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Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else but found it pretty interesting. Apparently Nocioni wants out of Sac. He is quoted as saying,

"I wish I get moved," Nocioni told ESPNdeportes.com. "I believe they have proved that I'm not part of this group. So I don't have any problem. I just accept it. I think that not being part of a group or not being in coach's plans is not so bad."

Nocioni and his 7.5 million a year has become Kenny Thomas part 2. He is just in the way of the development of our young wings, Casspi and Donte and should be moved this summer. I dont see anyone really interested in his contract so if he doesnt want to be here, i hope we can just buy him out. He can then go sign with another team which is perfectly fine with me. Hopefully we can trade him for some chips and salsa...they would be a great addition to Reke's ROY party!!!:p

As ESPNdeportes would say, Adios Nocioni!!!
 
it's apparent he isn't in our plans. however, we can't just take back bad contracts just to appease him. hopefully, we can find a suitable trade partner that can put him in their rotation.
 
No surprise. I'm guessing the Kings and Noc are on the same page. But GP is not going to move Noc, just because he wants to be moved.
 
Agreed. I dont see us taking on worse contracts just to make him happy. Maybe once some of the big dominos (lebron, wade bosh etc) start to fall in place a team on the outside looking in could make a move for him that would strengthen their depth. A team trying to salvage a year or two with their roster...suns, spurs, celtics etc. A late offseason move is our best hope right now i think.
 
Nocioni to Charlotte for Tyson Chandler would be a good deal..

1) It makes financial sense. The Bobcats need to reduce salary to avoid the luxury tax while the Kings aren't even at the minimum cap level. They can afford to bring on the extra 6 million that Chandler makes over Nocioni.

2) Makes basketball sense. Chandler gives the Kings a defensive and rebounding presence that they lack in the pivot. Even if they draft a big man, it could be someone like Whiteside, who is a long way off and may see D league time. Chandler can start immediately.

Balances out the King roster as well. They aren't deep at C but already have Greene and Casspi at SF. This move balances out the roster.

As for Charlotte, they have 4 centers under contract and nobody after Wallace at SF. This move would balance out their roster as well.

3) Cap flexibility for the Kings. While they add salary this year, they reduce it for coming seasons as Chandler is off the books this summer while Noc still has multiple years.
 
He's not a bad player to come off the bench. I think he's saying that, because he's not the 1st or 2nd guy off the bench all the time. I mean we had Cisco out, that gave more time to Noc. Withi him back, it takes it away.

Noc isn't a bad guy to have coming off the bench, earlier sometimes, because of matchups. If he can accept that role, I don't see what the problem is.

If he's just stating that he's not going to be a starter, or the 1st guy off teh bench, yeah, he's right. If that's what he's looking for I think he needs to have better shot selection. He always has hustle and pretty good defense, but he just takes bad shots at times.
 
This is an example of another peice of crap deal by the GM that has slowed down our rebuilding. Its sad really.
 
Maybe if he didn't always chuck up 3 pointer air balls he would play more. Of course, he is not in our long term plans and everyone knows it.

Question for people that know more about the business side of basketball then me....

If both sides want out of a contract, just because they can't stand each other, is there a way they can just cancel the contract?
 
Heuge said:
This is an example of another peice of crap deal by the GM that has slowed down our rebuilding. Its sad really.
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I don't really agree. We got rid of Salmons and Brad Miller with that trade. Salmons and Miller were worse for team development than Nocioni. At least Nocioni's salary goes down every year.

Besides, I think Nocioni is a tradeable player and can be a part of a deal that gets us something we do want.
 
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Amory said:
If both sides want out of a contract, just because they can't stand each other, is there a way they can just cancel the contract?
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Yes, but players never do that. They occasionally allow their contract to be bought out, but that's kind of an expensive proposition for the team, and (I'd think) pretty unlikely in this economic climate.
 
Noc interview-ESPN Deportes

A few quotes from an interview with Noc on ESPN Deportes. I used google translator, but obviously the translation isn't perfect.

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=991688&s=bas&type=story

I hope not. I wish that I move aside, hopefully," said albiceleste, which is currently in his second season with the Kings, on the sidelines with ESPNdeportes.com. "I think that here have shown that one, I'm not part of this group. So I have no problem. Just accept it. I think that not being part of a group or not in the plans of coach or people there is nothing wrong. So what I do. "

"For me it is very difficult. Still do not understand what happened. Why there was so much change. Why I found myself playing 30 minutes and suddenly I had to play five, or not to play, or play 10. No, no, I do not know why. So, as I say, sometimes you do not have the answer, "Nocioni said.

