Lowry talk heating up .. Kings in the mix (ESPN)
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If MKG is on the board at #5 and we pass on him, I'll have a hard time swallowing that.
But even with him on the board I'd be ok with a Houston trade provided that we end up with the following things.
1.) Lowry
2.) #14 or #16 and we use that to pick up a quality SF
3.) Dalembert
4.) Cap relief (Preferably in a trade for Hayes)
If we can get a starting quality SF, Lowry, & Dalembert as well as shed a long contract I could accept passing on MKG...just barely.
I'd rather get Dalembert instead of the other mid-round pick, because there are not any big-men in the middle of the 1st round I'd rather pair with Cousins.
But even with him on the board I'd be ok with a Houston trade provided that we end up with the following things.
1.) Lowry
2.) #14 or #16 and we use that to pick up a quality SF
3.) Dalembert
4.) Cap relief (Preferably in a trade for Hayes)
If we can get a starting quality SF, Lowry, & Dalembert as well as shed a long contract I could accept passing on MKG...just barely.
I'd rather get Dalembert instead of the other mid-round pick, because there are not any big-men in the middle of the 1st round I'd rather pair with Cousins.
If MKG is off the board, you do everything possible to snatch Lowry.
Kyle was having an absolute breakout season before that nasty virus hit him. When you look at his split stats, his FG% actually rose to 47% in February, with his 3% still being solid. I was lucky to pick him up in my fantasy draft in the 3-5th rounds since he was in the top 5 overall during the season.
Aside from statistics, he is a gritty, hard nosed, tough defender who can score, penetrate, and hit the 3. He may be 6'0, but he is one hell of a chunky 6 footer with a great base. You won't back him down with ease at all. Lowry, with his penetration ability finds the open man on a consistent basis, which is what we need from our PG, while still having the luxury of having a scoring threat from that position.
We move Reke to the 2, hopefully get Deng in a trade, or draft some quality SF's.
This is assuming we can somehow convince Thornton that he will be an absolute monster coming off the bench while helping the team tremendously.
Kyle was having an absolute breakout season before that nasty virus hit him. When you look at his split stats, his FG% actually rose to 47% in February, with his 3% still being solid. I was lucky to pick him up in my fantasy draft in the 3-5th rounds since he was in the top 5 overall during the season.
Aside from statistics, he is a gritty, hard nosed, tough defender who can score, penetrate, and hit the 3. He may be 6'0, but he is one hell of a chunky 6 footer with a great base. You won't back him down with ease at all. Lowry, with his penetration ability finds the open man on a consistent basis, which is what we need from our PG, while still having the luxury of having a scoring threat from that position.
We move Reke to the 2, hopefully get Deng in a trade, or draft some quality SF's.
This is assuming we can somehow convince Thornton that he will be an absolute monster coming off the bench while helping the team tremendously.
He's a good three point shooter anymore. And a prolific one.
Also, leader =/= nice guy. I don't know how much of natural leader he is, but he'll lead you i floor burns, and its a lot easier leading a group of guys when you're avet than when you are the youngest and least experienced guy on the team. Hey guys, follow me! I know I haven't actually been in the league before, or done anything, or even been to this city before...or had a drink...legally...but..hey, I'll show you how its done! Tough.
Also, leader =/= nice guy. I don't know how much of natural leader he is, but he'll lead you i floor burns, and its a lot easier leading a group of guys when you're avet than when you are the youngest and least experienced guy on the team. Hey guys, follow me! I know I haven't actually been in the league before, or done anything, or even been to this city before...or had a drink...legally...but..hey, I'll show you how its done! Tough.
Maybe it does that (although I would think the writing should be on the wall for Dragic that they'll move him if they re-sign him) but it also hurts their bargaining power. If they trade Lowry, then Dragic can ask for a lot more knowing that they have no fallback plan and they're desperate to keep him.
interesting post at houston forum:
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Originally Posted by megastahr
I think that we have a deal in place and I see it as this:
Lowry for the no 8 from toronto (maybe another piece that will be routed to kings)
Dalembert (14 and 16) to kings for no 5 (and maybe either a piece from toronto or bud or morris)
I'm thinking maybe Scola instead of Dalembert, but I also think it's one of the two for 14, 16 and possible another piece from TOR for #5.
I'm probably being greedy here, but I hope we somehow end up with Isaiah Thomas as well. Good player. Cheap. Perfect backup PG to Dragic/D-Will.
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Originally Posted by megastahr
I think that we have a deal in place and I see it as this:
Lowry for the no 8 from toronto (maybe another piece that will be routed to kings)
Dalembert (14 and 16) to kings for no 5 (and maybe either a piece from toronto or bud or morris)
I'm thinking maybe Scola instead of Dalembert, but I also think it's one of the two for 14, 16 and possible another piece from TOR for #5.
