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welp. Pete was sure right on the money. Look at all those winning teams woooooooooooooooo!

Greg Wissinger ‏@gwiss 5m
"We want to be top 3rd. Pace is what winning teams do" - @Pdoro
Top 10 teams in pace: GSW, BOS, PHI, PHO, DEN, MIN, LAL, HOU, DAL, SAC
Half of them are in the gutter.

I dunno, maybe maximize each players potential that plays in a theme that best supports them.

And who has one of the most successful team basketball approach in the league? Tried and tested? The Spurs, but if that's the top 10 well.....
 
What scares me is i have a feeling they are gonna do what Denver did with Carmelo, trade DMC off for parts that "fit" better for what they want to do.
The difference there being that Carmelo was not shy about saying he wanted out of Denver, despite being on relatively loaded, competitive teams. Cousins has said over and over that he is a King. I haven't seen anything suggesting otherwise.
 

VF21

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Kings fans are a special group. We are known for uniting and getting things done, even when it seems hopeless and impossible, PDA should know this.
I have a list of comments I'm making as I read the thread. I had to reply to this one right now, however.

I TOTALLY AGREE. We have fought too long and too hard to put up with lies, damned lies and statistics. And a GM who is proud that he's a lawyer and an agent, as though those credentials automatically make him competent to do his job.
 
The good news if this season goes very badly is we have no coach signed beyond the year to fire, and Pete may get the axe.

How much is Vivek's meddling?

I have no idea, but if we stink, consider Vivek may reorganize from top to bottom, he won't make the mistake of coach before GM once again.
 
Here's a question:

If Mullin doesnt want to coach, but wants to be involved, how would you feel if Vivek fired PDA and hired Mullin as GM?

PDA or Mullin?
 

funkykingston

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The point I'm trying to make is that the biggest acquisition in PDA's tenure - Rudy Gay - does not fit the running style. It's one thing to inherit Jason Thompson, a player not congruent with the running style . It's an entirely different thing to trade several players for a key guy in your running offense when he's not suited for the running style. This is where there is a total disconnect between the reality of the player and the vision he has for the team. At least with Collison, he got some of what was needed (he is fast), although a good case could be made that IT would be better in that style. Certainly, the FO in Phoenix thought IT would be a good fit in their running style. Again, there's a disconnect.

For me, the odd thing is that I agree with PDA about the ultimate goal moving the ball and having motion in the offense. I've long been a proponent of doing something similar to SA. But I completely disagree that we have the players to run that offense. I think Malone also didn't believe that the players he had were suited to have a running offense and that's where he and PDA butted heads. PDA didn't want to hear that the players he got for Malone couldn't run the running offense; Malone didn't want to hear the unrealistic expectations PDA had for the roster he put together.
I agree completely.

Malone had flaws as a coach and was making mistakes. And he absolutely needed a better offense with more ball movement and motion.

But you don't throw throw the baby out with the bath water. The team was competitive and forming an identity. And most of all winning at a much improved rate.

This isn't just about firing Malone. It's about wasting this season and starting all over again next year.
 
1. We were ISO heavy because that's our best players strength OKC is the same way. Collison isn't a strong pick and roll passer so we can't keep running that.

2. This is comical We lost leads cuse we have the worst bench in the nba nothing to do with conditioning. Maybe if those clowns kept IT on that team friendly contract we would have a bench.

3. We let Tyreke Evans walk why why why why why.
Imagine if we would've kept tyreke and IT, I feel like we let IT walk becaus of 'fit'
 

VF21

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Let me go ahead and disappoint you. Not much more candor off-air.

Of the 10 or so of us in the audience I'd guess only six of us got to ask questions. I had a few different things to ask but when I heard him mention Malone's record w/o Cuz I changed my question somewhat.

Afterward I waited a bit to give time to people that weren't on air before asking anything else. My last question to PDA was essentially:

"The disconnect to me is that to start this season I saw a grind it out, defensive minded coach who looked in lockstep with a GM who seemed to be giving him the exact type of players to play that sort of game. To be a tough playoff team ala Memphis. DeMarcus is the most talented big man in the league but best in the post. Rudy was ineffective in Toronto chucking from the perimeter but much more efficient under Malone getting post ups and attacking the basket, Thompson is a grinder down low, Landry is a post scorer, McLemore is best off the catch and shoot, spotting up in the half court and so on. This team seems built for the halfcourt - what about the roster to you says they should be a running team?"

The first words out of Pete's mouth - I **** you not - were: "Darren Collison, Derrick Williams, Omri Casspi, Ben McLemore, even Nik Stauskas" He then went on to say that Rudy needed to be more of a transition player to be effective, that he wasn't really a half court, physical player and that the nice thing about running is that you have a guy in DeMarcus Cousins that can get you a bucket any time. So you run out and try and get a hoop in transition and if you don't get a good look then you throw it into DeMarcus and let him work. To me, that's essentially admitting that Boogie isn't really suited for this type of offense.