I, owner does not want to be. I'm not a star and not think it is incumbent on a NBA team. I think so I am a player who can play 20 minutes, 25 minutes and able to perform consistently," said Nocioni. "So, well, whatever, so we have to accept it. Do not think he has done nothing wrong."


Noc is obviously voicing his displeasure in this interview. Doesn't sound like he has requested a trade, but looks like that might happen this summer. I won't make much out of this at this point, given I understand how fustrating it can be on a rebuilding team at this point in his career. I just don't want to see a problem develop down the road if for some reason there aren't any takers for his contract this summer.
 
Well of course he wants out. I would want out too in that situation. And of course we would like to HELP him get out -- it was pretty much common knowledge we were trying to move him the entire first half of the season. He's obviously highly duplicative of a whole swath of younger talent we have. But just like Kenny its the contract stupid. Kenny coming to Sacto was not only a disaster for us, it was a disaster for him too -- basically wasted his entire prime on the practice squad, all because of his contract. And of course, hi, I'm getting paid $8,000,000 a year, pity me, doesn't work. But it did destroy the heart of his chosen career, and in a young man's game he can never get that back. Noc is in a similar position.

I had some halfhearted hopes that his contract declining rather than increasing might tempt somebody looking to shave a few bucks at the trade deadline (trade for Noc at $9mil this seaosn for your $9 mil player, next year Noc only costs you $8mil, your former player would have cost you $10mil as his contract went up -- save $2mil), but it just wasn't to be. And now the best thing he ever did -- sign a giant mega contract that made him extremely rich for life -- is the thing that is probably going to destroy his career the same way it destroyed Kenny's. I he was earnign $3mil and his conract were up next season, we could probably move him. At three times that and with minscule numbers as a deep bencher, its hard to see that happening now. Maybe as a salary matching throw in in a bigger deal. But with Kevin gone, no longer sure what that deal would look like.
 
kennadog said:
I dion't really agree. We got rid of Salmons and Brad Miller with that trade. Salmons and Miller were worse for team development than Nocioni. At least Nocioni's salary goes down every year.

Besides, I think Nocioni is a tradeable player and can be aprt of a deal that gets us something we do want.
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But like the Webber deal, we could have been rid of Miller and Salmons this summer. Now we have a contract for another 3 years.
 
fnordius said:
Yes, but players never do that. They occasionally allow their contract to be bought out, but that's kind of an expensive proposition for the team, and (I'd think) pretty unlikely in this economic climate.
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Ya, I'm sure it won't happen....just wanted to know if it was possible.

If he REALLY wanted out he should do that! It pisses me off when basketball players demand a trade. All they have to do is ask the team to cancel the contract and they could be out in a second!

Like Brick said:
hi, I'm getting paid $8,000,000 a year, pity me, doesn't work.
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If he played better he would earn more minutes. Nobody is entitled to minutes just because he used to play 25 a night before. Maybe he's been hanging out with A.I.
 
Trueblood said:
Nocioni to Charlotte for Tyson Chandler would be a good deal..

1) It makes financial sense. The Bobcats need to reduce salary to avoid the luxury tax while the Kings aren't even at the minimum cap level. They can afford to bring on the extra 6 million that Chandler makes over Nocioni.

2) Makes basketball sense. Chandler gives the Kings a defensive and rebounding presence that they lack in the pivot. Even if they draft a big man, it could be someone like Whiteside, who is a long way off and may see D league time. Chandler can start immediately.

Balances out the King roster as well. They aren't deep at C but already have Greene and Casspi at SF. This move balances out the roster.

As for Charlotte, they have 4 centers under contract and nobody after Wallace at SF. This move would balance out their roster as well.
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This is not, in fact, true. Charlotte has Derrick Brown as the backup SF, and they also have the ability to slide 6'8" Stephen Jackson to SF, and bring in Stephen Graham and Gerald Henderson at SG.

The Bobcats don't need another SF, and don't actually have use for Nocioni.
 
Amory said:
If he REALLY wanted out he should do that! It pisses me off when basketball players demand a trade. All they have to do is ask the team to cancel the contract and they could be out in a second!
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Would you cancel your $27mil contract knowing you will never again earn a fraction of that?

