Nene

[D-Mass]

Hoopshype.com has multiple stories about the possibility of a sign and trade involving Mobley for Nene.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The Kings are said to want Nene, who is making $3.04 million next season and would need to be packaged with another player. Before Orlando shipped Mobley last January to Sacramento, the Magic was turned down by Denver after asking for Nene. The Nuggets, looking hard for a shooting guard, can't acquire any new players until July 22. But they wouldn't mind having something lined up by July 14, the last day they can buy out the contract of shooting guard Voshon Lenard."[/font]

 

[Bricklayer]

Full story:

Mobley gets closer look from Nuggets


Sacramento guard would fill void with sign-and-trade deal

By Chris Tomasson, Rocky Mountain News
July 6, 2005

LAS VEGAS - With the top-tier shooting guards apparently out of reach, the Denver Nuggets are looking closely at Cuttino Mobley.

Andy Miller, Mobley's agent, said Tuesday he has had talks with the Sacramento Kings about a possible sign-and-trade deal in which the shooting guard would go to Denver. However, he said it remains early in the process.

"We've had conversations," Miller said. "It's a possible scenario. . . . I'm not going to get into players (Denver might send to Sacramento)."

Mobley last week opted out of a contract that would pay him $6.4 million next season, and is looking for a deal starting at a higher amount. A sign-and-trade would be necessary since the Nuggets aren't expected to have more than the midlevel exception of about $5 million.

The top free-agent shooting guards are Milwaukee's Michael Redd, Seattle's Ray Allen, Phoenix's Joe Johnson and Washington's Larry Hughes. All are in line for contracts in excess of $10 million a year.

Nuggets coach George Karl said Tuesday night he has "heard Michael Redd is going back to Milwaukee," where he will sign a six-year deal worth more than $90 million. Allen committed Tuesday to a five-year, $85 million contract with Seattle.

After those four, many consider Mobley, 29, the best remaining free-agent shooting guard. Miller said Mobley has "an interest" in Denver.

"I think he's one of the better options," Karl said. "How we get to the number he likes and we like, that's what's going on right now."

The Kings are said to want Nene, who is making $3.04 million next season and would need to be packaged with another player. Before Orlando shipped Mobley last January to Sacramento, the Magic was turned down by Denver after asking for Nene.

The Nuggets, looking hard for a shooting guard, can't acquire any new players until July 22. But they wouldn't mind having something lined up by July 14, the last day they can buy out the contract of shooting guard Voshon Lenard. Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandweghe, who declined to comment on Mobley, said it likely will go down to the final day on Lenard, who missed 79 games last season with a torn Achilles' tendon. He is expected, likely next week, to work out in Las Vegas, where the Nuggets had their first practice Tuesday night in preparation for the Vegas Summer League.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/dr...3906499,00.html

 

[Diabeticwonder]

From the Denver Post

Veteran Mobley has interest in Nuggets
By Marc J. Spears and Adam Thompson
Denver Post Staff Writers

Las Vegas - The agent for Sacramento Kings free-agent guard Cuttino Mobley said his client is getting a lot of interest, but the Nuggets are high on his list.

Agent Andy Miller said he spoke to Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe about his client several times Tuesday. Mobley averaged 17.2 points last season and is one of the NBA's top 3-point shooters - an asset the Nuggets need.

Since the Nuggets may have only the midlevel exception to offer, a sign-and-trade may be needed to consummate a deal for him.

Miller would not discuss other teams that are interested, but the Los Angeles Clippers reportedly are one of them. Sacramento may want to include Mobley in a sign-and-trade after selecting shooting guards Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia in the past two drafts.

Mobley declined to exercise his option on a contract that would have paid him $6.4 million this coming season. One sign-and-trade scenario could logically include Nene and Voshon Lenard, who are due to make a combined $6.5 million in 2005-06.

Miller said Mobley has a strong relationship with Vandeweghe and coach George Karl, and has said that a visit to Denver isn't necessary for his client.

"We have interest," Miller said. "There are certain teams that have interest who are on the cusp, being one piece away. ... (Mobley) thinks (Karl) can fine-tune his game and make him better while also helping take the team to the playoffs."