I'm probably being greedy here, but I hope we somehow end up with Isaiah Thomas as well. Good player. Cheap. Perfect backup PG to Dragic/D-Will.
The other post from Houston forum that seems popular:
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Originally Posted by BimaThug
It's interesting how both Sacramento and Toronto--the two teams currently sitting on the most 2011-12 cap room--are listed as teams with which the Rockets are negotiating to (reportedly) move up to take Andre Drummond. Well, it's unlikely that Drummond is still on the board at #8. So, why is Toronto being mentioned?
My hypothesis: BOTH teams could be involved in a 3-way deal with the Rockets.
Here's a possible scenario for the "Drummond-for-Dwight" crowd:
Houston receives: #5 pick
Sacramento receives: #8 pick, #14 pick and Samuel Dalembert
Toronto receives: Kyle Lowry
By trading Lowry ($5.75M) and Dalembert ($7M) to two teams that can absorb their salaries without sending any salary back--remember, draft picks count as $0 in trades and against the cap prior to July 1--the Rockets could find themselves ~$10.8M below the 2011-12 salary cap.
This would mean that the Rockets could absorb (most of) Howard's $18.1M salary ON DRAFT NIGHT without sending back equal salary. Something like Martin, #5 (Drummond) and #16 for Howard would work.
I'm not saying all of this because I am a proponent of getting Dwight Howard. I'm just illustrating how it would be possible to both trade up for Drummond AND trade for Dwight Howard ON DRAFT NIGHT, thereby eliminating Clutch's concerns over there being any sort of "gap" between the draft and a Howard trade.
I am not sure about our hope that we send Hayes or salmons to houston, because when I read most of the houston's post's about flipping the #5 and #8 for Dwight Howard
they are concerned about cap space and the ability to sign Duron Williams to keep Dwight in houston after the trade.
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Originally Posted by BimaThug
It's interesting how both Sacramento and Toronto--the two teams currently sitting on the most 2011-12 cap room--are listed as teams with which the Rockets are negotiating to (reportedly) move up to take Andre Drummond. Well, it's unlikely that Drummond is still on the board at #8. So, why is Toronto being mentioned?
My hypothesis: BOTH teams could be involved in a 3-way deal with the Rockets.
Here's a possible scenario for the "Drummond-for-Dwight" crowd:
Houston receives: #5 pick
Sacramento receives: #8 pick, #14 pick and Samuel Dalembert
Toronto receives: Kyle Lowry
By trading Lowry ($5.75M) and Dalembert ($7M) to two teams that can absorb their salaries without sending any salary back--remember, draft picks count as $0 in trades and against the cap prior to July 1--the Rockets could find themselves ~$10.8M below the 2011-12 salary cap.
This would mean that the Rockets could absorb (most of) Howard's $18.1M salary ON DRAFT NIGHT without sending back equal salary. Something like Martin, #5 (Drummond) and #16 for Howard would work.
I'm not saying all of this because I am a proponent of getting Dwight Howard. I'm just illustrating how it would be possible to both trade up for Drummond AND trade for Dwight Howard ON DRAFT NIGHT, thereby eliminating Clutch's concerns over there being any sort of "gap" between the draft and a Howard trade.
I am not sure about our hope that we send Hayes or salmons to houston, because when I read most of the houston's post's about flipping the #5 and #8 for Dwight Howard
they are concerned about cap space and the ability to sign Duron Williams to keep Dwight in houston after the trade.
"No ****" to the bold faced and "you betcha" to the rest.
First off I want MKG because he is darn near perfect for us. I think once we see his energy and how inspiring a guy like him can be, we will forget that he has no three point shot. Hell, we loved Michael "The Animal" Smith.
If we can't get MKG or Davis, we open the can of options that the #5 pick gives us. Here's where Petrie kicks into high gear.
There are soooo many options this year and we are a team that doesn't need offense or a franchise player. In my view there is only one way we could screw this up and I trust Petrie. My "never trade down" mantra can be altered because of our unique needs or LACK of needs is maybe a better way to put it. I still would not trade down if Davis or MKG were available. The rest of the potential picks have holes in their games that don't work perfectly for the Kings. Barnes can't create his own shot and despite the fact he may develop a solid three point shot, he doesn't have it yet. Drummond - disaster in the making. Why take the risk when I think we can get what he offers NOW in other ways. There are other ways of giving us one of the best front courts when we have Cuz and JT already. Also, thinking down the road, getting a superstar may not be affordable. Finally, Robinson is a great energy player who isn't the type of defensive player we need.
