Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The Blazers already have Pryz as a backup C. Not to mention Frye. Its not a postion of real need for them, not that they actually have nay of those other than PG.
MOCK DRAFTS: consensus from the experts?
- Thread starter CruzDude
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Jerichoholic
Bench
I think it's time to revise my mock draft as well, a lot has come out the last few days. I'm sure we'll be changing our mocks every day next week.
1 Bulls: Derrick Rose - Same as before
2 Heat: Michael Beasley - Same as before
3 Wolves: OJ Mayo - Same as before
4 Sonics: Jerryd Bayless - Same as before
5 Grizzlies: Kevin Love - The Grizz seem to be enamored with Love and the workout with Lopez apparantely didn't go well. IMO this is a reach but they don't have a great record with drafts anyway
6 Knicks: Russell Westbrook - Same as before
7 Clippers: Eric Gordon - Same as before
8 Bucks: Anthony Randolph - Same as before
9 Bobcats: Brook Lopez - I switched up Lopez and Love, no way Lopez falls from the top 10 and he would fit in well with Okafer
10 Nets: Danilo Gallinari - I originally had Gallinari withdrawing but he is still in and I'm guessing he has a promise at this spot
11 Pacers: D.J. Augustin - Same as before
12 Kings: Joe Alexander - Petrie picks always seem to anger me even if they work out sometimes
...I don't want Alexander, hopefully I'm wrong. Following the same idea I wouldn't be surprised to see Arthur here either although his stock is falling
13 Blazers: DeAndre Jordan - I'm guessing the Blazers trade this pick, unless Alexander falls here then they nab him. Many teams see this guy as a potential top pick next year and will take a chance, he won't fall from the lottery
14 Warriors: Donte Green - Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington have been inconsistent and Green fits this offense perfectly
1 Bulls: Derrick Rose - Same as before
2 Heat: Michael Beasley - Same as before
3 Wolves: OJ Mayo - Same as before
4 Sonics: Jerryd Bayless - Same as before
5 Grizzlies: Kevin Love - The Grizz seem to be enamored with Love and the workout with Lopez apparantely didn't go well. IMO this is a reach but they don't have a great record with drafts anyway
6 Knicks: Russell Westbrook - Same as before
7 Clippers: Eric Gordon - Same as before
8 Bucks: Anthony Randolph - Same as before
9 Bobcats: Brook Lopez - I switched up Lopez and Love, no way Lopez falls from the top 10 and he would fit in well with Okafer
10 Nets: Danilo Gallinari - I originally had Gallinari withdrawing but he is still in and I'm guessing he has a promise at this spot
11 Pacers: D.J. Augustin - Same as before
12 Kings: Joe Alexander - Petrie picks always seem to anger me even if they work out sometimes
...I don't want Alexander, hopefully I'm wrong. Following the same idea I wouldn't be surprised to see Arthur here either although his stock is falling13 Blazers: DeAndre Jordan - I'm guessing the Blazers trade this pick, unless Alexander falls here then they nab him. Many teams see this guy as a potential top pick next year and will take a chance, he won't fall from the lottery
14 Warriors: Donte Green - Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington have been inconsistent and Green fits this offense perfectly
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BritishColumbia
Bench
beb0p
Starter
I think it's time to revise my mock draft as well, a lot has come out the last few days. I'm sure we'll be changing our mocks every day next week.
1 Bulls: Derrick Rose Same
2 Heat: Beasley Same
3 Wolves: OJ Mayo Same
4 Sonics: Jerryd Bayless Same
5 Grizzlies: Kevin Love The Grizz seem to be enamored with Love and the workout with Lopez apparantely didn't go well. IMO this is a reach but they don't have a great record with drafts anyway
6 Knicks: Russell Westbrook Same
7 Clippers: Eric Gordon Same
8 Bucks: Anthony Randolph Same
9 Bobcats: Brook Lopez I switched up Lopez and Love, no way Lopez falls from the top 10 and he would fit in well with Okafer
10 Nets: Danilo Gallinari I originally had Gallinari withdrawing but he is still in and I'm guessing he has a promise at this spot
11 Pacers: D.J. Augustin Same
12 Kings: Joe Alexander Petrie picks always seem to anger me even if they work out sometimes
13 Blazers: DeAndre Jordan I'm guessing the Blazers trade this pick, unless Alexander falls here then they nab him. Many teams see this guy as a potential top pick next year and will take a chance, he won't fall from the lottery
14 Warriors: Donte Green Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington have been inconsistent and Green fits this offense perfectly
Ha, you and KingsDraft.com apparently.
