Lowry talk heating up .. Kings in the mix (ESPN)

[Glenn]

According to a tweet I read, Dalembert is on board with returning to the Kings now that Westphal is gone.

Color me UNsurprised!! Like I said earlier, ask him why he wouldn't resign. It's not like this information is hidden deep inside a locked crypt.

 

[sidney]

Color me UNsurprised!! Like I said earlier, ask him why he wouldn't resign. It's not like this information is hidden deep inside a locked crypt.

I didn't see the tweet (maybe bajaden can link?) but it sounds like he was asked and the answer was Westphal

 

[Anthony1]

First off, I only CONSIDER this trade if we are looking at T.Robinson or A.Drummond. If instead we are looking at MKG or Barnes or Beal, no way I do this deal. But, if we assume that Robinson falls to us, and we also could pick Drummond, then I might be willing to CONSIDER this deal, but only if we are ALSO unloading Salmons contract and also getting Daly on a rent to own plan. #14 and #16 overall could be very, very interesting if certain players slip. Imagine if Terrence Jones or Terrence Ross slip to 14. In fact, it's likely that at least one of those guys will slip to 14. I doubt that Henson could slip to 14, but you never know....

What if Dion Waiters slips to 14 ? Then we could certainly trade M. Thornton for something.


Here is what I require for us trading # 5 overall:

1. No chance at MKG, Barnes or Beal
2. We get BOTH 14 and 16
3. We get rid of Salmons contract
4. We get Daly on a rent to own program

 

[JB_kings]

Now see, that's just...people are flipping out for no good reason.

Who's flipping out? You want to trade a #5 for jouneyman center whose contract is up after one season. I'll trade the same pick and two players who probably aren't a big part of the future of the team for one of the 5 best players in the NBA. Instant playoffs. Of course he is likely gone after that one year. But really, what are the odds that Dalembert is gone as well after that year? And if you do sign Dally, it's going to be his last big deal as he'll be 32 years old.

The point is that Dally for a #5 pick is a really bad idea. If the Kings situation is as desperate as you stated, than Dally for a year is not as smart as Howard for a year. The moral is take your pick at #5 unless a really good offer comes along. Dally is not that offer.

 

[bajaden]

Bottom line is that you would have to think Dalembert for one year is worth a #5 pick. I like Dally and he fills a need, but my answer is that he is not worth the pick.

And if the sky is falling with Cousins and everything else, renting Dally for a year isn't going to change that.

Under the scenario that I would be interested in, we would give up the 5th pick, but recieve the 8th pick, essentially moving back 3 spaces. We would also aquire Dalembert and the 14th pick. Now unless MKG or T. Robb is sitting there when we pick, I think thats a pretty good deal. Move down 3 spots, possibly take Henson, and at 14 take Taylor. If Dalembert doesn't work out after next year, just let him walk.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Lets apply some logic here. If Houston is willing to trade Lowery straight up for the 8th pick, then obviously they would trade him straight up for the 5th pick, No? So that means, were not interested in Lowery. At least not for the 5th pick. So that means we can all stop speculating about Lowery coming to the Kings. Would I like him? Yes! Does he play a position of great need right now? NO! We need a big, and a good SF. Also, Dalembert being included in a deal is nothing more than speculation. So until a deal goes down, and Dalembert is included in said deal, maybe we can all stop grinding our teeth.

Just my stupid opinion, but we waste a lot of energy getting upset over something that hasn't even happened.

True, but factor in the complete and utter ineptitude with this team of late and questionable decision making, and its understandable for people to be a little leery.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I think people may be kind of sticking their head in the sand a bit here as to just how short our window is. And by our window, I mean the whole franchise's window. Sacramento's. This board's. In two year's time DeMarcus Cousins can say adios muchachos. We might already have lost our ROY. A rotting building, broke owners still pushing to leave, a fanbase turned off in droves after 7 straight losing seasons. Geoff may have retired, to be replaced by the family dog. There is a cataclysm awaiting continued failure.

