Looks like PDA is staying (split)

[Livinthedream]

No, then you will have crazy old George siding up with the Gerbil and undermining Vlade. Gotta squash the bug now.

Yes. In theory, keeping PDA in a reduced role is good for continuity in the organization. In reality, you just can't trust PDA at all. I don't know what weaselly thing he pulled to get Karl to go to bat for him, but it spells nothing but trouble for Vlade. I hope Vlade wasn't already manipulated, because it sure seems that way.

 

[Bricklayer]

Yes. In theory, keeping PDA in a reduced role is good for continuity in the organization. In reality, you just can't trust PDA at all. I don't know what weaselly thing he pulled to get Karl to go to bat for him, but it spells nothing but trouble for Vlade. I hope Vlade wasn't already manipulated, because it sure seems that way.

its not just that, consider Vlade's position while the vermin still sits in the front office:

Pete hired Bratz (fellow crony from Denver)
Pete hired Oliver (fellow crony from Denver)
Pete hired Karl ( fellow boss from Denver)

We have expelled the Golden State entity only to be riddled by Denver parasites instead, which are just as bad. And atop this group of old colleagues, all owing some allegiance to the man who reassembled them here, we drop Vlade and say now you're the boss. Only Karl's never answered to any boss. And PDA was the boss who hired them. Lucky for Vlade he picked up a little expereince in Serbian politics while he was away. He's going to need it. hope he hires a food tester.

 

[jdbraver]

its not just that, consider Vlade's position while the vermin still sits in the front office:

Pete hired Bratz (fellow crony from Denver)
Pete hired Oliver (fellow crony from Denver)
Pete hired Karl ( fellow boss from Denver)

We have expelled the Golden State entity only to be riddled by Denver parasites instead, which are just as bad. And atop this group of old colleagues, all owing some allegiance to the man who reassembled them here, we drop Vlade and say now you're the boss. Only Karl's never answered to any boss. And PDA was the boss who hired them. Lucky for Vlade he picked up a little expereince in Serbian politics while he was away. He's going to need it. hope he hires a food tester.

Nevermind that bratz,Oliver, and Karl are accomplished NBA folks with a lot of NBA experience. Perhaps Vivek should listen to them. Whereas Vlade not much NBA FO experience.

 

[chief bromden]

I know many here criticize Bill Simmons, but the Kings have officially entered his "Tyson Zone" where any story is plausible no matter how ludicrous it sounds. At this point, I'm surprised he hasn't hired an actual conductor for coach - or is Karl hiding those credentials? Did he bring Shaq into the foray because of his music career? Maybe next year he will institute a liquid-only diet for the entire team because it's "free flowing."

Personally, I hope they keep PDA and reassign him to be the arena MC.

 

[Letsgokings13]

Trade Cousins and I am done. Absolutely ****ing done if that happens.

 

[Jerichoholic]

its not just that, consider Vlade's position while the vermin still sits in the front office:

Pete hired Bratz (fellow crony from Denver)
Pete hired Oliver (fellow crony from Denver)
Pete hired Karl ( fellow boss from Denver)

We have expelled the Golden State entity only to be riddled by Denver parasites instead, which are just as bad. And atop this group of old colleagues, all owing some allegiance to the man who reassembled them here, we drop Vlade and say now you're the boss. Only Karl's never answered to any boss. And PDA was the boss who hired them. Lucky for Vlade he picked up a little expereince in Serbian politics while he was away. He's going to need it. hope he hires a food tester.

I really don't think this is as bad or as much of a conspiracy as many are making out, I know we are all a little skeptical because what has gone this year, but let's take a step back and look at a few assumptions.

#1 That Divac and D'Alessandro are on opposite sides: There has been no indication of this anywhere, no reports whatsoever. Actually on paper this looks like a brilliant pairing. Divac is here on the player front. Things like scouting, attracting free agents, and helping to build the team, essentially the general manager. You know what he isn't good at? Understanding the salary cap, writing contracts, and the business side of things. You know who is good at that? Pete D'Alessandro! It has always been his specialty, as in Denver, essentially the assistant general manager. What this looks like to me is instead of demoting anyone Ranadive has created a new position for Divac and that just pushed everyone else down one on the ladder, a different concept, but it could work.

#2 First we were becoming the Warriors because we hired all of their people and now we are becoming the Nuggets because we are hiring all of their people: Look I think one thing we can all agree on when it comes to business is that it's all about who you know. The goal is to hire the best people, but it is extremely common to hire people you know, people you are comfortable with and work well with, it happens all the time, including the in the NBA. Nobody complains when a head coach hires his assistants, in fact we encourage it. So why do we complain when a general manager hires his staff? We shouldn't. You can't hire people that you don't get along with, it doesn't work.

#3 That Divac and Karl are on opposite sides: There has been no indication of this either, in fact all the reports have pointed to the opposite. When Divac first came on board he went on that long road trip with the team and reports are that he had many conversations with Karl during that time and that they both have a similar idea of what they are looking to do. Just because D'Alessandro and Karl are from the same team in their last jobs and Divac wasn't with them then doesn't mean that they have different philosophies or can't come up with something together.