Let me set this paragraph alone. Why ruin having the #5 and all the options it gives us in a deep draft by picking Drummond? That would take cuevos of steel as a screw up would send Petrie into retirement.
We can load up on role players and because of the depth of this draft, the mid first round where we are showing a lot of interest has a lot of people good enough to be very good role players. If we came out of this with Tyreke and Cousins still on the team and Henson and Lowrie as additions, I'd be a happy camper. Throw in Daly, one year or not, and I would wet my pants. The options certainly aren't limited to this and as much as we criticize Petrie, he's a good draft day GM.
This is a time where intelligence is one of the main characteristics we need in a GM. As we fans have time to think before we post, we can be brilliant. He, on the other hand, will be making draft day decisions in real time and needs to have all the info at his finger tips going into that day. Thus the workouts of mid level people.
First off I want MKG because he is darn near perfect for us. I think once we see his energy and how inspiring a guy like him can be, we will forget that he has no three point shot. Hell, we loved Michael "The Animal" Smith.
If we can't get MKG or Davis, we open the can of options that the #5 pick gives us. Here's where Petrie kicks into high gear.
There are soooo many options this year and we are a team that doesn't need offense or a franchise player. In my view there is only one way we could screw this up and I trust Petrie. My "never trade down" mantra can be altered because of our unique needs or LACK of needs is maybe a better way to put it. I still would not trade down if Davis or MKG were available. The rest of the potential picks have holes in their games that don't work perfectly for the Kings. Barnes can't create his own shot and despite the fact he may develop a solid three point shot, he doesn't have it yet. Drummond - disaster in the making. Why take the risk when I think we can get what he offers NOW in other ways. There are other ways of giving us one of the best front courts when we have Cuz and JT already. Also, thinking down the road, getting a superstar may not be affordable. Finally, Robinson is a great energy player who isn't the type of defensive player we need.
Let me set this paragraph alone. Why ruin having the #5 and all the options it gives us in a deep draft by picking Drummond? That would take cuevos of steel as a screw up would send Petrie into retirement.
We can load up on role players and because of the depth of this draft, the mid first round where we are showing a lot of interest has a lot of people good enough to be very good role players. If we came out of this with Tyreke and Cousins still on the team and Henson and Lowrie as additions, I'd be a happy camper. Throw in Daly, one year or not, and I would wet my pants. The options certainly aren't limited to this and as much as we criticize Petrie, he's a good draft day GM.
This is a time where intelligence is one of the main characteristics we need in a GM. As we fans have time to think before we post, we can be brilliant. He, on the other hand, will be making draft day decisions in real time and needs to have all the info at his finger tips going into that day. Thus the workouts of mid level people.
It would suck if we traded the pick and MKG or T-Rob would be available at #5 on draft night. 
If you trade back to say #14 to get your quality SF (assuming the Kings think there is one around there), you're taking two risks: 1) that the player won't have been drafted before #14, and 2) that the player is in fact a quality SF. So, one risk compounds the other. I wouldn't bank on getting that quality SF in this trade. He'd have to come via some other trade, imo.
One has to think that Houston has Orlando on board before they would make this trade. So if the price of getting Howard is losing Lowery, well then, bye bye Lowery. I mean seriously, who would you rather have? So I'm agreeing with you. Not sure how they'll come up with enough capspace to accommadate both Williams and Howard though.
The other post from Houston forum that seems popular:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BimaThug
It's interesting how both Sacramento and Toronto--the two teams currently sitting on the most 2011-12 cap room--are listed as teams with which the Rockets are negotiating to (reportedly) move up to take Andre Drummond. Well, it's unlikely that Drummond is still on the board at #8. So, why is Toronto being mentioned?
My hypothesis: BOTH teams could be involved in a 3-way deal with the Rockets.
Here's a possible scenario for the "Drummond-for-Dwight" crowd:
Houston receives: #5 pick
Sacramento receives: #8 pick, #14 pick and Samuel Dalembert
Toronto receives: Kyle Lowry
By trading Lowry ($5.75M) and Dalembert ($7M) to two teams that can absorb their salaries without sending any salary back--remember, draft picks count as $0 in trades and against the cap prior to July 1--the Rockets could find themselves ~$10.8M below the 2011-12 salary cap.
This would mean that the Rockets could absorb (most of) Howard's $18.1M salary ON DRAFT NIGHT without sending back equal salary. Something like Martin, #5 (Drummond) and #16 for Howard would work.
I'm not saying all of this because I am a proponent of getting Dwight Howard. I'm just illustrating how it would be possible to both trade up for Drummond AND trade for Dwight Howard ON DRAFT NIGHT, thereby eliminating Clutch's concerns over there being any sort of "gap" between the draft and a Howard trade.