Said Karl of Mobley: "I've always felt that he's kind of an all-star, on-the-brink type of guy. ... He's one of the top free-agent shooting guards. We just have to let Kiki work his magic, and hopefully in one week or two weeks or three weeks we have a 30-minute guard. I don't think it's imperative either way.

"One thing I've expressed to Kiki is don't be afraid to be patient."

Meanwhile, one of Denver's internal free-agent candidates at shooting guard remains interested in returning. However, the agent for Greg Buckner guessed that nothing will happen for his client before the Nuggets return from summer league here next week.

"They'd like him back and he'd like to be back, but market forces can send things in different directions," Steve Kauffman said.

Buckner wants a deal that at least

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_2841906

 

[D-Mass]

Thanks, y'all...I got lazy.

 

[4cwebb]

Wouldn't be able to really ask for more from Petrie at this point --- Magic can't get Nene with Mobley, then Petrie gets him. Sure, the circumstances have changed to some degree, and Nene had an underwhelming year all told, but to get a guy with his ability in a Kings' uniform would be very exciting as a Kings' fan, imho. Then Petrie just needs to find someone to take Kenny Thomas' contract off the books, and he'll easily return to his (rightful) post as resident genius.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

I think that of all the PF that are actually available either through FA or trades, Nene would be the best fit for the Kings. As far as Kenny Thomas goes it would be nice for someone to take his contract off their hands, but last season GP and/or RA said that they thought that KT would be a good fit with the Kings and it sounded as though he might be in the team's long term plans.

 

[mr. moustache]

Please make this happen. Nene would be happy to start and we're back to being a 54win team. Still not a WCF team, but a piece or two and we're there.

The team would also be reasonably young and if we need to rebuild, we've got 3 borderline all stars in their prime.

I think that of all the PF that are actually available either through FA or trades, Nene would be the best fit for the Kings. As far as Kenny Thomas goes it would be nice for someone to take his contract off their hands, but last season GP and/or RA said that they thought that KT would be a good fit with the Kings and it sounded as though he might be in the team's long term plans.

 

[Bricklayer]

Please make this happen. Nene would be happy to start and we're back to being a 54win team. Still not a WCF team, but a piece or two and we're there.

The team would also be reasonably young and if we need to rebuild, we've got 3 borderline all stars in their prime.

Even though I obviosuly agree and am obviously a supporter of bringing Nene in, I think that's only one piece to the puzzle, and he alone would not be able to guarantee us back into the 50+ territory. Has potential and skills, but he's not individually the sort of impact rebounder and shotblocker to singlehandedly turn things around for us unless we made another move or two to shore up those areas off the bench.

To change the culture and tone around here we either need 1 major impact guy for everybody to follow, or we need several new players to provide an infusion in the areas we are lacking and start counteractingour soft majority. Nene would be a start, but I could still see us going all Charmin again next season if that was all we ended up doing.

 

[4cwebb]

The other thing about Nene is the Kings would again have a guy on the team with some "upside", as the analysts like to say. With Bibby, Peja and Miller you pretty much know what you are getting, and that each of those guys has pretty much tapped into his potential (although Peja has some facets he could add to his offensive game). With Nene, he's got a fair bit of talent, as far as I can tell, that is as of yet untapped.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Obviously for this to work Denver has to throw in another player besides Nene, which would most likely be Voshon Lenard now that they drafted Julius Hodge and would be getting Cat in return. Although Lenard's deal is up after next season assuming that his knee is fine he would provide the Kings with another phenominal perimeter threat, which is something that GP said they need more of. The downside of brining in Lenard and assuming that he is healthy is that it will most likely mean that either Francisco or Kevin won't get as many minutes as they would have liked because I foresee Adelman giving the backup minutes to Lenard or at least finding a way to get him on the court since he is such a great shooter. Guys who shoot it like that have to find their ways into games.