Neither would I. People throw that out there sometimes, but its kind of a strawman. Nobody would, and the whole "he would if he wants to play and/or compete" thing is just a false lead too. Nobody would do that either. Playing is great. Competing is great. But not at the cost of $20million dollars. The contract and the $$ are wonderful for him, but they are a trap too.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
This is not, in fact, true. Charlotte has Derrick Brown as the backup SF, and they also have the ability to slide 6'8" Stephen Jackson to SF, and bring in Stephen Graham and Gerald Henderson at SG.

The Bobcats don't need another SF, and don't actually have use for Nocioni.
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I'm not sure Derrick Brown, Stephen Graham, and Gerald Henderson actually qualifry as "somebodies", even collectively. :p
 
They're nobodies on offense, I'll grant you, but they're LBJ players, especially Graham. As long as he's their coach, they're a better fit than the Argentinian.

Take my word for it, nobody in this board watches more Bobcats games than me: they don't want Nocioni.
 
LWP777 said:
If he played better he would earn more minutes. Nobody is entitled to minutes just because he used to play 25 a night before. Maybe he's been hanging out with A.I.
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Hey, I'm sure that could be arranged if he'd like to hang with AI...we'd gladly take Thaddeus Young or Speights in return, eh? :D
 
I'm sure if we find a team that will give us something of semi value for him, and be willing to take on his contract, he will be traded asap...

outside of that, he should be glad he's not part of the mess in Chicago still... and have limited minutes and not in future plans there either... but with way more pressure and criticism.

Noc should consider Sac a 1-2 season regrouping... I'm sure a playoff team will want him trade deadline next year when his contract is not so long. He should stay positive for that... and in the meantime keep his value up! ;)
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
They're nobodies on offense, I'll grant you, but they're LBJ players, especially Graham. As long as he's their coach, they're a better fit than the Argentinian.

Take my word for it, nobody in this board watches more Bobcats games than me: they don't want Nocioni.
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You traitor you! :D
 
rainmaker said:
Noc is obviously voicing his displeasure in this interview. Doesn't sound like he has requested a trade, but looks like that might happen this summer. I won't make much out of this at this point, given I understand how fustrating it can be on a rebuilding team at this point in his career. I just don't want to see a problem develop down the road if for some reason there aren't any takers for his contract this summer.
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I think you're reading things into the interview that simply are not there. I don't see displeasure as much as I see simple frustration...and it's totally understandable.

I don't have a problem with the interview and I understand Noc's point of view. He's not dissing the team, badmouthing the front office, etc. He's acknowledging what every Kings fan has known and/or hoped for... that Andres Nocioni is not a part of the future of the Sacramento Kings. And he's saying that's pretty much the way things go in the NBA.

He's pretty honest in his comments. He wants to play and be part of a team, not just sit on the bench as an observer. I think that's the attitude of most professional athletes.

I wish him well in the future.
 
VF21 said:
I don't have a problem with the interview and I understand Noc's point of view. He's not dissing the team, badmouthing the front office, etc. He's acknowledging what every Kings fan has known and/or hoped for... that Andres Nocioni is not a part of the future of the Sacramento Kings.

He's pretty honest in his comments. He wants to play and be part of a team, not just sit on the bench as an observer. I think that's the attitude of most professional athletes.

I wish him well in the future.
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Yeah, I agree. He's just in an unfortunate position at this point in his career. He saw first hand what happened to Kenny Thomas, and I'm sure he doesn't want to suffer the same fate. So one can't blame him for wishing to be somewhere else. Lets hope the Kings can find him another home this summer.
 
Bricklayer said:
Would you cancel your $27mil contract knowing you will never again earn a fraction of that?

Neither would I. People throw that out there sometimes, but its kind of a strawman. Nobody would, and the whole "he would if he wants to play and/or compete" thing is just a false lead too. Nobody would do that either. Playing is great. Competing is great. But not at the cost of $20million dollars. The contract and the $$ are wonderful for him, but they are a trap too.
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Your reference of K9 losing his prime years due to his contract is a sort of strawman as well; we all make choices that cause us to lose an opportunity for something. To speak with empathy of him losing his prime because he is in a contract is as much strawman as saying he can get out if he wants.

By choosing to work, you automatically lose X amount of hours everyday. You can say you are losing the prime sun hours of the day. But you get paid. That's how a job works. Some work jobs they hate for the sake of their family, sacrificing their prime years. You can say EVERYONE does X during their life, losing their prime years. I'm not really following why you choose to bring that up. By sleeping, I lose out on a lot of prime drinking time. By waking up in the AM, I lose a lot of prime sleeping time.
 
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