I am not sure about our hope that we send Hayes or salmons to houston, because when I read most of the houston's post's about flipping the #5 and #8 for Dwight Howard
they are concerned about cap space and the ability to sign Duron Williams to keep Dwight in houston after the trade.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BimaThug
It's interesting how both Sacramento and Toronto--the two teams currently sitting on the most 2011-12 cap room--are listed as teams with which the Rockets are negotiating to (reportedly) move up to take Andre Drummond. Well, it's unlikely that Drummond is still on the board at #8. So, why is Toronto being mentioned?
My hypothesis: BOTH teams could be involved in a 3-way deal with the Rockets.
Here's a possible scenario for the "Drummond-for-Dwight" crowd:
Houston receives: #5 pick
Sacramento receives: #8 pick, #14 pick and Samuel Dalembert
Toronto receives: Kyle Lowry
By trading Lowry ($5.75M) and Dalembert ($7M) to two teams that can absorb their salaries without sending any salary back--remember, draft picks count as $0 in trades and against the cap prior to July 1--the Rockets could find themselves ~$10.8M below the 2011-12 salary cap.
This would mean that the Rockets could absorb (most of) Howard's $18.1M salary ON DRAFT NIGHT without sending back equal salary. Something like Martin, #5 (Drummond) and #16 for Howard would work.
I'm not saying all of this because I am a proponent of getting Dwight Howard. I'm just illustrating how it would be possible to both trade up for Drummond AND trade for Dwight Howard ON DRAFT NIGHT, thereby eliminating Clutch's concerns over there being any sort of "gap" between the draft and a Howard trade.
I am not sure about our hope that we send Hayes or salmons to houston, because when I read most of the houston's post's about flipping the #5 and #8 for Dwight Howard
they are concerned about cap space and the ability to sign Duron Williams to keep Dwight in houston after the trade.
So if the Kings do go down to #8, these are the players that could be there according to three mock drafts:
Lillard
Drummond
Waiters
Henson
J. Lamb
Myers Leonard
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Personally, I don't do the deal without getting Lowry. Daly imo is too big a question mark with only having 1 yr left on his contract and coming in out of shape last year in Hou. Doesn't mean I don't want Daly, but I'm not moving down for the #8 and #14 in this scenario. Why? If Daly did come in out of shape or left after a year, then we essentially traded the #5 for the #8 and #14 which I'm not a fan of.
And if Tor got Lowry for the #8, imo that would mean they got the best player involved in all of this while giving up a lesser pick than us. Actually, the #5 might end up being better than Lowry(MAYBE), and in that case we don't have the player taken at #5 OR Lowry. No way I do this if we don't end up with one of the top two players in a potential three team deal.
Ranking the pieces in this rumored deal, I'd go
1) #5 pick
2) Lowry
3) Daly(risky with 1 yr remaining)
4) #8 pick
5) #14 pick
6) #16 pick (if involved)
Now, the top two here can be flipped, meaning Lowry could be better value than the #5, but I still rank the #5 and Lowry as the top two pieces in this deal, and we wouldn't get either.
Daly and the #8 could be flipped around, but imo they're the clear 3rd and 4th valuable pieces in this deal.
Need Lowry for me to do a deal.
And if Tor got Lowry for the #8, imo that would mean they got the best player involved in all of this while giving up a lesser pick than us. Actually, the #5 might end up being better than Lowry(MAYBE), and in that case we don't have the player taken at #5 OR Lowry. No way I do this if we don't end up with one of the top two players in a potential three team deal.
Ranking the pieces in this rumored deal, I'd go
1) #5 pick
2) Lowry
3) Daly(risky with 1 yr remaining)
4) #8 pick
5) #14 pick
6) #16 pick (if involved)
Now, the top two here can be flipped, meaning Lowry could be better value than the #5, but I still rank the #5 and Lowry as the top two pieces in this deal, and we wouldn't get either.
Daly and the #8 could be flipped around, but imo they're the clear 3rd and 4th valuable pieces in this deal.
Need Lowry for me to do a deal.
It depends on why Daly did not want to sign with the Kings. It was Westphal that made him angry by not playing him. His agent intervened. Westphal, for students of history, was the coach when we were negotiating with Daly over the summer. As to his relationship with Cuz, I watched them on the bench and they seemed to be getting along just fine. But it's simple to solve. Ask him.
Not that i trust HW, but if its #5 for Daley and #16, i will be done.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba2-chicago-bulls-chasing-dwight-howard
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba2-chicago-bulls-chasing-dwight-howard