That may be, but I surely don't see how trading the #5 pick for the #14 pick and Dalembert is going to avert said cataclysm. If there's a trade out there that puts us in contention now (say, #5 for Gay) then sure. But I think the #5 itself is likely to help us more than the #14 and Dally, in year one.

 

[bajaden]

Who's flipping out? You want to trade a #5 for jouneyman center whose contract is up after one season. I'll trade the same pick and two players who probably aren't a big part of the future of the team for one of the 5 best players in the NBA. Instant playoffs. Of course he is likely gone after that one year. But really, what are the odds that Dalembert is gone as well after that year? And if you do sign Dally, it's going to be his last big deal as he'll be 32 years old.

The point is that Dally for a #5 pick is a really bad idea. If the Kings situation is as desperate as you stated, than Dally for a year is not as smart as Howard for a year. The moral is take your pick at #5 unless a really good offer comes along. Dally is not that offer.

I think Houston is going forward with the idea that they can sell Howard on resigning. I seriously doubt any kind of sales pitch could convince him to resign with the Kings. You have to approach these things with logic, and with as little emotion as possible. Is it a good deal or not? Period! The big question for me is how much does Dally have left in the tank? One thing is for sure, he'll certainly put his best effort forward since he's in a contract year. I'd also like to point out, that we don't know what the offer is, but if it includes the 8th pick and the 14th pick, then to some extent, Dally becomes irrelevant, unless he makes himself revelant.

 

[JB_kings]

Under the scenario that I would be interested in, we would give up the 5th pick, but recieve the 8th pick, essentially moving back 3 spaces. We would also aquire Dalembert and the 14th pick. Now unless MKG or T. Robb is sitting there when we pick, I think thats a pretty good deal. Move down 3 spots, possibly take Henson, and at 14 take Taylor. If Dalembert doesn't work out after next year, just let him walk.

Ok this is different. Because at #8 there is still a chance to get a pretty good impact player. But trading a #5 for a #14 is not in my book. I know this is a draft where you can get lucky with some players later. But all that considered, the later you draft, the player will have bigger flaws in his game. And flaws that might be difficult or impossible to address. Generic things like undersized with talent or great size and little talent.

 

[JB_kings]

That may be, but I surely don't see how trading the #5 pick for the #14 pick and Dalembert is going to avert said cataclysm. If there's a trade out there that puts us in contention now (say, #5 for Gay) then sure. But I think the #5 itself is likely to help us more than the #14 and Dally, in year one.

I might just go Gay for #5.

Did I really just type that?

 

[Bricklayer]

Who's flipping out? You want to trade a #5 for jouneyman center whose contract is up after one season. I'll trade the same pick and two players who probably aren't a big part of the future of the team for one of the 5 best players in the NBA. Instant playoffs. Of course he is likely gone after that one year. But really, what are the odds that Dalembert is gone as well after that year? And if you do sign Dally, it's going to be his last big deal as he'll be 32 years old.

The point is that Dally for a #5 pick is a really bad idea. If the Kings situation is as desperate as you stated, than Dally for a year is not as smart as Howard for a year. The moral is take your pick at #5 unless a really good offer comes along. Dally is not that offer.

No, your move reeks of panic and would result in a complete debacle when Dwight left, with DeMarcus in tow.

Somebody trading back in the draft to pick up a vet and some lower picks on the other hand can make perfect sense or no sense depending on that team's needs and its assessment of the value of players at #5 and #14 or wherever.

I am NOT a huge fan of picks in that range. They rarely work out. But I have been saying since this draft cycle started that if we can't get a guy we need and have confidence in at #5 (which its hard to do when the guys won't even work out for you), then the appropriate move is to trade out of the situation and get a guy we need via that means. Trading for a Daly and one or more picks would be an attempt by Geoff to turn one asset into enough smaller assets to plug multiple holes. I'd rather we turned it into Noah if that's what we're about, but you have to work with what's possible, and Noah's contract might be prohibitive anyway.

