Lottery position thread
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If you have not noticed Brick, I am an effing idiot.
That is the last time I will try and be funny right before I go to bed and after 1-2 glasses of wine.
What is the giant from China's name anyway? Is it my imagination or has the number of Chinese being drafted increased by about 10x in the last few years?
That is the last time I will try and be funny right before I go to bed and after 1-2 glasses of wine.
What is the giant from China's name anyway? Is it my imagination or has the number of Chinese being drafted increased by about 10x in the last few years?
I think Sun Ming? Not sure -- have forgotten. Be a good story given all he;s gone through, but I don't think that guy is ever going to make it. You see him move it reminds you of what complete freaks the Garnetts and Shaqs of the world are to be able to move the way they do at 7'0" tall. A lot of people that immense are almost disabled by it -- clumsy, slow, uncoordinated etc.
i really want yi in this draft, but even if yi is available when we pick, do you think geoff would take him? it doenst seem like a player geoff would pick (you know... over 6'7). in all seriousness though, would yi come to the nba for a workout? im not sure how they do things when its international.
it would kill me if yi was still left on the table after we drafted. it makes business sense as well, since sacramento has a large population of asians, not to mention all the asians that are situated in the bay area.
it would kill me if yi was still left on the table after we drafted. it makes business sense as well, since sacramento has a large population of asians, not to mention all the asians that are situated in the bay area.
As I've said, would have high hopes if Jianlin was drafted. But not a sure thing when the kid's playing in a league where Wang Zhizhi is putting up even bigger numbers and might be the league MVP.
Thing is, there still may be an opportunity in this draft to get a second high pick too...maybe. What I had in mind was focusing on those two picks going to already good teams (Chicago, Phoenix) and seeing if there was a deal to be made offering them our vets to help them win now, in exchange for their lottery picks (obviously a draft day thing after they are sure they aren't in line to get Oden). But you might be able to convince Chicago to give you the Knicks pick if its only #10, or Phoenix to maybe part with the Atlanta pick if its only #8 (maybe) if you put your top guys out there. I would absolutely love to trot out Kevin next year with not one, but TWO young bigs out of this crop. Not to mention maybe seeing if anybody slides down in the second round. Unfortunately not the way geoff has ever worked. but damnit, this year it should be. It really should. Even deprived of the Durant/Oden superduperstud, you could get a running start on the future by getting multiple young bigs out of this draft. And gee, if you struggled with all the youth next year, the great "oh darn" would be that you would then get ahigh pick in the great PG draft of '08. In the space of a little more than a calendar year you could have virtually your entire long term future lineup of talented kids in place.
We don't do stuff like that, but I'm going to spend all summer crossing my fingers and hoping against hope.
Thing is, there still may be an opportunity in this draft to get a second high pick too...maybe. What I had in mind was focusing on those two picks going to already good teams (Chicago, Phoenix) and seeing if there was a deal to be made offering them our vets to help them win now, in exchange for their lottery picks (obviously a draft day thing after they are sure they aren't in line to get Oden). But you might be able to convince Chicago to give you the Knicks pick if its only #10, or Phoenix to maybe part with the Atlanta pick if its only #8 (maybe) if you put your top guys out there. I would absolutely love to trot out Kevin next year with not one, but TWO young bigs out of this crop. Not to mention maybe seeing if anybody slides down in the second round. Unfortunately not the way geoff has ever worked. but damnit, this year it should be. It really should. Even deprived of the Durant/Oden superduperstud, you could get a running start on the future by getting multiple young bigs out of this draft. And gee, if you struggled with all the youth next year, the great "oh darn" would be that you would then get ahigh pick in the great PG draft of '08. In the space of a little more than a calendar year you could have virtually your entire long term future lineup of talented kids in place.
We don't do stuff like that, but I'm going to spend all summer crossing my fingers and hoping against hope.
youre right, i generalized too much, but i did not want to just say chinese because asians in the nba are not represented at all. while there are of course varying degrees to which an asian could identify with a chinese guy, it would be too narrow a scope to say that yi would only affect the chinese fanbase in terms of ethnicity.