 

[Jose]

Obviously for this to work Denver has to throw in another player besides Nene, which would most likely be Voshon Lenard now that they drafted Julius Hodge and would be getting Cat in return. Although Lenard's deal is up after next season assuming that his knee is fine he would provide the Kings with another phenominal perimeter threat, which is something that GP said they need more of. The downside of brining in Lenard and assuming that he is healthy is that it will most likely mean that either Francisco or Kevin won't get as many minutes as they would have liked because I foresee Adelman giving the backup minutes to Lenard or at least finding a way to get him on the court since he is such a great shooter. Guys who shoot it like that have to find their ways into games.

A trade of Mobley for Nene + Lenard would work under CBA trade guidelines if Mobley doesn't get greedy. Nene + Lenard = about $7M in salary so if Mobley is willing to take between 6 and 8 million, it would be doable.

 

[mr. moustache]

I don't disagree that we'd still be soft. But I do think swapping Nene for Mobley would put us 50+ wins. Feared? No. Able to compete in the regular season? Yes.

By all means, if this is all we do, we've got a deep weird bench. KT might not be OK as a backup and that could present problems. We also wouldn't have a SG. I'd like to try the trial by fire with either Garcia or Martin, but if both of them are as inconsistant as Martin was last year, we're in for it.

Still. I guess I think the team unchanged, save the Nene/Mobley swap, would be a good team.

Even though I obviosuly agree and am obviously a supporter of bringing Nene in, I think that's only one piece to the puzzle, and he alone would not be able to guarantee us back into the 50+ territory. Has potential and skills, but he's not individually the sort of impact rebounder and shotblocker to singlehandedly turn things around for us unless we made another move or two to shore up those areas off the bench.

To change the culture and tone around here we either need 1 major impact guy for everybody to follow, or we need several new players to provide an infusion in the areas we are lacking and start counteractingour soft majority. Nene would be a start, but I could still see us going all Charmin again next season if that was all we ended up doing.

 

[NewMonkey]

Nene's rebounding and shotblocking numbers bother me, especially for his size. Kenny Thomas averages 7.4 rebounds in 30 minutes over his career and Nene averages 6.2 over 28.7 minutes. Thomas is four inches shorter and probably 25 pounds lighter. I can see the guy has potential, but Nene's been in the league three years, has played a fair number of minutes and his numbers haven't been very good.

The good part is that Nene's only got two years left on his deal, so if he comes out and averages 6 rebounds a game as a starting power forward, we're rid of him at the end of next year.

 

[Bricklayer]

Nene's rebounding and shotblocking numbers bother me, especially for his size. Kenny Thomas averages 7.4 rebounds in 30 minutes over his career and Nene averages 6.2 over 28.7 minutes. Thomas is four inches shorter and probably 25 pounds lighter. I can see the guy has potential, but Nene's been in the league three years, has played a fair number of minutes and his numbers haven't been very good.

The good part is that Nene's only got two years left on his deal, so if he comes out and averages 6 rebounds a game as a starting power forward, we're rid of him at the end of next year.

That was my old critique of him in his first two years, but he was much better on the boards and shotblocking this past season. And he's a big post player, always useful. Also only 22, so there is the obvious hope that the numbers improved because he was coming into his own as a man rather than the 20yr old kid he entered the league as. I don't ever anticipate him being Ben Wallace, but give him 36 min as a fulltime starter at his pace from last season and he's 15pts 9rebs 1.4stl 1.3blk, with the potential to keep on getting better at his age.

 

[KingKong]

PG Bibby/ Bobby/ House (what's happening with House BTW?)
SG Lenard/ Evans/ Martin/ Frisco
SF Peja/ Corliss/ Barnes?
PF Nene/ KT/ Songaila
C Brad/ OTag/ Skinner

Not a bad lineup. Seems like we have glut of players at OG postion, but no real starter. We are still a bit soft in the middle too. I would love to see us get a guy like Posey at OG. Oh yeah and we would be by far the best shooting team in the league, but what else is new.

 

[grun]

nene is an insanely better option than shareef. a bit of toughness, a bit of grunt and a bit of size inside. and he has time on his side at 22 too.

 

[Ryle]

That was my old critique of him in his first two years, but he was much better on the boards and shotblocking this past season. And he's a big post player, always useful. Also only 22, so there is the obvious hope that the numbers improved because he was coming into his own as a man rather than the 20yr old kid he entered the league as. I don't ever anticipate him being Ben Wallace, but give him 36 min as a fulltime starter at his pace from last season and he's 15pts 9rebs 1.4stl 1.3blk, with the potential to keep on getting better at his age.