 

[Bricklayer]

That may be, but I surely don't see how trading the #5 pick for the #14 pick and Dalembert is going to avert said cataclysm. If there's a trade out there that puts us in contention now (say, #5 for Gay) then sure. But I think the #5 itself is likely to help us more than the #14 and Dally, in year one.

There comes a point when you have your talent and you need your stabilizing vets and roleplayers. People are stubborn about this, but we have our talent. What we have almost none of are the behind the scenes guys that provide the skeleton for that talent to win with.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

Even if I were to agree to the value people hold Dally in (And I absolutely don't)

I would much rather - for example - trade the #5 pick for say, Serge Ibaka, straight up, then to put it to waste on a soon to be free agent who'll be 32 years old by the time we can offer him a contract, and might just bail again - A deal OKC would be silly to reject - just an example of the imo countless of other moves we can make with the #5 that are vastly superior to Dally+#14.

 

[Glenn]

I might just go Gay for #5.

Did I really just type that?

It's a thought.

 

[rainmaker]

Whats with all the anger? Were just talking deals here. Forget the past and consider whether Dalembert could help us or not? If so, then it doesn't matter what circumstance he left under. The only thing that matters is whether its a good deal for us or not. Besides, apparently we didn't just let him walk. He didn't want to return here because of Westphal. Well, Westphal isn't here anymore. Maybe a one year rental to see how things play out is the best way to approach this.

I've already said whether I think it's a good deal or not. I want Daly, but not at the expense of the #5. Him walking in a year is too risky for me, and I'm a huge Daly fan. If we're just discussing rumors, which we are, I dont see how you can be so certain based on a tweet that Daly's issue was only based on Westy. Maybe, maybe not.

But imo trading the #5 for what could be a 1 yr rental is too risky for me.

P.S. I'm not angry at all. Nothing has happened yet.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Even if I were to agree to the value people hold Dally in (And I absolutely don't)

I would much rather - for example - trade the #5 pick for say, Serge Ibaka, straight up, then to put it to waste on a soon to be free agent who'll be 32 years old by the time we can offer him a contract, and might just bail again - A deal OKC would be silly to reject - just an example of the imo countless of other moves we can make with the #5 that are vastly superior to Dally+#14.

Why on earth would OKC trade Ibaka for the 5th pick? They'd be silly to do it, not to reject it.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

Why on earth would OKC trade Ibaka for the 5th pick? They'd be silly to do it, not to reject it.

Unless you're suggesting they rid themselves of Harden, I just don't see them getting a better value - and I don't see them being able to keep both Harden and Ibaka(With Harden imo being the obvious keeper)

 

[Entity]

what happened to Lowry.. How did this become #5 for Daly?

 

[rainmaker]

Lets apply some logic here. If Houston is willing to trade Lowery straight up for the 8th pick, then obviously they would trade him straight up for the 5th pick, No? So that means, were not interested in Lowery. At least not for the 5th pick. So that means we can all stop speculating about Lowery coming to the Kings. Would I like him? Yes! Does he play a position of great need right now? NO! We need a big, and a good SF. Also, Dalembert being included in a deal is nothing more than speculation. So until a deal goes down, and Dalembert is included in said deal, maybe we can all stop grinding our teeth.

Just my stupid opinion, but we waste a lot of energy getting upset over something that hasn't even happened.

If you want to apply logic, then start considering Tor, as well as Hou's objectives. Hou wants the #5 and the #8 to flip to Orl, right? From rumors, Tor really wants Lowry, but nothing has been mentioned about them wanting another player Hou currently has. There's also been rumors we want Lowry, or Lillard, which means Petrie would want a starting PG, as there was another rumor stating our FO doesn't think IT is a fulltime starting PG going forward. So whether or not you personally don't think PG is a great need, rumors from our FO suggest otherwise, that is if we're talking about rumors, which we are.

