No need for high draft picks, rebuild with youth through Artest and Bibby Trade

[KingsCitizen]

At this point of the season getting high drafts picks for us is already a lost race with already about 5-7 teams looking ready to drop the season. But with both Artest and Bibby now healthy and the unexpected good performance of our scrubs-turned-gems bench players, trading these 2 stars at this point is a golden opportunity to rebuild without putting hopes on the lottery balls.

Surely we have an abundance of good wing players but with soft and old(Miller/Moore) or still young(Hawes/Williams) bigs, we still need to upgrade. My trade suggestions to start youth rebuilding and upgrade the bigs are:

Bibby = Claxton + Horford + Draft picks/cash

With enough young bigs(Williams, Smith) Atlanta may just let go of Horford with Claxton for Bibby whose outside shooting and point maturity should complement well with Joe Johnson and their bigs. The Kings will get a young double2x big man(Horford) for our frontcourt and an insurance mature PG in case Udrih will not sign back with the team.

Artest = Deng + Ty Thomas/Noah

Now the Bulls are in an unexpected season slump and may just be willing to tweak the line-up and release some of the young guys for Artest( Big Ben's best friend ). Artest for Deng is the key trade here since they play the same position but Artest may just be who the Bulls need to stand up as the leader since Deng is a bit of a passive personality. He'll also complement with Gordon, who is a small OG who basically needs a much better defensive forward at his back to pick up his defensive liability. And releasing one young big, they might just solve their issue on dividing the minutes of the bigs.The Kings will get Deng who will complement well with Martin/Salmons as he's not a ball hog but a legit star. Either Noah or Thomas will fortify the front line of the Kings with youth insurance.

Kings lineup will be:

C - Miller/Williams/Hawes
PF - Moore/Horford/Thomas or Noah
SF - Deng/Garcia/Jones
SG - Martin/Salmons/
PG - Udrih/Claxton/Douby

Another issue solved here is ego management as the new guys arriving are more passive(except maybe for Noah IF?). Martin, Salmons or Miller will stand as leaders which as observed can co-exist well on court.

Let's discuss some more possibilities on this thread. We may just give Petrie enough idea before trade deadline.

 

[ovrush]

we couldnt put together any package with our entire roster including KMart that would land us Horford

As for the second trade I doubt we could get Ty Thomas and a pick for artest... If they were hesitant to trade Deng for Kobe i think they'd be downright offended at this offer.


You are pretty right on about the lottery picks though, we aren't going to realistically land a frnachise player through the draft

 

[=LarryLegend=]

You are pretty right on about the lottery picks though, we aren't going to realistically land a frnachise player through the draft

i dont know about this.....with bibby and artest back in the lineup, I think we will lose alot more games.

Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, Nicholas Batum, Dj

 

[KingsCitizen]

Artest will have player option this summer and things are also uncertain for Udrih, Jones, and Justin after this season. So getting trades done this season is a good insurance. Dropping the season will not always bounce the same with the pingpong balls. Just ask Memphis or Boston. Boston dropped the season but messed up in the lottery. But then Ainge did well enough with the trades.

 

[Jespher]

I absolutley love these two trades from a Kings perspective, but I'd be hard pressed to do this if I was an executive for either Chicago, or Atlanta. Atlanta is up and coming now, and has Acie Law at PG, and Chicago has such a deep young team, that I would think that they'd have much better options. But from a Kings perspective, these would be the best moves in the whole wide world.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

get real man. this is bibby we're talking about, not CP3. bibby is NOT going to net us horford. kmart won't even net us horford. i dont think atlanta is looking to trade any of their young guys with the exception of childress.

we need to clear out some capspace, poss. young guys, picks. look at what portland did. they moved alot of players out, brought in some young guys, STASHED PLAYERS IN EUROPE. (joel freeland, peteri kopponen, and some spanish player with the last name fernandez) dude they are SET for the future. they will be contending for a championship for a long long time. portland is doing it the right way with a solid game plan. i just don't know why petrie doesn't take the same approach as dumars, rc buford, kevin oconnor and kevin pritchard. they stash alot of talent overseas (late draft picks, 2nd rounders) if those players end up being good .. they bring em in or trade them for more picks/players. its so simple its disgusting.


this is all happening while we keep plugging holes in a sinking ship.

 

[bajaden]

No offense, but the none of these trades are realistic. Would I do them. SURE. We would have to drug Chicago and Atlanta to get them done.

 

[Gary]

While Horford is untouchable, Williams (Shlden) isn't. I saw a lot of him at Duke, and some of him late last year. The kid can rebound, and block shots. He doesn't have much in the way of offense, but does play hard when given the chance.

 

[VF21]

Artest = Deng + Ty Thomas/Noah

While that would be incredible for the Kings, there is most likely NO WAY short of incriminating photos that the Bulls could be persuaded to do the deal.

 

[Bricklayer]

There is no way either of thoise trades could possibly happen -- hence the high draft pick approach. If we could jsut trade our problematic middelaged stars for some of the top young studs in the game, rebuilding would be oh so very easy. But that's not how it works unfortunately.

 

[hrdboild]

While Horford is untouchable, Williams (Shlden) isn't. I saw a lot of him at Duke, and some of him late last year. The kid can rebound, and block shots. He doesn't have much in the way of offense, but does play hard when given the chance.