Nene also has a 7'4" inch "wingspan" and he has the potential to be really good defensively.

 

[grun]

Nene also has a 7'4" inch "wingspan" and he has the potential to be really good defensively.

yeh...he's one of the better forwards at stealing the ball. he was up there with the top forwards in that category when he started.

my only worry is that petrie's deals never get reported before they happen

 

[KingKong]

my only worry is that petrie's deals never get reported before they happen

I was thinking the same, it'll probably never happen now.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Notice how nobody from the Kings has said a thing about this...only Cat's agent and Nuggets' people. This deal makes so much sense for all teams involved that it probably won't get done.

 

[G_M]

my only worry is that petrie's deals never get reported before they happen

Well, the Nene rumors are far more tenuos than the SAR rumors. Nene is more tied to the fact that Mobley now is expressing an interest in the Nuggets. I would think Nene would be easier to obtain although SAR is a different type of player.

 

[Jkbiker]

PG Bibby/ Bobby/ House (what's happening with House BTW?)
SG Lenard/ Evans/ Martin/ Frisco
SF Peja/ Corliss/ Barnes?
PF Nene/ KT/ Songaila
C Brad/ OTag/ Skinner

Not a bad lineup. Seems like we have glut of players at OG postion, but no real starter. We are still a bit soft in the middle too. I would love to see us get a guy like Posey at OG. Oh yeah and we would be by far the best shooting team in the league, but what else is new.

Yes not a bad lineup, except it is 16 players, dont we have to get to 12?
I would think that this deal would mean House,Evans,Barnes,and Darius
would not get a contract, unless we could package 2 players for 1 player in a separate trade. Hopefully GP has something else up his sleeve to upgrade again.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Yes not a bad lineup, except it is 16 players, dont we have to get to 12?

Under the new CBA teams can have 14 active players.

 

[hrdboild]

Nene isn't the one piece the Kings need to put it all together of course, but he's a good start and a damn good bargain given the circumstances. I really hope this happens.

 

[Yoda]

Nene isn't the one piece the Kings need to put it all together of course, but he's a good start and a damn good bargain given the circumstances. I really hope this happens.

100% agree, love the pickup under these circumstances.

 

[PFFFT!!]

All of a sudden we get the entire Serbian, Dominican, AND Brasilian fan base, and you got more Kings jerseys in those countries which means more dough for the Maloof coffers. Brasil has the strongest economy in South America, stronger than Chile. Im all for it. Can't just lose the value Mobley has. That would be un-Petrie like.

 

[Bricklayer]

Of course the real question is will/would Denver? Because I'll tell you what, if I'M the Nuggets, I don't do this deal.


Kind of ironic sometimes how franchises seem to repeat themselves over the years -- the Suns come up with run 'n gun after run 'n gun iteration. The Pistons with thug defensive teams. And here is Denver in a similar frontcourt situation to what it had back in the mid-90's when Deke (shotblocking stud ala Camby) and Laphonso Ellis (undersized tweener athlete ala Martin) were their starters at C/PF and they had a great 6'10" third big man named Brian Williams (later Bison Dele). But of course he wanted to start, and was good enough to, and so they weren't able to hold together one of the deepest frontcourts in the league (and of course Ellis ruined his knees).

 

[PFFFT!!]

Would we want to forgo Songalia and Evans, and just pick up Rashid along with Nene? That would be a pretty good PF combo? Also wasn't Voshon Lenard a promise coming out of Seattle?

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Would we want to forgo Songalia and Evans, and just pick up Rashid along with Nene? That would be a pretty good PF combo? Also wasn't Voshon Lenard a promise coming out of Seattle?

Huh???

 

[Bricklayer]

Would we want to forgo Songalia and Evans, and just pick up Rashid along with Nene? That would be a pretty good PF combo? Also wasn't Voshon Lenard a promise coming out of Seattle?

Rashid? As in Rasheed Wallace? Or did you mean Rahim?

Not sure what you mean about Lenard having a promise from Seattle?