Knowing he wouldn't answer a "Is Mullin the next coach?" question I was planning on asking why he was so willing to be patient with Ben and Nik and even DeMarcus but not allow Malone to grow as a coach and how the organization can get anywhere blowing up this season and then hiring a new coach next season too instead of letting something build and see where it goes. But honestly I was frustrated and I didn't think there'd be any more substance to come out so I was the first to leave.

I don't know how long the afterward Q & A went. If Capt. Factorial was there (I don't know his actual name) maybe he can fill in a bit more.
Capt. is Jeff.

THANK YOU so much for repping us. I don't have any problem with you being the first to leave. When he totally disrespected you and your question with that BS response, you did the honorable thing. The other choice you had would have been something Bricklayer has made reference to and I don't know how long it would have taken us to raise bail money. :)
 
what really irks me about pete d'allesandro's attitude is that it's entirely unearned. what has he done to deserve our trust in his "plan"? he's practiced law. he's been a player agent. he's crunched numbers as one small cog of the denver nuggets' front office. how does any of that fully qualify him to claim he understands how to implement a successful offense or a successful defense on the court (which, last time i checked, was the job of a coaching staff)? how does any of that fully qualify him to claim he knows better than those who have been around the game their entire lives? he's spoken in circles. he's contradicted himself. he's trumpeted empty platitudes, vague premonitions, and unexplained "data points." in this morning's interview, he came across as the worst kind of nba executive--one who actually believes that he knows what he's doing despite all evidence to the contrary. vivek had better wise up sooner rather than later...
 
Sooo what's the actual goal this season??
It better be to develop our youth, somehow get the core of Collison, Cousins, Rudy to think they have something to look forward to next season.

What really makes me angry right now, is I wasn't on the bandwagon of assault initially, I was patiently annoyed, and not an iota of improvement anywhere after this mess occurred.

Nothing, Zilch, nada.

So, get Nik and McLemore going.....keep the other pieces somewhat happy.

That's about all we can do.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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Lol, very true. But I believe discipline goes over MUCH better at the high school level than pros. But again, true statement
I don't necessarily disagree with your premise, vis-a-vis high schoolers versus professionals. My point is more that I do not believe that there is an aspect of basketball conditioning which focusing on defense makes unattainable.
 

VF21

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Thanks for representing us today.

I'm glad to hear that the mood in the room wasn't really a positive one, because I certainly wasn't buying what PDA was trying to sell, and it seems as if that was the general sentiment from those who were actually present.

I think it was mentioned earlier, but perhaps another grass-roots effort is in order.

I'm not really a twitter guy, but does anyone know the best places to tweet out that I will not be attending the Friday (Jan 7th) and Sunday (Jan 9th) games with my wife specifically due to the decisions the FO have made and the lack of direction and basketball acumen being displayed in subsequent interviews attempting to justify said decisions?
And unless changes are made that appear to have a semblance of a plan I don't plan on attending any more Kings games.

I'm not really up on who to send them to and what hash-tags make sense, so advice from people who live and breath that stuff would be great.
Tweet it to me @vladefan21 and I'll be happy to spread it far and wide. The problem with Twitter is you have to condense it into 140 characters or split message and sometimes all the parts don't get read. You might consider saying something like:

@vladefan21 @Pdoro @Vivek PDA made it clear he has no clue or plan. Attending future games not in our plans unless they #FixOurKings

And anybody else is more than welcome to use the same tweet. I'm trying to get more and more people to use the #FixOurKings hashtag because bottom line that's what we what. :)
 
Imagine if we would've kept tyreke and IT, I feel like we let IT walk becaus of 'fit'
Exactly and I'm 100% sure malone wanted tyreke and I'm positive he wanted IT. We still could have traded PP/Thortan/salmon and Jimmer for Gay as Toronto just wanted him out.

We could have had
Evans/IT or collison
Ben
Gay
JT
Cousins
 

VF21

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Damn I hate being right.

You will; recall I have been casting aspersions about this move being made to feature Derrick Williams and friends for a while now. And you could interpret half of our moves in that light.