So, we very well might be targeting Lowry, but if Lowry is the only player Tor likes on Hou, and Hou traded Lowry to us for the #5, that would mean it's less likely Hou can get Tor's #8 as they would be shipping the player Tor covets to us.

Don't think I haven't applied logic. It's pretty simple. We both might want Lowry. Hou wants the 5 and 8. If they trade Lowry to us, then how do they get the 8 from Tor?

If we're discussing rumors, then why get all upset about my opinion on rumors, and act like your own opinions are based on fact?

 

[SacKings7]

Unless you're suggesting they rid themselves of Harden, I just don't see them getting a better value - and I don't see them being able to keep both Harden and Ibaka(With Harden imo being the obvious keeper)

I read somewhere (NBA.com I believe) that it would come down to choosing between Westbrook and Harden, not Ibaka and Harden. I think they polled NBA GM's or something about which one they would keep, and most actually picked Harden over Westbrook. Based on $ I would assume.

Anyway, I would LOVE to get both Lowry and Dalembert. Lowry was playing better than anybody on the Kings (and about half the other teams) before he went down with his injury, he's a late bloomer but he's a very good player. Dalembert's an idiot, but he's the type of player we need in our frontcourt. 'nuff said IMO

 

[bajaden]

True, but factor in the complete and utter ineptitude with this team of late and questionable decision making, and its understandable for people to be a little leery.

Look, I can only deal with facts. How intelligent or inept someone may or may not be is irrelevant to the conversation. Its merely a subjective opinon that varies from person to person, and more importantly, something I can do nothing about. Personally, I disagree about Petrie. I think he's a bright guy, and he didn't suddenly become stupid. What he can and can't do is decided by ownership. To what degree the Maloofs interfere, is unknown and subject to the personal speculation of each individual.

So there's no way for me to factor in any of that since I don't know the degree of the interference.

 

[Bricklayer]

If you want to apply logic, then start considering Tor, as well as Hou's objectives. Hou wants the #5 and the #8 to flip to Orl, right? From rumors, Tor really wants Lowry, but nothing has been mentioned about them wanting another player Hou currently has. There's also been rumors we want Lowry, or Lillard, which means Petrie would want a starting PG, as there was another rumor stating our FO doesn't think IT is a fulltime starting PG going forward. So whether or not you personally don't think PG is a great need, rumors from our FO suggest otherwise, that is if we're talking about rumors, which we are.

So, we very well might be targeting Lowry, but if Lowry is the only player Tor likes on Hou, and Hou traded Lowry to us for the #5, that would mean it's less likely Hou can get Tor's #8 as they would be shipping the player Tor covets to us.

Don't think I haven't applied logic. It's pretty simple. We both might want Lowry. Hou wants the 5 and 8. If they trade Lowry to us, then how do they get the 8 from Tor?

If we're discussing rumors, then why get all upset about my opinion on rumors, and act like your own opinions are based on fact?

Have their actually been rumors of us being interested in Lowry, aside from this very board going hmm, Lowry looks available we should get him?

 

[Section 101]

I read somewhere (NBA.com I believe) that it would come down to choosing between Westbrook and Harden, not Ibaka and Harden. I think they polled NBA GM's or something about which one they would keep, and most actually picked Harden over Westbrook. Based on $ I would assume.

Anyway, I would LOVE to get both Lowry and Dalembert. Lowry was playing better than anybody on the Kings (and about half the other teams) before he went down with his injury, he's a late bloomer but he's a very good player. Dalembert's an idiot, but he's the type of player we need in our frontcourt. 'nuff said IMO

Was this before or after Harden was a no show in the finals?

 

[sidney]

Have their actually been rumors of us being interested in Lowry, aside from this very board going hmm, Lowry looks available we should get him?

