Marbury and Francis Available?
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Steve will be making 13.8 to 17.2 from 2005-2009
Mike will making 11.5 to 14.5 from 2005-2009
Both of these players are overpaid. I don't know it would be a good trade or not.
Starbury will be making 16.5 to 21.9 from 2005-2009.
Acquiring Starbury will definitely be a cap killer. I wonder who offered this selfish combo guard this insane contract. While looking at the NY Knicks salaries chart, I see one thing in common for all the players on that roster--overpaid players.
I used to think NYC has many smart businessmen. Seeing the way the Yankees and the Knicks are being run has changed my preception about New Yorkers.
Mike will making 11.5 to 14.5 from 2005-2009
Both of these players are overpaid. I don't know it would be a good trade or not.
Starbury will be making 16.5 to 21.9 from 2005-2009.
Acquiring Starbury will definitely be a cap killer. I wonder who offered this selfish combo guard this insane contract. While looking at the NY Knicks salaries chart, I see one thing in common for all the players on that roster--overpaid players.
I used to think NYC has many smart businessmen. Seeing the way the Yankees and the Knicks are being run has changed my preception about New Yorkers.
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Ah. Well, then that's a debatable thing.
I thought you were saying you wouldn't trade Bibby for all three ... and I thought ... wow, homerism at it's worst.
That's a road best not explored.
Last I checked - saying you would make a terrible GM (based on the trade assumption I made) is hardly an "insult" worth fighting for.
I thought you were saying you wouldn't trade Bibby for all three ... and I thought ... wow, homerism at it's worst.
That's a road best not explored.
Last I checked - saying you would make a terrible GM (based on the trade assumption I made) is hardly an "insult" worth fighting for.
I have been watching Bibby's play since he was in Vancouver Grizzlies (yes I live in Vancouver), I can tell you guys that he can play like a traditional point guard, and he actually used to play his game that way before his supreme performance in the 2001/2002 playoff. I hope you guys remember how people describe him as "the Jason Kid who can shoot"....
When he was in the Vancouver Grizzlies, his assist per game was among the NBA top 5, and it wasn't easy because the Grizzlies couldn't make many field goals(despite they had a good starting line up of Bibby, Dickerson, SAR, Stromile Swift and Big Country). The fact that he becomes more like a shooting guard now and that his assist per game go down is because the King's offensive system is to run through plays by the big mens instead of point guard....I think Bibby is doing what the coach expects and wants him to do (get the ball to the hands of big men, set up or run screens with peja, get the ball and shoot it....) I don't see why people blame Bibby for that..
Defensivefly, I think he is doing his part as well. I mean, in NBA, it is hard to defend your opponents to drive in the lane unless you get help from your teammates, especially the bigmen in your team.....If your team have a big man who can block and challenge shots, the opponents would then make their drives less frequently, which therefore would release a lot of pressure off from the guards.
The difference between Bibby and Francis and Marbury is that, maybe Bibby hasn't been making his shots so far this season, but he hasn't been missing a lot at the same time. As a shooter, I think fg% look something like 4/11 or 6/15 aren't that unacceptable.......at least better than those 4/22 or 3/21 numbers of Marbury or Francis which happen so often...
When he was in the Vancouver Grizzlies, his assist per game was among the NBA top 5, and it wasn't easy because the Grizzlies couldn't make many field goals(despite they had a good starting line up of Bibby, Dickerson, SAR, Stromile Swift and Big Country). The fact that he becomes more like a shooting guard now and that his assist per game go down is because the King's offensive system is to run through plays by the big mens instead of point guard....I think Bibby is doing what the coach expects and wants him to do (get the ball to the hands of big men, set up or run screens with peja, get the ball and shoot it....) I don't see why people blame Bibby for that..
Defensivefly, I think he is doing his part as well. I mean, in NBA, it is hard to defend your opponents to drive in the lane unless you get help from your teammates, especially the bigmen in your team.....If your team have a big man who can block and challenge shots, the opponents would then make their drives less frequently, which therefore would release a lot of pressure off from the guards.
The difference between Bibby and Francis and Marbury is that, maybe Bibby hasn't been making his shots so far this season, but he hasn't been missing a lot at the same time. As a shooter, I think fg% look something like 4/11 or 6/15 aren't that unacceptable.......at least better than those 4/22 or 3/21 numbers of Marbury or Francis which happen so often...
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I think put in the right situation with good guys to surround him he could perform well. In regards to salary, sometimes making bold moves is required. How big is the difference in salaries? It may be worth it to.. um... start winning games! Mike is getting paid well and is under performing right now. He is not earning his paycheck so we might as well try something new.
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Even if they might be available, and they might, just don't see what WE would do with them. There are reasons neither of those guys has ever won, and reasons they might be available now. Both are better than Mike Bibby talentwise, but its never amounted to anything because of lack of intelligence/selfishness. Our offense is swinging away from the Princeton now, but not THAT far from the Princeton that dumb, selfish shot-chucking is all of a sudden going to fit in.
