Vivek needs to fraternize with fellow owners more, or at least take advice from Maloofs.
Looks like PDA is staying (split)
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Chubbs
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When Karl walks in a room, he's ego leads the way. That's why he was fired.
And losing in round 1 of the playoffs 9 of 10 years.
To the second point, yeah, he probably should have won more in the playoffs, but I wouldn't say that his recent Denver teams were built for a playoff series. They certainly overachieved in the regular season.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Of course, part of the reason they couldn't get anywhere in the playoffs is because George Karl helped run his star player out of town, leaving him with no go-to-guy in crunch time.
Well, because you don't need a star player to win games.
captain bill
All-Star
This suddenly makes the Vlade move and reorganization look pretty worrisome. Vivek likely wants to have two different "teams" within his front office fighting each other, for what reason, I cannot fathom. This is an ongoing pattern:
1. Team Malone (including Shareef) vs Team PDA-Mullin. PDA-Mullin wins, resulting in Malone being fired.
2. Team Mullin vs. Team Pete - Vivek wanted Mullin to coach right away; Mullin wanted to take over in the off-season; Pete wanted Karl right away. Mullin held his ground, apparently pissing off Vivek, who fired him and hired Karl.
3. (Now) Team Vlade vs. Team Pete. Both men wanted Karl, but Karl apparently has a better working relationship with Pete. Vlade (possibly) wanted Pete gone, but Karl stuck up for him. So in a week we go from "Pete is gone" to "New reorganization! Pete is here in a weird undefined position. Also Vlade may or may not want him gone." We are just setting the stage for another big blow-up in 6-12 months.
This has nothing to do with Malone, Pete, Vlade, Mullin, or Karl. This is 100% the result of Vivek Ranadive fostering a culture of in-fighting and bickering, with Vivek acting as the overseer who gets to pick and choose between fighting factions to make himself feel important.
Malone and Pete were doing okay together. If there was a serious personal beef between them, it is Vivek's job to *mend* those conflicts and make everyone play nice. It's natural if you throw a bunch of high-achieving Type A guys, each getting the biggest job of their young careers, to butt heads. The fact that Vivek not only encouraged fighting but rewarded it and now created more opportunities for conflicts is the biggest problem with this organization.
He is, without a doubt, one of the worst owners in the NBA.
1. Team Malone (including Shareef) vs Team PDA-Mullin. PDA-Mullin wins, resulting in Malone being fired.
2. Team Mullin vs. Team Pete - Vivek wanted Mullin to coach right away; Mullin wanted to take over in the off-season; Pete wanted Karl right away. Mullin held his ground, apparently pissing off Vivek, who fired him and hired Karl.
3. (Now) Team Vlade vs. Team Pete. Both men wanted Karl, but Karl apparently has a better working relationship with Pete. Vlade (possibly) wanted Pete gone, but Karl stuck up for him. So in a week we go from "Pete is gone" to "New reorganization! Pete is here in a weird undefined position. Also Vlade may or may not want him gone." We are just setting the stage for another big blow-up in 6-12 months.
This has nothing to do with Malone, Pete, Vlade, Mullin, or Karl. This is 100% the result of Vivek Ranadive fostering a culture of in-fighting and bickering, with Vivek acting as the overseer who gets to pick and choose between fighting factions to make himself feel important.
Malone and Pete were doing okay together. If there was a serious personal beef between them, it is Vivek's job to *mend* those conflicts and make everyone play nice. It's natural if you throw a bunch of high-achieving Type A guys, each getting the biggest job of their young careers, to butt heads. The fact that Vivek not only encouraged fighting but rewarded it and now created more opportunities for conflicts is the biggest problem with this organization.
He is, without a doubt, one of the worst owners in the NBA.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Except Mullin wasn't fired. Sure, it's convenient that a position opened up at his alma mater right when he seemed to be falling out of favor in Sacramento, but I don't think Vivek is exactly calling the shots at St Johns
LPKingsFan
All-Star
I know nothing about his ability to evaluate talent, but this is one area where I have 100% confidence in Vlade Divac.
rhythmless
Starter
Sterling's gone. He IS the worst owner in the NBA. Name someone who's done so much bad, in the same amount of time, in such a goofy and amateur fashion?
At least we can't say we were never the best at something.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Who doesn't have an ego in the NBA? Whether a guy has an ego or not is immaterial. I want excellence. If the price of excellence is ego I'll gladly take another spoonful.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
DeMarcus Cousins for Anthony Davis is only deal that should be remotely considered.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
don't need to be calling the shots to poison the well. he just needs to plant seeds in karls head and start factioning again. i cant believe vivek considering keeping him along w the previous staff. smh
Chubbs
Starter
If you think building perennial first round losers is excellence, then we have found the king of kings in that regard.
Please, give m a first round loser. Would be heaven for me, a Kings fan.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
which is exactly the route we all better hope doesn't happen here...running your star out of town for no apparent reason other than ego.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Be careful what you wish for. You don't want to root for a treadmill team do you?
ockingsfan
Starter
IF PDA stays, it would only be as the numbers guy, I think.
From all the news, Vlade is the decision maker now.
I am okay with PDA staying, so long as Vlade has the FINAL say in ALL personnel matters.
From all the news, Vlade is the decision maker now.
I am okay with PDA staying, so long as Vlade has the FINAL say in ALL personnel matters.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
if Karl thinks he is outsmarting everyone here by being "open" to trading a franchise big man....he is more naive than I thought. These aren't thoughts I want about our brand new head coach who has yet to coach for a full season...but all ready the things he says are irking me and leading me to believe each and every day that this team won't have number 15 for next season.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
There is absolutely nothing suggesting our FO is compartmentalized enough that PDA would just be the numbers guy going forward.
If anything, everyone appears to be trying to do everyone else's job. Chaotic is likely an understatement.
John Galt
Starter
No, then you will have crazy old George siding up with the Gerbil and undermining Vlade. Gotta squash the bug now.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The problem with Karl's ego is that it has clashed with everyone everywhere he's gone.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
He has incredible track record of winning. If that doesn't do it for you, nothing will.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
And yet despite his purported ego, he continues to win. I guess he's good at overcoming adversity.
Chubbs
Starter
Trade Boogie, then he'll see what adversity really is.
Uk kings fan
Bench
In a few years time someones autobiography will make good reading. We have the worst front office in the league no question
Kingster
Hall of Famer
This Boogie trade thing is over the top, based on weak innuendo at best. We've got a very good coach. We just need a very good GM. Without that, you can put an amalgam of Pat Reilly, Jackson, Sloan, Popovitch and Karl at coach and we get nowhere. The problem is that there is a void at the GM position. That void is going to be filled by one or more people in the organization who vie for influencing the decisions typically made by a strong GM, which is a terrible organizational structure and will produce terrible decisions. We need a strong GM. NOW. Vlade should know the Eastwood maxim: A man's got to know his limitations. Vlade can't be GM. Vlade has to do the research to find a great GM, hire him, and support him, for this organization to have any chance at success going forward.
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