I believe Jerry Reynolds is very high on him in general, in fact said he was better than Deron Williams

But who knows...

 

[bajaden]

Even if I were to agree to the value people hold Dally in (And I absolutely don't)

I would much rather - for example - trade the #5 pick for say, Serge Ibaka, straight up, then to put it to waste on a soon to be free agent who'll be 32 years old by the time we can offer him a contract, and might just bail again - A deal OKC would be silly to reject - just an example of the imo countless of other moves we can make with the #5 that are vastly superior to Dally+#14.

Well now if your asking me if I'd rather have Ibaka, the answer would be yes. But we both know thats not going to happen. There is no way in hell that the Thunder would trade Ibaka for the 5th pick in the draft. He may be the best shotblocker in the NBA, soon to be challenged by some kid named Davis, and a player you do everything to keep.

 

[rainmaker]

Have their actually been rumors of us being interested in Lowry, aside from this very board going hmm, Lowry looks available we should get him?

Saw this:

Sources say that Houston has discussed deals with several teams in the top 10 about moving up in the draft. And the Rockets might have found two willing partners. Although sources stressed that no deal is imminent, Sacramento (No. 5) and Toronto (No. 8) have let Houston know that their top-10 selections are available. Sources say that the Rockets, in turn, have made both of their first-round picks available (No. 14 and No. 16), but the key to any trade going through could be point guard Kyle Lowry.

late last night along with a tweet saying something along the lines of "Toronto & Sac willing to move their top 10 picks while targeting Lowry". Will look more for that tweet. Combine that with the tweet from a day or two ago about us liking Lillard, and the FO not thinking IT is the solution as a starting PG, I see no reason to believe we might not be targeting Lowry. Probably targeting both he and Daly.

Think what I saw was the title to this story linked on a tweet.

"Kings Draft Rumors: Rockets Could Deal Kyle Lowry For No. 5 Pick"

Which links the same paragraph I posted as past of the speculation.

The Sacramento Kings have a draft pick that they could potentially deal if they don't feel strongly about who they can pick it up. With top prospects like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Thomas Robinson likely going out after the top four, Sacramento not likely who they can pick up with the fifth spot and try and trade down and find a better spot later on in the draft if they don't like what they see here.

The Houston Rockets are actively looking to move up in the draft. which could mean the Kings might have a potential trading partner if they decide to move the pick. Chad Ford and Marc Stein of ESPN has this report.

Although sources stressed that no deal is imminent, Sacramento (No. 5) and Toronto (No. 8 ) have let Houston know that their top-10 selections are available. Sources say that the Rockets, in turn, have made both of their first-round picks available (No. 14 and No. 16), but the key to any trade going through could be point guard Kyle Lowry.

The Raptors have been especially fond of Lowry, who has been regarded for months as a borderline untouchable in Houston but more recently has publicly expressed his dissatisfaction with Rockets coach Kevin McHale. Whether the Rockets are indeed prepared to part with Lowry, as talks with the Kings, Raptors and other teams continue, figures to be one of the bigger stories of draft week.

http://bayarea.sbnation.com/sacrame...09/nba-rumors-2012-sacramento-kings-nba-draft

Although I'm somewhat sure I saw another tweet as well.

Edit: Also this

The rumored plan for Houston is to grab the Kings' pick and the Raptors’ No. 8 pick in exchange for the 14th and 16th picks.

Houston would send the Kings and Raptors’ picks to the Orlando Magic to land superstar center Dwight Howard.

For the Kings to be in play for Lowry, they would likely have to give up rookie point guard Isaiah Thomas.

At five-feet-nine-inches and 185 pounds, Thomas averaged 11.5 points, 2.6 rebounds and 4.1 assists per game and earned a spot in the starting line-up during his first year in the league.

As a starter, Thomas averaged 15.4 points, 3.1 rebounds and 5.4 assists per game in 37 games.