My only lingering uncertainty is how/why guys like Reggie Evans and Ryan Hollins ended up on the roster. But Reggie could have just been a throw in when the real target was the erstwhile "Jet". And wonder if PDA just reluctantly giving Malone bottom of the barrel fillers for Malone's style and saving the splashy attempts for his own.
No you don't. You like being right. I do think you dislike the fact you were right about this particular thing. ;)
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
so without actually coming out and saying it...Pete has officially mailed the season in. He is so stubborn that he refuses to admit that he made a mistake and that you can't just fire a coach without it affecting how the locker room is going to respond. Another wasted season in Sacramento...this has become all too familiar here, sigh. I wouldn't be mad in the slightest if DeMarcus forced his way out because he is obviously working with some serious ineptitude at the head of the snake.
 

bajaden

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Well, I had to sit and let all that information percolate and simmer for a while before commenting. First the positives. PDA showed up and answered questions. I use the word "answered" loosely. And as a result of those answers, how much more do I know now, that I didn't know before? Well, I know that PDA has a future in politics if he chooses. But I digress. In one regard, this was a lose/lose for PDA regardless of what he said. I say that because I knew going in that he was limited in what he could say. You can't really talk about Karl being in your future, while at the same time saying that you hope Corbin, who in reality isn't in your future, being the possible coach of the future. Are you following me here? What the fans want to hear, and I know that PDA is aware of this, is that we want Karl as the future coach of the team. He may well be, but PDA can't say that.

Make no mistake, I'm not trying to paint PDA in a positive light. Quite the contrary. I don't know a dammed thing now that I didn't know before this debacle. I won't belabor you with going through the entire interview piece by piece because most of it was smoke and mirrors. But if we just concentrate on why Malone was fired, which prompted all this, I think we can get to the heart of the matter. The truth probably is, that PDA and Malone didn't agree on much of anything. PDA said that they were unhappy with the Kings running mostly isolation plays with Cousins and Gay. OK, but excuse me, wasn't it PDA that just resigned Gay to a new contract, while knowing that what Gay excels in is isolation. That's who he is! That's what he's good at. Isn't it PDA that just resigned Cousins to a long term contract while knowing that Cousins is a low post player that excels in isolation play. So you give a coach a team where his two best players are isolation players, and then fire him for using them to the best of their abilities.

Now I'm not saying that you couldn't alter what they do to some degree to get others involved. Especially Cousins who I think is open to anything as long as it results in a win. But for that to happen, you need to put the right pieces around them. And in the interview, PDA admits that our bench leaves much to be desired. As they say, you can't make a silk purse out of a cows ear. I have no idea what the hell that means! PDA said, that while Malone went 2 and 7 without Cousins, he sort of implied that Malone deserved some slack because Cousins was out. But he also implied that a better coach could have/would have won more games during that span with Rudy and company. Which factored in to the decision to fire Malone. An abstract argument at best. Or as Rainmaker likes to say, a straw dog argument. No way to prove or disprove it.

He also said that he liked the way our summer league team was playing, and expected that to continue into the season. Really? Now I grant you, that watching our summer league team play this year was fun. But there are so many variables in the competition that its impossible to project much of anything other than maybe, how individuals play. I mean come on, Stauskas looked like a veteran NBA player in summer league. He looked better than McLemore. But once the real season began, reality set in. Because something works in summer league, doesn't mean it will work during the real season. You get ten fouls for gods sake. OK, I get it. PDA has a vision for the team, and Malone had a different one. And that folks is at the heart of this entire matter. You know whose fault that is? Vivek's!

There is a reason that owners hire their GM's first. As an owner, hopefully you have a vision of how you want your team to play. And with that in mind you would then hire a GM that has that same vision. With that established as the vision of the future, the plan of the future, the GM would then go out and find a coach with credentials that shares that same vision. In other words, everyone from the top to the bottom is on the same page. Buts that's not what happened. Vivek went and hired Malone. I don't know his reasons and I won't speculate. He then hired PDA. So now you have a coach with one vision and a GM with a different vision. The question at that point was, how long before push came to shove. The result was going to be the same, it was just a matter of when. In this case, the timing couldn't have been worse, and I lay that directly at the feet of PDA.

It's really that simple. PDA and Malone were never on the same page from the beginning. And that's not PDA's fault, nor Malone's fault. That's Vivek's fault. At the time it happened (Malone's hiring), it was mentioned as unusual, and not normally done. Then it was swept under the rug and forgotten. But it was there festering, and eating away at PDA. He saw Malone as an obstacle to what he wanted to accomplish. And remember folks, this was PDA's first gig in the bigtime. This was his chance to put his imprint on the team, and the NBA. And he wasn't going to let Malone get in the way of that. This happens all the time in the NBA for the same reasons. It's just done better. From a PR point of view, when your trying to sell tickets, and that's the view that counts, it was clumsy and incompetent. Enough to get PDA fired? Probably not. But from this point on, all eye's will be on him, and all mistakes will be magnified. It's known as shooting yourself in the foot. There's nothing worse than a self inflicted injury.