SacKings7
Starter
Umm, why not? As far as I can see we are nowhere NEAR contending for the next few years, so why not take a chance?? Unless we get a top 5 pick in the near future, we aren't getting a star unless we get lucky, and at this deep in the draft, sometimes thats all you can hope for.
For the record, I don't necessarily WANT to draft a project (I want Westbrook) but I'm definitely not against it knowing that we won't be contending for a few years anyway unless something drastic happens
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Composite Mock Draft Update, 20-june
Friday night, 20-June 9pm. Went through 9 of my 11 mocks that have been updated since Monday, 16-June or later. The surprises are that Joe Alexander is up in draft positions 8-12 now and Westbrook is in slots 6-11 across all mocks.
Other surprise is that Darrell Arthur has fallen across the board to slots 14-18 while Anthony Randolph is rising up to slots 6-12 now and appears at #12 Kings slot 44% of the time in all updated mocks.
What I see is a lot of pundits, good and bad seeing either Alexander or Randolph at the Kings slot and not much chance for any of the top 5 PGs to slide down to #12.
Among the BIGS Hibbert, McGee, Koufos and DeAndre Jordan have all slipped a bit with that group in the 11-23 range, mostly below 14. Ajinca shows up now in the 15-25 range. And Jason Thompson, the 6-11 senior who was 20/12 his last year, is still below the radar.
So nothing significant yet. For the Kings two 2nd round slots at 42 & 43, the name Goran Dragic, a 6-4 PG from Slovenia is showing up but no real consistency in the 2nd round yet.
Friday night, 20-June 9pm. Went through 9 of my 11 mocks that have been updated since Monday, 16-June or later. The surprises are that Joe Alexander is up in draft positions 8-12 now and Westbrook is in slots 6-11 across all mocks.
Other surprise is that Darrell Arthur has fallen across the board to slots 14-18 while Anthony Randolph is rising up to slots 6-12 now and appears at #12 Kings slot 44% of the time in all updated mocks.
What I see is a lot of pundits, good and bad seeing either Alexander or Randolph at the Kings slot and not much chance for any of the top 5 PGs to slide down to #12.
Among the BIGS Hibbert, McGee, Koufos and DeAndre Jordan have all slipped a bit with that group in the 11-23 range, mostly below 14. Ajinca shows up now in the 15-25 range. And Jason Thompson, the 6-11 senior who was 20/12 his last year, is still below the radar.
So nothing significant yet. For the Kings two 2nd round slots at 42 & 43, the name Goran Dragic, a 6-4 PG from Slovenia is showing up but no real consistency in the 2nd round yet.
Jerichoholic
Bench
Even though many mocks have Randolph being picked by the Kings it just doesn't seem logical considering they haven't worked him out. A guy who is almost totally going on potential right now would at least have to be looked at beforehand.
Arthur falling makes sense, I just don't see this guy being successful. He is just missing too many things, hopefully the Kings won't reach. I don't think there is that much more talent at #12 than there is at #20 or so, it would be nice to see a trade down, I just don't see how they can do it.
As far as 2nd round mocks go they are really a crapshoot, most of them just take their draft board and make the picks in descending order. With the Kings there is probably still the idea that they like foreign players, they have had that reputation for awhile.
est.1999
Starter
what I love about hawes is his confident demeanor. Like you know when he's out there on the court he just plays and does what he wants. I don't really know how to put it in words lol but what I'm mainly trying to say is that I love his confidence. If there's a big available that has those same qualities as hawes I say draft him
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
I think Jason Thompson has that "hawes" like confidence but hard to say how that equates from a 4-yr player from a Mid-Major college to the NBA level. Randolph has shown high confidence from what I read whereas Arthur, McGee, Koufos have not.
Jerichoholic
Bench
I must say that with all the research I've done, Jason Thompson was a guy who slipped below my radar. I saw a little of him but not enough to make a fair assessment. He really seems to be moving up draft boards so I decided to take a much longer look and I agree that there is a lot to like.
There is no doubt that he had an ultra soft schedule but he dominated. A 4-year player with consistent improvement in almost all areas is a great sign. I was surprised to see that he averaged almost 3 assists per game last year which shows good versatility and smart play for a big man. He also shot a nice percentage for the amount of shots he took.