If Lowry was traded with one of Houston's two picks, it would not only bring a much needed veteran presence to the team, he would also bring solid point guard play. His contract is worth $5.8 million next year and guaranteed only $1 million in the final year.

Thomas’ contract is worth $3.3 million with a qualifying offer in the fourth year, which could save the Kings money when they try to re-sign Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins.

It also means that the Kings could keep a blossoming point guard longer than they would have had Lowry, should he decide to leave after his contract is up.

If the Kings gave up the No. 5 overall pick in the draft for one of Houston's picks, there would be a talent drop in where they are drafting.

They would go from being in play for Kentucky's Michael Kidd-Gilchrist or North Carolina's Harrison Barnes to Gilchrist's teammate Terrence Jones and Barnes' teammate Tyler Zeller.

Only time will tell who the better player is in the long run, but the Kings would have to consider if the risk is worth taking if a trade offer for Lowry was on the table.

 

[SacTownKid]

Bottom line is that you would have to think Dalembert for one year is worth a #5 pick. I like Dally and he fills a need, but my answer is that he is not worth the pick.

And if the sky is falling with Cousins and everything else, renting Dally for a year isn't going to change that.

I find no upside long term, as in more than one year, in trading Drummond for Daly. That could very well end up as one of the worst trades in the history of the game.

 

[bajaden]

Unless you're suggesting they rid themselves of Harden, I just don't see them getting a better value - and I don't see them being able to keep both Harden and Ibaka(With Harden imo being the obvious keeper)

If you go look at the Thunder's roster and whose under contract along with total salaries, they won't have any trouble using the bird exception to keep those guys, and stay under the luxury tax. Which is the main thing teams with money to spend are trying to do. They can only max one of them, but they should be able to resign both and keep the core together.

If they let Maynor walk their total salaries would only be around 52 mil after next year. both guys would be restricted and all they have to do is match if they don't extend between now and them.

 

[bajaden]

If you want to apply logic, then start considering Tor, as well as Hou's objectives. Hou wants the #5 and the #8 to flip to Orl, right? From rumors, Tor really wants Lowry, but nothing has been mentioned about them wanting another player Hou currently has. There's also been rumors we want Lowry, or Lillard, which means Petrie would want a starting PG, as there was another rumor stating our FO doesn't think IT is a fulltime starting PG going forward. So whether or not you personally don't think PG is a great need, rumors from our FO suggest otherwise, that is if we're talking about rumors, which we are.

So, we very well might be targeting Lowry, but if Lowry is the only player Tor likes on Hou, and Hou traded Lowry to us for the #5, that would mean it's less likely Hou can get Tor's #8 as they would be shipping the player Tor covets to us.

Don't think I haven't applied logic. It's pretty simple. We both might want Lowry. Hou wants the 5 and 8. If they trade Lowry to us, then how do they get the 8 from Tor?

If we're discussing rumors, then why get all upset about my opinion on rumors, and act like your own opinions are based on fact?

I think your missing the point. According to the rumor, Orlando is lusting after Drummond. If so, and thats the basis for these trades, then it doesn't matter what Toronto wants. Your not going to get Drummond with the 8th pick in the draft, but you are going to get him with the 5th pick in the draft. If Drummond is the key player here, then the Kings have all the power with the 5th pick.

 

[bajaden]

I read somewhere (NBA.com I believe) that it would come down to choosing between Westbrook and Harden, not Ibaka and Harden. I think they polled NBA GM's or something about which one they would keep, and most actually picked Harden over Westbrook. Based on $ I would assume.

Anyway, I would LOVE to get both Lowry and Dalembert. Lowry was playing better than anybody on the Kings (and about half the other teams) before he went down with his injury, he's a late bloomer but he's a very good player. Dalembert's an idiot, but he's the type of player we need in our frontcourt. 'nuff said IMO

Westbrook is signed for the next four years. He just signed a new contract. The only two key players coming up for contracts after next year are Harden and Ibaka.