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I finally realized which player from the Kings past Monta Ellis reminds me.
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Per 36 Minutes (Stats of the year before they joined the kings, if Monta does.)
Season Age Tm Lg FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
1995-96 26 DEN NBA 7.3 16.9 .434 2.1 5.5 .392 2.6 2.8 .930 0.5 2.0 2.4 6.9 1.1 0.1 2.0 2.1 19.4
Monta Ellis
2012-13 27 MIL NBA 7.0 16.8 .416 1.1 3.8 .287 3.4 4.4 .773 0.5 3.2 3.7 5.8 2.0 0.4 3.0 1.9 18.5
So you just ignore all his Golden State years and only take into account his one year playing next to the biggest gunner pg in the league? He has had seasons of 25 and 24 ppg on efficient numbers, and was highly efficient in his first few years(including one season over .50 fg%). Monta isn't a great player, but there aren't many better pure scorers in the league than him at the SG position. Certainly not the scrub that should get paid $5 million like ive read on this thread. At $8-$9 million he is a pretty good bargain. $10-$12 is realistic, especially for a rebuilding small market team.
While you are right the EZ path is to make the comparison to Tyreke, in reality Monta would be replacing Thorton in the line up (more or less) and most likely it will be Thorton that we have to move to make Roster space for Ellis. So the FAIR comparison will be to Thorton. Tyreek should rightly be compared to Vasquez that was the move we made and Vasquez will be taking the slot that Tyreke should have filled.
We'll find out if he's still that player from Golden State or that player from last year then. There's a reason the interest in him is lukewarm around the league right now. He's probably closer to being the Milwaukee version than the Golden State version. I'd take Reke over him 10 times out of 10. I like how we can make excuses for other players but Tyreke isn't allowed to have excuses.
No because mt makes 8m and plays around 25 minutes. If Ellis is coming in at that role and salary, I would still hate it but you could maybe argue its an upgrade. The problem is they are talking about a much bigger deal and Monty's personality currently is less apt to accept a 3rd guard role than Thornton.
I'll try to put some thoughts into why we're interested with Monta. Not that I like this move, but I'll be the devil's advocate.
1. This could only work if Monta plays the starting PG, and Vasquez goes to the bench. There isn't much ego that will he hit there coz surely Monta earns higher than Vazquez and Vazquez is also an ender next season.
2. We will ship Jimmer, which leaves IT as the change of pace guy after Vasquez.
3. Thorton may not be shipped.
4. And we'll the lineup of:
PG - Monta/Vasquez/IT
SG - MCL/Thornton
SF - Salmons/Outlaw/ TBD (FA)
PF - PPat/Landry/Hayes
C - DMC/JT
Probably an approach of 4 players outside and leaving DMC in the mid on offense.
Looks like a D12 approach in Orlando, except that DMC has better post moves than D12 and the outside shooters are much better ballhandlers and mid range shooters.
Once DMC sits, Landry comes of the bench and more likely gonna same as DMC plays using more of his quickness.
1. This could only work if Monta plays the starting PG, and Vasquez goes to the bench. There isn't much ego that will he hit there coz surely Monta earns higher than Vazquez and Vazquez is also an ender next season.
2. We will ship Jimmer, which leaves IT as the change of pace guy after Vasquez.
3. Thorton may not be shipped.
4. And we'll the lineup of:
PG - Monta/Vasquez/IT
SG - MCL/Thornton
SF - Salmons/Outlaw/ TBD (FA)
PF - PPat/Landry/Hayes
C - DMC/JT
Probably an approach of 4 players outside and leaving DMC in the mid on offense.
Looks like a D12 approach in Orlando, except that DMC has better post moves than D12 and the outside shooters are much better ballhandlers and mid range shooters.
Once DMC sits, Landry comes of the bench and more likely gonna same as DMC plays using more of his quickness.