The rebounding is incredible, averaging over 12 per game with 7 games of 17 or more including a couple of 21s and a 24. His blocked shots have improved every year as well and averaged 2.7 last year. Who knows how that will translate to the NBA level but it is impressive.
Soft conference or not this guy produces and I've always been a bigger fan of production than potential unless the draft pick was late. I always hate hearing in any draft that unproven talent has tons of potential while proven guys have hit their ceiling. I can't remember how many times that "analysts" said that Chris Paul was good but had limited upside...we all see how that went.
GeraldWallace#3
Bench
Speaking of Chris Paul is it just me or does Jason Thompson look like him...
Anyway back on topic, the only thing that scares me about Thompson is the guys he plays against. The conference he was playing in wasnt the most competitive, and he probly wasnt challenged alot. So Im wondering that if he comes into the nba the competition will be to much for him. But all in all I really like what im seeing.
Anyway back on topic, the only thing that scares me about Thompson is the guys he plays against. The conference he was playing in wasnt the most competitive, and he probly wasnt challenged alot. So Im wondering that if he comes into the nba the competition will be to much for him. But all in all I really like what im seeing.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Rider went up against N.C. St, Penn St., Kansas St. and Rutgers last season going 2-2 against those much bigger schools. They lost to Beasley's K-State 82-69 in which most observers thought match-up between the two big stars concluded fairly even. Beasley 34/10/0 vs. Thompson 24/7/4 (later category blocks).
TTown Kings
Bench
ESPN is reporting a possible trade that would send Jermaine O'Neal to Toronto for TJ Ford meaning Augistin may be available
nbrans
All-Star
Really doubt Indiana would be trading their pick in that scenario, if anyone Toronto would send their pick. But it's also a deal that couldn't be completed until July 1st because TJ Ford is BYC.
EDIT: nevermind, I see what you mean -- Indiana wouldn't be looking at a PG at #11 anymore, so Augustin (or Westbrook for that matter) could fall to us if the deal goes through.
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Jerichoholic
Bench
Does Chad Ford even try anymore?
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
I last updated my Mock in thread #87 on the 20th.
Two days before the draft I only see one change: Joe Alexander going to the Bucks for need and the fact he speaks fluent Mandarin so he can talk with Yi their 7 ft Chinese SF. That then drops Anthony Randolph to #12...........unless GP gets Jason Thompson, much more a GP type but also with long reach and good off/def skills.
I see Augustin or Westbrook at the Knicks for major need and the other at the Clips for same PG need. Hibbert and Arthur and McGee fall below 15 IMHO.
Two days before the draft I only see one change: Joe Alexander going to the Bucks for need and the fact he speaks fluent Mandarin so he can talk with Yi their 7 ft Chinese SF. That then drops Anthony Randolph to #12...........unless GP gets Jason Thompson, much more a GP type but also with long reach and good off/def skills.
I see Augustin or Westbrook at the Knicks for major need and the other at the Clips for same PG need. Hibbert and Arthur and McGee fall below 15 IMHO.
Jerichoholic
Bench
Cruz, I wish I could disagree but IMO you're exactly right. Let's hope for Jason Thompson because Randolph has bust written all over him.
JerN820
Bench
More and more people have Chalmers that high. Evidently his work outs have been impressive. Why not draft him? We wont have to wait two or three years for the guy to develop as he is 22 and played 4 years of college ball. He's clutch, has a nice ppg average, and plays better defense than D.J. Augustin. Sounds like a winner to me.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
Lacks PG skills.
nbrans
All-Star
Also not sure he's quick enough to be a starting PG.
JerN820
Bench
Well I would have thought that too but he still dropped 18 pts on Rose and his team scored 75 total. And he dropped 30 on DJ Augustin in one of their meetings.
nbrans
All-Star
But most of his shots came from outside. I think he can be a role playing point guard, but I don't know if he can handle the quickness of guards in the NBA, and I don't think shooting is enough for a starting PG. He just looks like a career backup, which is fine, but it's a reach for #12.
JerN820
Bench
Yeah, he does rely a little too much on outside shooting. Tough to tell. But it is hard to believe that there are 3 first round worthy players from one college team. Rush was probably the best player on that team IMO. He was the most versatile player as well.
