally. but the new regime started off with a winning lottery ticket in demarcus cousins and a winning lottery ticket in the fans' good will, and they seem hell-bent on squandering both. they're not even through their second full season on the job, and they've got a fan base nearing revolt. i honestly believe that they've expended so much effort attempting to find ways to improve the team unconventionally that they weren't able to recognize a good thing when they had it, and now they've got to expend further energy attempting to repair the damage they've done--to themselves, to the fans, and to the team...
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Of course if after the Romans had done all that they also burnt down half the city, sacked the governor and replaced him with a toadie, and the people continued to starve and die of plague just as much as they had before, they might be legitimately put out.
Kings record before Romans: 28-54
Kings record afetr Romans yr 1: 28-54
Kings record after Romans yr 2: were headed for 41-41 at one point. Now death spiraling to...28-54. Or so.
In other words, where's a good barbarian when you need one. There are some heads that need lopping.
Kings record before Romans: 28-54
Kings record afetr Romans yr 1: 28-54
Kings record after Romans yr 2: were headed for 41-41 at one point. Now death spiraling to...28-54. Or so.
In other words, where's a good barbarian when you need one. There are some heads that need lopping.
I remember with Petrie I was like yeah we need to fire this guy. I understand that you're handicapped by the Maloofs and I understand why you're making some of the moves you're making but in the end, they just aren't working out anymore. No hard feelings, it's just time for a change.
With PDA is like W....T....F are you doing? How are you employed? How are you making more money than me? How are you getting away with completely raping a franchise that just began to turn the corner? You need to go far...far away. Forever. Don't ever come back. Don't ever show your face around the NBA again. You are the antithesis of what an NBA GM is paid to do. You are the worst GM to ever grace the game. Do everyone a favor.... resign and go quickly into that silent night.
With PDA is like W....T....F are you doing? How are you employed? How are you making more money than me? How are you getting away with completely raping a franchise that just began to turn the corner? You need to go far...far away. Forever. Don't ever come back. Don't ever show your face around the NBA again. You are the antithesis of what an NBA GM is paid to do. You are the worst GM to ever grace the game. Do everyone a favor.... resign and go quickly into that silent night.
I appreciate Dave and everyone who participated, but I feel like he got soft ball questions thrown his way. He twisted his words and said BS that was not called on. I expected this to be like the Jed York interview, but It was the exact opposite. I understand that you always have to be polite and respectful, but point out the BS guys! Tell him that wasn't the Q you asked and keep pushing it.
Very disappointing interview that literally told us nothing and made me more pissed at him.
Very disappointing interview that literally told us nothing and made me more pissed at him.
I have been clear that I do not agree with the move. That is, if I was in charge, Malone would still be the coach. So there will not be any "I told you so" coming from me.
What I am not doing however is making this move out to be some kind of catastrophe and blowing a head casket over it. Malone was an average coach at best and that is being kind to someone who won 37% of their games in a 100+ game trial. There are probably at least 10 coaches in the league better than him. Sure there were some signs of progress, but I understand if the the FO thinks that they could do better than Malone.
Perhaps "good enough" is not good enough for the new men in town.
I think the pre-meningitis record was unsustainable, for the simple reason our losses showed all of our glaring weaknesses. But we'll never know...and that has to add a lot of weight to the depression/confusion/uncertainty/etc. For once in a very long time, Kings fans had something to rejoice about. We'll never know how long it would have lasted but we know it all came to a screeching halt. Our first game - against the Warriors - may have been the most telling game of all but winning after that eclipsed the GSW loss.
I don't have answers. I go from one end of the spectrum to the other about PDA, the future of the team, etc. The only thing I know for sure is that I will not be attending any more games until something is resolved. For one thing, it's too far to have to drive home after a demoralizing loss. It's a short walk down the hall from my living room to bed, where I can bury myself under my covers.
I don't have answers. I go from one end of the spectrum to the other about PDA, the future of the team, etc. The only thing I know for sure is that I will not be attending any more games until something is resolved. For one thing, it's too far to have to drive home after a demoralizing loss. It's a short walk down the hall from my living room to bed, where I can bury myself under my covers.
As I mentioned earlier I mentioned in the post stream Q&A why it seemed like he built a roster specifically for Malone's style.
The answer was that the Vlade/CWebb teams ran, higher pace, more offense etc. It was frustrating to say the least.
If he didn't know that firing a coach without a high level replacement a third of the way in would torpedo the season then I'm worried.
If he knew it would torpedo the season but did it anyway because he'd rather lose in his style then see how far Malone could get with the team this season then I'm REALLY worried.
The answer was that the Vlade/CWebb teams ran, higher pace, more offense etc. It was frustrating to say the least.
If he didn't know that firing a coach without a high level replacement a third of the way in would torpedo the season then I'm worried.
If he knew it would torpedo the season but did it anyway because he'd rather lose in his style then see how far Malone could get with the team this season then I'm REALLY worried.
There is not 1 coach in NBA history who could have had a winning record last year. Not 1. Its a ridiculous thing to even suggest.
23 different players. 41 total games together for a mismatched Big 3. 3 major midseason trades. front office meddling in who would play or not. No starting PF or SG. No Landry. No backup PG. The list went on and on.
Using that as an excuse to fire him would be pathetic. But then again, not less pathetic than I expected. Create an impossible situation for your coach, then use that as an excuse to fire him. What Malone accomplished was actually fairly remarkable given that the Gerbil was actively fighting him all the way along.
23 different players. 41 total games together for a mismatched Big 3. 3 major midseason trades. front office meddling in who would play or not. No starting PF or SG. No Landry. No backup PG. The list went on and on.
Using that as an excuse to fire him would be pathetic. But then again, not less pathetic than I expected. Create an impossible situation for your coach, then use that as an excuse to fire him. What Malone accomplished was actually fairly remarkable given that the Gerbil was actively fighting him all the way along.
Wasn't that the new "group" and not just Vivek? I don't know. I thought I saw a CD tweet that said less than 50%. And the Bee articles seemed to flag the issue. If over 51%, he's bullet proof. If he has the biggest share (but not over 50%) the other owners want to back him but could get pretty nervous going forward.
Yet you keep ignoring the progress made with a near-complete roster overhaul, and a complete buy-in from the players to forge an identity. Career PER numbers from Cousins, Gay, Collison, McLemore (I think, just by default, right?)
Would the 9-6 pace have been sustainable? Were we just about to turn the corner, a trade or two from becoming Memphis West? We'll never know. All we have is conjecture. I think we would have had a pretty good picture at the end of the season, and I think it would have shown a team close to .500 ball, if not over, through the sheer will and desire to battle for their coach.
Would the bottom have fallen out? You can't make that claim as easily, since the body language and team effort was trending up.
Would the 9-6 pace have been sustainable? Were we just about to turn the corner, a trade or two from becoming Memphis West? We'll never know. All we have is conjecture. I think we would have had a pretty good picture at the end of the season, and I think it would have shown a team close to .500 ball, if not over, through the sheer will and desire to battle for their coach.
Would the bottom have fallen out? You can't make that claim as easily, since the body language and team effort was trending up.
I drove down, but I was immediately sick to my stomach after locking down the tickets the firing seemed to take place within a week. And after that game I won't buy tickets again based on a few tinges of hope.
I'm not going to abandon the team but I'm not going to pay for my "enjoyment" of it either.
I'm not going to abandon the team but I'm not going to pay for my "enjoyment" of it either.