Watch Monta Ellis against the Kings this past season. He made our defense look soft!
http://youtu.be/ppf49qAV2Bc
http://youtu.be/ppf49qAV2Bc
@ESPNSteinLine: Sacramento, of course, still trying to convince Monta to commit to Kings. @Vivek can amnesty Salmons to help with creating more cap space
https://twitter.com/espnsteinline/status/354475287624421376
https://twitter.com/espnsteinline/status/354475287624421376
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Season Age Tm FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2009-10 24 GSW 8.6 19.1 .449 1.0 3.1 .338 4.0 5.3 .753 0.6 2.9 3.5 4.6 1.9 0.3 3.3 2.6 22.2
2010-11 25 GSW 8.1 18.0 .451 1.5 4.2 .361 3.8 4.8 .789 0.5 2.6 3.1 5.0 1.9 0.3 2.8 2.3 21.5
2011-12 26 TOT 7.6 17.7 .433 1.1 3.4 .308 3.7 4.7 .796 0.3 3.1 3.4 5.9 1.4 0.3 3.0 2.3 20.1
2012-13 27 MIL 7.0 16.8 .416 1.1 3.8 .287 3.4 4.4 .773 0.5 3.2 3.7 5.8 2.0 0.4 3.0 1.9 18.5Bucks still beat us, and 29 and 9 is nothing to scoff at. Also we are not signing Ellis for his defense, he is a pure scorer(with decent enough court vision) that will hopefully play solid team defense under Malone, we are not signing Ellis to be a defensive stopper(if he signs). Also i don't think he would be the primary ball handler, we would use Vasquez and Cousins to set up his looks(at least in the half court).
Not a lot of playoff minutes though, guys like Kobe end up playing adding multiple seasons to their legs because of playoffs. Plus i never said i want Ellis, in fact im mostly against it, but since it is a possibility i'm just trying to give the board an alternate viewpoint as to why it would be an acceptable move. Anyways at 27, if he were to sign a four year deal, we get him in his prime for 3 years, after which he is just an expiring. Do I 100% support the move?, no, will I hang myself like it seems most people on here will? no.
I just find it odd that you've completely flipped on the same issues regarding Reke.
According to you, Reke was a black hole, who couldn't shoot, didn't have the right personality, wasn't worth $11m, wasn't wanted by anyone else, shouldn't replace Mac.
Now Ellis is mentioned as a signing and everything you claimed about Reke (without even getting to Reke's advantages over monta) and it doesn't apply.
Just odd.
According to you, Reke was a black hole, who couldn't shoot, didn't have the right personality, wasn't worth $11m, wasn't wanted by anyone else, shouldn't replace Mac.
Now Ellis is mentioned as a signing and everything you claimed about Reke (without even getting to Reke's advantages over monta) and it doesn't apply.
Just odd.
This according to Chris Sheridan of SheridanHoops on Twitter:
"Monta Ellis is talking with the Sacramento Kings, according to Ken Berger of CBSSports: “After opting out of an $11 million contract for next season with the Milwaukee Bucks, Monta Ellis is discussing a free-agent deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources told CBSSports.com. With several avenues closed off as teams fill their needs for guards in free agency, Ellis could wind up with the Kings, who began doing their homework on him weeks ago. According to a person familiar with the situation, Kings owner Vivek Ranadive began inquiring about Ellis around the time his purchase of the Sacramento franchise was completed in late May. Ranadive, a former minority partner in the Golden State Warriors, identified Ellis as a possible free-agent target as he was finalizing his group’s purchase of the Kings.”
That last sentence is a bit concerning, to say the least.
"Monta Ellis is talking with the Sacramento Kings, according to Ken Berger of CBSSports: “After opting out of an $11 million contract for next season with the Milwaukee Bucks, Monta Ellis is discussing a free-agent deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources told CBSSports.com. With several avenues closed off as teams fill their needs for guards in free agency, Ellis could wind up with the Kings, who began doing their homework on him weeks ago. According to a person familiar with the situation, Kings owner Vivek Ranadive began inquiring about Ellis around the time his purchase of the Sacramento franchise was completed in late May. Ranadive, a former minority partner in the Golden State Warriors, identified Ellis as a possible free-agent target as he was finalizing his group’s purchase of the Kings.”
That last sentence is a bit concerning, to say the least.
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