Good idea in theory, and you know I've been on this bandwagon from the start, but I'm struggling to see a sceario where this works out. Chicago doesn't have the salaries to match a Miller-type contract, and I'm assuming SAR wouldn't be enough to net their first rounder. As for Phoenix, meanwhile, I don't know that they'd be interested in any of our pieces.
But of course, I'm all for having two picks in the 8-13 range, and picking up a new frontcourt through the draft. We just may need to look for some other teams to do it.
But of course, I'm all for having two picks in the 8-13 range, and picking up a new frontcourt through the draft. We just may need to look for some other teams to do it.
We won't be able to get a high draft pick out of Miller/Artest/Reef. But if we get the #6 or something like that we might be able to trade up. Example:
Lets say Atlanta gets lucky and gets the 3rd pick. They have no PG and they have some cap room. So we trade them #6+Bibby for #3+a guy like Speedy Claxton.
Or we might be able to get a late lottery-mid first with Artest/Mike. I could see the Knicks/Heat giving up their first for Ron. I could see the Heat and a few other teams giving up a 1st for Bibby.
Honestly another concern I have is getting a pass first PG that plays D this summer.
Lets say Atlanta gets lucky and gets the 3rd pick. They have no PG and they have some cap room. So we trade them #6+Bibby for #3+a guy like Speedy Claxton.
Or we might be able to get a late lottery-mid first with Artest/Mike. I could see the Knicks/Heat giving up their first for Ron. I could see the Heat and a few other teams giving up a 1st for Bibby.
Honestly another concern I have is getting a pass first PG that plays D this summer.
Is that really possible, though? My understanding (someone correct me if I'm wrong) of the current NBA rules is that draft picks count as zero value when calculating whether they are an allowable payroll match -- they can only be used to sweeten a deal. After they are drafted they can be traded at their rookie pay level, but that's not enough to be helpful with something like Bibby for Claxton, where the pay differences are huge. So from what I gather, it would have to be more like Bibby for: Claxton + draft pick + some other guys who soak up $5M-$10M in payroll.
Bigger problem: Atlanta's pick goes to Phx as part of the Joe Johnson deal. Don't think they're in the market for a PG 
But I could see teams like Milwaukee, Charlotte, and Minnesota willing to trade down somewhat if they got a veteran in the process.
Now if we could only ship Artest to the Bucks, Miller to the Bobcats, and Bibby to the TWolves and end up with the 3,4 and 9th picks along with our own!!!
But I could see teams like Milwaukee, Charlotte, and Minnesota willing to trade down somewhat if they got a veteran in the process.
Now if we could only ship Artest to the Bucks, Miller to the Bobcats, and Bibby to the TWolves and end up with the 3,4 and 9th picks along with our own!!!
Bigger problem: Atlanta's pick goes to Phx as part of the Joe Johnson deal. Don't think they're in the market for a PG
But I could see teams like Milwaukee, Charlotte, and Minnesota willing to trade down somewhat if they got a veteran in the process.
Now if we could only ship Artest to the Bucks, Miller to the Bobcats, and Bibby to the TWolves and end up with the 3,4 and 9th picks along with our own!!!
But I could see teams like Milwaukee, Charlotte, and Minnesota willing to trade down somewhat if they got a veteran in the process.
Now if we could only ship Artest to the Bucks, Miller to the Bobcats, and Bibby to the TWolves and end up with the 3,4 and 9th picks along with our own!!!
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Actually my main thoughts on that matter would be things along the lines of Miller/Salmons to the Suns (they wanted John) for Kurt Thomas and their pick or some such. But its a stretch. They have so much money guaranteed to their core over the enxt few years.
Similar in Chicago where Brad and/or Reef are logical pieces, as could be Salmons for rangy OG presence. Remember they have a couple of FAs that could be singed and traded to make the money work.
Also 3rd teams are possible, but less likely on draft day itself.
In any case, the principle is solid -- a young upcoming team is highly unliekly to trade its pick because exactly what they want is young talent. But a team trying to win over the next few years might vey well have more use for proven vets than a kid to develop.
Actually my main thoughts on that matter would be things along the lines of Miller/Salmons to the Suns (they wanted John) for Kurt Thomas and their pick or some such. But its a stretch. They have so much money guaranteed to their core over the enxt few years.