Good point, Shelden Williams is probably obtainable -- though it depends how much Atlanta wants a new point guard. They obviously don't need another SF, but if they think they're ready to make a push for the playoffs they could probably use an upgrade at PG. Salaries are a problem though. They would have to give up a lot to get Bibby's contract. I don't really see it happening for that reason.

 

[BawLa]

Good point, Shelden Williams is probably obtainable -- though it depends how much Atlanta wants a new point guard. They obviously don't need another SF, but if they think they're ready to make a push for the playoffs they could probably use an upgrade at PG. Salaries are a problem though. They would have to give up a lot to get Bibby's contract. I don't really see it happening for that reason.

Not really.

Williams, Wright and Claxton for Bibby works in the trade checker.

Wright is an expiring that we could dump immediately or use for this year. Claxton is a crap contract but is exactly as long as our other crap contracts, so it wouldn't hurt the rebuild. It makes sense from both sides. We just have to figure out the shuffle. Who gets the boot, etc.

 

[Glenn]

I have a question: if you have a maximum number of players, can you make a trade that takes you over the max or must you drop someone from your present lineup before the trade to make room?

 

[hrdboild]

Not really.

Williams, Wright and Claxton for Bibby works in the trade checker.

Wright is an expiring that we could dump immediately or use for this year. Claxton is a crap contract but is exactly as long as our other crap contracts, so it wouldn't hurt the rebuild. It makes sense from both sides. We just have to figure out the shuffle. Who gets the boot, etc.

Yeah the numbers make sense except Marvin Williams is a starter, 21 years old, and a former #1 pick. I don't think any franchise in the NBA makes that trade.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

[nitpick]

Williams was a #2 pick.

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[Gary]

Yeah the numbers make sense except Marvin Williams is a starter, 21 years old, and a former #1 pick. I don't think any franchise in the NBA makes that trade.

Was talking Shelden Williams, not Marvin. BTW, Shelden was a #5 pick hehe I know you all were talking about Marvin though lol.

Right now Atlanta isn't even playing Williams. I know you were talking about the wrong Williams though, so that makes the possibility of them trading him much higher. It's funny though, not sure why Williams doesn't get PT. It's not like he's 6'7 225lbs PF. He is an inch or so shorter than your normal PF, but he has REAL long arms, and gets up pretty well. A bit mechanical, but by no means a slouch.

When Williams does get the PT he produces. I think he's one of the top/per48 in the league.

 

[VF21]

I have a question: if you have a maximum number of players, can you make a trade that takes you over the max or must you drop someone from your present lineup before the trade to make room?

You cannot exceed the maximum number of players without a waiver from the league for "hardship"...and then it can only be for a short period of time. I don't think a trade would be considered a hardship.

 

[Heuge]

You cannot exceed the maximum number of players without a waiver from the league for "hardship"...and then it can only be for a short period of time. I don't think a trade would be considered a hardship.

does Kenny Thomas count as hardship

 

[Warhawk]

You cannot exceed the maximum number of players without a waiver from the league for "hardship"...and then it can only be for a short period of time. I don't think a trade would be considered a hardship.

But wasn't Beno cut this way? Traded to the Wolves and immediately cut because of too many players?

Maybe in the trade documentation sent to the league you can specify that a player being traded for will immediately be waived?

 

[Glenn]

You cannot exceed the maximum number of players without a waiver from the league for "hardship"...and then it can only be for a short period of time. I don't think a trade would be considered a hardship.

If so, any trade that takes in more players than we give out also has to include what players from the Kings roster will be waived or renounced to allow the trade to occur.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Good point, Shelden Williams is probably obtainable -- though it depends how much Atlanta wants a new point guard. They obviously don't need another SF, but if they think they're ready to make a push for the playoffs they could probably use an upgrade at PG. Salaries are a problem though. They would have to give up a lot to get Bibby's contract. I don't really see it happening for that reason.

Right now, Petrie should better be talking to Atlanta as the Hawks clearly talking about roster changes. And they might just be needing Artest to make a good playoff push. I was for Bibby to Atlanta trade last time. But I think an Artest to Atlanta for Childress and Shelden Williams is a much easier trigger to pull this time. The Hawks already have crowded frontline(with Smith, Williams, Zaza, Horford, and Wright), so they might just release Shelden in a hearbeat. Childress is playing SF, so Artest can take his place. One more thing that could make the Hawks confident in this trade is that by next season, many contracts will be off their books and they should have more convincing position to resign artest.

As for the Kings, their interest in Nene can come in cheaper package with S. Williams. His another big body PF but is only 3 Mil. and will be cheap till 2011. The guy was also 5th overall pick of 2005. Who knows he might just play inspired basketball with the Kings. If he'll be a bust(but I don't think so) at least his way much cheaper than having KT/Reef. Childress can be a good rotation player at the wing..Plus his long and quick.

We'll just have to deal with KT/Reef/Bibby later.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

we are currently slotted at 14th....wow!

 

[KingsCitizen]

Maybe Petrie read some parts of this thread. lol!
Some good points from hrdboild (except the last sentence).

Good point, Shelden Williams is probably obtainable -- though it depends how much Atlanta wants a new point guard. They obviously don't need another SF, but if they think they're ready to make a push for the playoffs they could probably use an upgrade at PG. Salaries are a problem though. They would have to give up a lot to get Bibby's contract. I don't really see it happening for that reason.

And great thinking from Gary!

While Horford is untouchable, Williams (Shlden) isn't. I saw a lot of him at Duke, and some of him late last year. The kid can rebound, and block shots. He doesn't have much in the way of offense, but does play hard when given the chance.