And of course here's the other thing that people continue to miss -- Geoff already ****ed up by getting too MANY guys on this team who need to shoot to be effective. We have too MANY scorers right now. Too MANY guys who already need shots and are used to getting them. Marbury and Francis are two guys who would just pour fuel on the fire.
Such talents that they will always be intriguing. If we made a deal and got one, you couldn't help but be interested in seeing what happened (unless it was Marbury and you are Slim). But my prediction would be "not much", and the little difference it would make would be bad.
Marbury also has a contract from hell BTW.
And of course here's the other thing that people continue to miss -- Geoff already ****ed up by getting too MANY guys on this team who need to shoot to be effective. We have too MANY scorers right now. Too MANY guys who already need shots and are used to getting them. Marbury and Francis are two guys who would just pour fuel on the fire.
Such talents that they will always be intriguing. If we made a deal and got one, you couldn't help but be interested in seeing what happened (unless it was Marbury and you are Slim). But my prediction would be "not much", and the little difference it would make would be bad.
Marbury also has a contract from hell BTW.
Why not?
This team, even if it recovers, which it may well do, is still NOT a title team, and its not a young one with developing stars either that can afford to wait as guys get better from within. And if you're not a title team, then you should ALWAYS be in the market for trades to try to get you to that next level. Just not stupid ones.
All of this trade talk is getting a little wearisome, but at least the individuals mentioned here are of suhc a caliber that them being available would be of interest to almsot any team no matter what level they are currently at.
This team, even if it recovers, which it may well do, is still NOT a title team, and its not a young one with developing stars either that can afford to wait as guys get better from within. And if you're not a title team, then you should ALWAYS be in the market for trades to try to get you to that next level. Just not stupid ones.
All of this trade talk is getting a little wearisome, but at least the individuals mentioned here are of suhc a caliber that them being available would be of interest to almsot any team no matter what level they are currently at.
As much as I HATE to admit it, we are going to need a trade this year. I do think that it is too early to decide who that person needs to be. I have my opinion, but even that may change after a few games.
As for a Bibby trade for either of these two, it would not be smart for us. I FIRMLY believe that any midseason trade should bring an upgrade. They are not. Talent wise they may be better, but they do not do much with their talent for their teams. Bibby does. He may not have shown it as much as we expected so far, but he will.
BCFY, you make some great points and I agree with you. I do feel that Bibby needs to step up now and direct the team better than he has so far. He is more than capable. He is a top 5 point guard. His role on the team has changed bit. We have not had a "scoring" off guard in a long time. DOug has always been one of my favorites, but was never in for his offense. We have needed Bibby to score more in the past. Now we need him to distibute more. I think he will.
As for a Bibby trade for either of these two, it would not be smart for us. I FIRMLY believe that any midseason trade should bring an upgrade. They are not. Talent wise they may be better, but they do not do much with their talent for their teams. Bibby does. He may not have shown it as much as we expected so far, but he will.
BCFY, you make some great points and I agree with you. I do feel that Bibby needs to step up now and direct the team better than he has so far. He is more than capable. He is a top 5 point guard. His role on the team has changed bit. We have not had a "scoring" off guard in a long time. DOug has always been one of my favorites, but was never in for his offense. We have needed Bibby to score more in the past. Now we need him to distibute more. I think he will.
Oh for sure, cause we don't have bigs that can dish the ball the way Webb and Vlade did. But what i meant was that, you can say goodbye to unselfish play and team basketball in Sacramento if GP trades for any of these two guys. And i think pretty much everybody on this board knows this. Neither of them will ever be leaders on championship teams, both are just less-talented versions of Allen Iverson.
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francis for bibby i take that trade just so tht we have a high flyer in the backcourt. y r u guys knocking stevie when playing for jeff van with the rockets he tried to change his game to fit the stlye , not as if he uncoachable...................i could see it now miller @ the elbow throwing a lob pass to a running francis on the base line
Why are we knocking Stevie?
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think Arco is big enough for his ego... One of the biggest complaints about Cuttino Mobley was that he didn't fit in, he was too selfish, etc. If people thought Cat was too selfish, they're about to have to redefine the word to describe how Stevie Franchise feels about passing the ball to other people.
If you like him, fine. No problem. The question was if each of us would like to have either Marbury or Francis on the Kings...
It appears most of us are saying "No."
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't think Arco is big enough for his ego... One of the biggest complaints about Cuttino Mobley was that he didn't fit in, he was too selfish, etc. If people thought Cat was too selfish, they're about to have to redefine the word to describe how Stevie Franchise feels about passing the ball to other people.
If you like him, fine. No problem. The question was if each of us would like to have either Marbury or Francis on the Kings...
It appears most of us are saying "No."