Similar in Chicago where Brad and/or Reef are logical pieces, as could be Salmons for rangy OG presence. Remember they have a couple of FAs that could be singed and traded to make the money work.
Also 3rd teams are possible, but less likely on draft day itself.
In any case, the principle is solid -- a young upcoming team is highly unliekly to trade its pick because exactly what they want is young talent. But a team trying to win over the next few years might vey well have more use for proven vets than a kid to develop.
After our great lin in Miami, we're in sole possession of 9th place in the lottery race.
12th in the Western Conference playoff race, and 2.5 games out of 8th, if anyone cares (we're 2 games behind the Clips, but trail nearly everyone in the tie-breaking metrics). The Clips are on target for a 38-win season, for us to win 39 at this point would mean going 11-5 from here on out.
But we're also only 3 games out of the #5 draft spot! FEAR US!!!
12th in the Western Conference playoff race, and 2.5 games out of 8th, if anyone cares (we're 2 games behind the Clips, but trail nearly everyone in the tie-breaking metrics). The Clips are on target for a 38-win season, for us to win 39 at this point would mean going 11-5 from here on out.
But we're also only 3 games out of the #5 draft spot! FEAR US!!!
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Bigger problem: Atlanta's pick goes to Phx as part of the Joe Johnson deal. Don't think they're in the market for a PG
But I could see teams like Milwaukee, Charlotte, and Minnesota willing to trade down somewhat if they got a veteran in the process.
Now if we could only ship Artest to the Bucks, Miller to the Bobcats, and Bibby to the TWolves and end up with the 3,4 and 9th picks along with our own!!!
But I could see teams like Milwaukee, Charlotte, and Minnesota willing to trade down somewhat if they got a veteran in the process.
Now if we could only ship Artest to the Bucks, Miller to the Bobcats, and Bibby to the TWolves and end up with the 3,4 and 9th picks along with our own!!!
I have no idea why Charlotte would want Miller though, and he's a bad contract anyway. He's not worth a 4th pick or even a 10th pick. We are stuck with Brad until he becomes an expiring contract.
I could see Artest to the bucks though, maybe. Same with Bibby to the twolves(but that only works if the twolves get a 9th pick or lower because the pick they sent to the clippers is top 10 protected).
Also could see the Clippers making a run at Bibby and/or Artest. Assuming MN gets 11th, they'll have like the 11th and 13-15th picks.
That Atlanta pick is top 3 protected...
I have no idea why Charlotte would want Miller though, and he's a bad contract anyway. He's not worth a 4th pick or even a 10th pick. We are stuck with Brad until he becomes an expiring contract.
I could see Artest to the bucks though, maybe. Same with Bibby to the twolves(but that only works if the twolves get a 9th pick or lower because the pick they sent to the clippers is top 10 protected).
Also could see the Clippers making a run at Bibby and/or Artest. Assuming MN gets 11th, they'll have like the 11th and 13-15th picks.
I have no idea why Charlotte would want Miller though, and he's a bad contract anyway. He's not worth a 4th pick or even a 10th pick. We are stuck with Brad until he becomes an expiring contract.
I could see Artest to the bucks though, maybe. Same with Bibby to the twolves(but that only works if the twolves get a 9th pick or lower because the pick they sent to the clippers is top 10 protected).
Also could see the Clippers making a run at Bibby and/or Artest. Assuming MN gets 11th, they'll have like the 11th and 13-15th picks.
I could really see the Clippers going after Bibby though. Even Bibby AND Artest. Because Brand and a lot of their other players are in their prime and even though the clippers suck at winning, it's time for them to win now IMO. After the Livingston injury they have no PG so I could really see them going after Bibby.
Ron/Mike for Cassel/Maggette/Rebraca/2 1sts works.
Ron/Mike for Cassel/Maggette/Rebraca/2 1sts works.
After our heartbreaking woss in Orlando, and NO/OKC's blowout lin over Washington, we are now tied for 9th/10th/11th, with the Knicks hot on our heels, half a game behind us in 12th.
Still 12th in the Western Conference playoff race.
Best of both worlds, eh?
Still 12th in the Western Conference playoff race.
Best of both worlds, eh?
We suck at everything, including sucking.