We are kind of in a tough spot with the 12th pick. Good chance we will end up with a project player like Randolph that will take a few years to develop.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3459658
portland bought the hornets pick #27 of the first round.. rediculous, portland has a ton of players under contract..maybe there going to turn around and trade this pick too.. who knows but there gm gets it done, now i ask the question, why dont/didnt/cant/wont we do this ..
portland bought the hornets pick #27 of the first round.. rediculous, portland has a ton of players under contract..maybe there going to turn around and trade this pick too.. who knows but there gm gets it done, now i ask the question, why dont/didnt/cant/wont we do this ..
jimbodan
Bench
Their owner gets it done.
While our owners penny pinch and refuse to use the "R" word. Their owner has not been afraid to spend and let their GM rebuild the right way.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Final Thoughts For Draft Day
As luck would have it I fly down to San Diego this afternoon just in time to get to a TV at 4pm. Looking back at my draft day notes of the past 4 years (since Kevin who I missed entirely), nothing comes remotely close to the mess of this year. From 6 on down every slot has 2-10 possibilities and in the 10-14 range even worse.
Do Kings draft PG assuming Beno is gone? but then would they try to get Beno at the MLE as it takes 2-3 years for PG to mature enough to step in, at least one taken at 12. If a PG who? seems Augustin and Westbrook are long gone and iffy that Bayless may fall to 12, he more a shooter/2guard. Then there is Mario Chalmers seen at a 20-25 or skinny Mike Taylor (166 lb in D-league last year) with his personal baggage.
OR do they go for a BIG and some rebounding and defense, a definite big time need. Randolph kept falling in at #12 until yesterday. Long, quick and in right direction but needs to get bigger and stronger. Speights has risen last week then fallen this week to 14-15 or lower due to inconsistency. McGee, Jordan and Arthur I see lower than 14.
I think GP needs to trade for a slot in the 18-22 range keeping #12. Garcia would be good bait as would Salmons, particularly for SEA or PORT who are loaded with kids and need some veteran help.
Basically, I give up!! Done! Throwing in the towel!! NO CLUE. So i'll pour a big spiced rum & diet coke (aka, D&D at San Diego Yacht Club, named after my nephew, (Dathe&Diet), a Captain Jerry's spiced rum and diet coke with piece of lime..... love it!!), put my feet up and watch the entertainment. It's been fun guys and gals. Surfs up, dudes.
As luck would have it I fly down to San Diego this afternoon just in time to get to a TV at 4pm. Looking back at my draft day notes of the past 4 years (since Kevin who I missed entirely), nothing comes remotely close to the mess of this year. From 6 on down every slot has 2-10 possibilities and in the 10-14 range even worse.
Do Kings draft PG assuming Beno is gone? but then would they try to get Beno at the MLE as it takes 2-3 years for PG to mature enough to step in, at least one taken at 12. If a PG who? seems Augustin and Westbrook are long gone and iffy that Bayless may fall to 12, he more a shooter/2guard. Then there is Mario Chalmers seen at a 20-25 or skinny Mike Taylor (166 lb in D-league last year) with his personal baggage.
OR do they go for a BIG and some rebounding and defense, a definite big time need. Randolph kept falling in at #12 until yesterday. Long, quick and in right direction but needs to get bigger and stronger. Speights has risen last week then fallen this week to 14-15 or lower due to inconsistency. McGee, Jordan and Arthur I see lower than 14.
I think GP needs to trade for a slot in the 18-22 range keeping #12. Garcia would be good bait as would Salmons, particularly for SEA or PORT who are loaded with kids and need some veteran help.
Basically, I give up!! Done! Throwing in the towel!! NO CLUE. So i'll pour a big spiced rum & diet coke (aka, D&D at San Diego Yacht Club, named after my nephew, (Dathe&Diet), a Captain Jerry's spiced rum and diet coke with piece of lime..... love it!!), put my feet up and watch the entertainment. It's been fun guys and gals. Surfs up, dudes.
Jerichoholic
Bench
Mock Draft 7.0 has us getting Jerryd Bayless now.
How many mocks are there anyway?
That would be a dream come true...but there is no way Bayless drops to #12. Everyone has him pegged as a player who is dropping but I think that is only because there isn't as much hype around him as everyone else.
He is the second best PG in this draft (yes, he will play PG) and I'm guessing he won't last past #6.