 

[Chubbs]

A little skeptical?

That's the understatement of the year. We've got another recipe for disaster here with the FO 'structure' which is being made up as they go.

PDA is out! Wait, no he isn't. He's the only guy in the organization with a calculator. Invaluable!

And I've said this before, and I'm saying it again, when Karl/PDA drive the dagger into Vlade's back, or trade Boogie, let's not act surprised again like after the Malone hatchet job.

 

[John Galt]

I really don't think this is as bad or as much of a conspiracy as many are making out, I know we are all a little skeptical because what has gone this year, but let's take a step back and look at a few assumptions.

#1 That Divac and D'Alessandro are on opposite sides: There has been no indication of this anywhere, no reports whatsoever. Actually on paper this looks like a brilliant pairing. Divac is here on the player front. Things like scouting, attracting free agents, and helping to build the team, essentially the general manager. You know what he isn't good at? Understanding the salary cap, writing contracts, and the business side of things. You know who is good at that? Pete D'Alessandro! It has always been his specialty, as in Denver, essentially the assistant general manager. What this looks like to me is instead of demoting anyone Ranadive has created a new position for Divac and that just pushed everyone else down one on the ladder, a different concept, but it could work.

#2 First we were becoming the Warriors because we hired all of their people and now we are becoming the Nuggets because we are hiring all of their people: Look I think one thing we can all agree on when it comes to business is that it's all about who you know. The goal is to hire the best people, but it is extremely common to hire people you know, people you are comfortable with and work well with, it happens all the time, including the in the NBA. Nobody complains when a head coach hires his assistants, in fact we encourage it. So why do we complain when a general manager hires his staff? We shouldn't. You can't hire people that you don't get along with, it doesn't work.

#3 That Divac and Karl are on opposite sides: There has been no indication of this either, in fact all the reports have pointed to the opposite. When Divac first came on board he went on that long road trip with the team and reports are that he had many conversations with Karl during that time and that they both have a similar idea of what they are looking to do. Just because D'Alessandro and Karl are from the same team in their last jobs and Divac wasn't with them then doesn't mean that they have different philosophies or can't come up with something together.

Aileen reported that Vlade got a cold shoulder from Pete (among others), and that Pete opposed and was dismayed at Vlade's hiring. We're not making stuff up COMPLETELY out of thin air. Maybe a large precentage of thin air, but not 100%.

 

[Spike]

Nevermind that bratz,Oliver, and Karl are accomplished NBA folks with a lot of NBA experience. Perhaps Vivek should listen to them. Whereas Vlade not much NBA FO experience.

I would listen to Vlade over anyone who was responsible in any way for what happened this year. He's as much earned that right as everyone else has lost it.

 

[whozit]

Aileen reported that Vlade got a cold shoulder from Pete (among others), and that Pete opposed and was dismayed at Vlade's hiring. We're not making stuff up COMPLETELY out of thin air. Maybe a large precentage of thin air, but not 100%.

What the reality of the CURRENT situation is, who knows. But putting that report in context of "yesterday," who wouldn't give a cold shoulder to the one that is probably putting you out to pasture. Would you encourage or oppose your company bringing in your "replacement" whose qualifications are as questionable as yours were when you were hired? I would love to say that I'm comfortable with the situation, but then I'd be lying.

 

[jdbraver]

I was really hoping Vivek would go on record at some point and explain what the structure and plan is going forward. Instead he leaves it to others to guess.

 

[Bricklayer]

Vlade needs to call PDA out and sort things out once and for all big man to little man:

 

[whozit]

I was really hoping Vivek would go on record at some point and explain what the structure and plan is going forward. Instead he leaves it to others to guess.

PR IS NOT his strong suit. Whatever his instincts are, he maybe ought to do just the opposite in this regard.

 

[Jerichoholic]

Aileen reported that Vlade got a cold shoulder from Pete (among others), and that Pete opposed and was dismayed at Vlade's hiring. We're not making stuff up COMPLETELY out of thin air. Maybe a large precentage of thin air, but not 100%.

That's true, I forgot about that one. I guess I'm hoping and expecting that D'Alessandro wouldn't be kept around unless they worked things out. Divac's hiring I'm sure was a major surprise to him and the first thought it he is on his way out, no one would probably act positively to the person hired to replace you that you weren't even expecting.

Regardless I still think D'Alessandro's and Divac's talents complement each other well, if they can get along. I just can't imagine Ranadive would allow another front office war after just having one, but I guess this is the test of whether he has learned any lessons or not.

 

[sdballer]

For all of the talk about PDA and his mastery of the salary cap, wasn't he in sg when they handed out stupid deals to at least Murphy, dunleavy plus Denver with Lawson, McGee?

 

[Spike]

I just can't imagine Ranadive would allow another front office war after just having one, but I guess this is the test of whether he has learned any lessons or not.

You know, sometimes you can apply a formula to arrive at a correct solution. However, there are those who struggle with formulas, and tend to use guess-and-check strategies. That is, they keep shuffling and reordering until they (eventually) arrive at a correct solution. These last few days (weeks?) make me question which approach is being applied.

 

[swisshh]

For all of the talk about PDA and his mastery of the salary cap, wasn't he in sg when they handed out stupid deals to at least Murphy, dunleavy plus Denver with Lawson, McGee?

The McGee contract was bad. Bigs tend to get overpaid though. Sometimes you get lucky and have Chandler/DJordan. Other times you get Dampier and McGee.

Don't have a big issue with the Ty Lawson contract. The rest of the contracts are yikes.

 

[Kingster]

Please please please get rid of PDA, Vlade. You can't keep him around. He would be the demoted guy sitting in the corner. That's untenable. He's already shown his backstabbing ways. You can't keep him around.

 

[Spike]

Please please please get rid of PDA, Vlade. You can't keep him around. He would be the demoted guy sitting in the corner. That's untenable. He's already shown his backstabbing ways. You can't keep him around.

The FO has shown nothing but dysfunction. To keep a piece that was arguably one of the biggest causes of the dysfunction, is, well, dysfunctional. In what world do you supplant someone's position, neuter his authority, and have it all work out better than it did before? PDA has to go, not only for what he did, but for the health of the organization moving forward. On some levels, it isn't even good for him to stick around.

 

[Kingster]

The FO has shown nothing but dysfunction. To keep a piece that was arguably one of the biggest causes of the dysfunction, is, well, dysfunctional. In what world do you supplant someone's position, neuter his authority, and have it all work out better than it did before? PDA has to go, not only for what he did, but for the health of the organization moving forward. On some levels, it isn't even good for him to stick around.

I agree. At this point we have to look at certain things to know if this organization is going the right way. One of them is PDA being removed. If your organization doesn't have the stones to do that I would have a very bad feeling about it going forward. Also, if the organization doesn't have a very credible personnel guy who has the ultimate decision making authority on the draft, trades, and FA, I just don't see how you can be positive going forward. With all due respect to Vlade, he has virtually no experience in that regard. They've got to bring in a great talent evaluator to have the final say in those decisions. It has been reported that Vlade wants to bring someone in equal or higher in the hierarchy to him. Hopefully, that will be an excellent personnel guy. People talk about a Cousins trade being the final straw. For me, the thing that will be the final straw is the continuation of a dysfunctional organization. You could trade this entire team to OKC or the Spurs for their GM and scouting staff and I'd be good to go because I know their brain trust would the Kings back in a relatively short time. But with this current cast of clowns, they could start with the talent of OKC or GS and they'd burn it down in a year or two.

 

[pshn80]

I was really hoping Vivek would go on record at some point and explain what the structure and plan is going forward. Instead he leaves it to others to guess.

I'm fine with that as long as the parties involved have an understanding of what the relationships are.

 

[Spike]

For me, the thing that will be the final straw is the continuation of a dysfunctional organization.

I think that's probably a more accurate statement for me as well. The problem isn't so much trading Cousins (well, yes, it is), as much as the reason it's happening is because the FO doesn't know what they're doing or how to improve the team.
We need to treat the cause, not the symptom. Unfortunately, absent a complete removal of the root cause, there can be no progress. It might not be fair, but the perception is one of incompetence, and it's going to take a lot of work to fix that. Let's see who Vlade brings in to help.

Finally, if Kingster and I are on the same side, then you know some serious crap is going down.

 

[gunks]

PR IS NOT his strong suit. Whatever his instincts are, he maybe ought to do just the opposite in this regard.

He'll probably show up at some presser, flash a shaka, and call it a day.

The problem has always been Vivek. And he's shown no sign of learning from his numerous mistakes.

Dude has gone from savior to public enemy number one. Quite the accomplishment.

PDA isn't great, nor is he horrible.... he's made both good and bad moves. Granted, he is a total slimeball, but hopefully the class act that is Vlade can keep that in check.

I can care less whether PDA stays or goes. The big (crappy) decisions are still being made by Vivek.

 

[rainmaker]

The FO has shown nothing but dysfunction. To keep a piece that was arguably one of the biggest causes of the dysfunction, is, well, dysfunctional. In what world do you supplant someone's position, neuter his authority, and have it all work out better than it did before? PDA has to go, not only for what he did, but for the health of the organization moving forward. On some levels, it isn't even good for him to stick around.

He doesn't just have to go, he should be shot out of a cannon into the pacific.

 

[Gilles]

Carmichael Dave @carmichaeldave
Since we are all talking Kings potential moves, I just wanted to make something clear. I have no clue.

Carmichael Dave @carmichaeldave
...this, the next week it's that. Last week Pete was gone. This week he's staying. Last week more FO things were coming. Now no.

 

[Spike]

So... no new FO members?

Well.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

if vivek trusts vlade, he should allow him to bring in his own staff. it's already awkward he hired coach before a GM again. what a buffoon.