KJ's press conference and other latest news, rumors, etc.

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Heard something interesting today from someone who is privvy to discussions. He confirmed Burkle is in, and that Downtown Plaza is indeed the favored location. But what surprised me was that there is interest in having the arena on the west end of the plaza instead of the east end near 7th. The reasoning is that they likely want to also develop a high-end hotel that links with or is very nearby the arena. Apparently this is more feasible if Macy's relocates east and the arena is built where Macy's and the movie theaters currently sit.

The other interesting thing he told me is that Webber is talking to all them and there is some interest in making him the face of the franchise similar to how the Pens made Lemieux the face of the franchise. He might even get the title of team President. This part seemed to be more speculative on my friend's part, though.

We'll see, I guess.
 
The reason that they have to wait to announce the "whales" is that they are still working things out. Most likely KJ and them found out some details about the actual deal and money the Ballmer group is putting up.

Ballmer is willing to overpay because the team worths more in Seattle but KJ is having a tough time to get the whales to match the overpay amount from Seattle. Remember, these guys are rich but they are businessmen and they are not going to overpay millions just to do Sacramento a favor.
They are working right now to see who they can bring in to pay the difference to get to the level where they can match the Seattle price. I hope I'm wrong.


I hope that when KJ makes his case, he points out very clearly to the BOGs that moving the team to Seattle kills the Kings franchise's history. I seriously rather the team move to Virginia Beach and become the VB Kings rather than the Seattle sonics.

KJ needs to stare Clay Bennett in the eye and point out to everyone that the only team that Seattle deserves is the Thunder or an expansion team. Clay Bennett the lying scum is the only reason why the Kings franchise history may end.
 
Heard something interesting today from someone who is privvy to discussions. He confirmed Burkle is in, and that Downtown Plaza is indeed the favored location. But what surprised me was that there is interest in having the arena on the west end of the plaza instead of the east end near 7th. The reasoning is that they likely want to also develop a high-end hotel that links with or is very nearby the arena. Apparently this is more feasible if Macy's relocates east and the arena is built where Macy's and the movie theaters currently sit.

The other interesting thing he told me is that Webber is talking to all them and there is some interest in making him the face of the franchise similar to how the Pens made Lemieux the face of the franchise. He might even get the title of team President. This part seemed to be more speculative on my friend's part, though.

We'll see, I guess.

All that seems very plausible. Also, the west end makes a lot more sense. It's close to old town it's also wider there where it goes all the way from J to L where the other end doesn't. The other end is already set up as more of a row of business heading out onto the other part of K street.
 
Well, everyone is surely entitled to their opinion, but I guess I'm just not ready to believe that that KJ is ready to announce a huge explosive deal that will knock Stern's socks off and no doubt keep the kings here....I've had my heart broken too many times in the past to just accept it because I hear it in the media.... Until they come out and actually announce this monster deal, I have every reason to be skeptical and not believe it, but if you believe otherwise, more power to you....


You're what I would call a "low information poster".

Media schmedia. It's KJ who said these things.

You have to believe something. You're already believing it's probably too late. Where you get this I have absolutely no idea.

To get stuff you have to take risks. Emotional risks. Take a risk and believe in KJ, believe in Mike. We all have a right to our beliefs; call me crazy but I find it personally offensive that you don't believe in those two guys.
 
I think KJ has certainly earned the benefit of the doubt with what we have seen from him these past two years.
 
If the guy wants to post on a board reasonable arguements why he feels a certain way. I'm fine with that. Doesn't mean he doesn't care as much as u do. Let the guy speak!!

Oh, he can speak, and does. But there were no reasonable arguements in his post, just rambling about feelings.

Panda posted arguements. Reasonable ones.

I'm just tired of so-called "fans" who just come here and post that the team is leaving. **** that. This team isn't leaving until they pry it from Sacramento's (KJ's!) cold, dead hands. I choose to be positive about the possible outcome and help someone who is putting forth effort to keep the team. I would think anyone who was an "8-year season ticket holder" and loved the team could do more to keep it in Sacramento than just lurk quietly and occasionally post about how they think the team is gone. With that attitude go to a Seattle Sonics board somewhere and celebrate what hasn't happened yet, and may not, over there. We don't need that crap here. We are too busy fighting to keep the team.
 
Think of it this way. This whole process could be the biggest blessing to this franchise (and CITY!) since the team rose to power a decade or so ago.

We get rid of the Maloofs as owners.
We get new, VERY welthy ownership committed to building a winning franchise.
We get a brand new arena downtown.
We create hundreds or thousands of new temporary and permanent jobs in Sacramento.
We revitalize the downtown area.
We get to have at least one All-Star game here in Sacramento.
We have more concerts and other events in town.
We change the image of Sacramento to the NBA, the country, and the world.

So, instead of whining about how we might lose the team, look at the potential positive outcome if we DON'T and work towards that! This is an opportunity, not a negative! You just have to see the upside now that the wheels are in motion and do whatever you can to tilt it in our favor.

And if we lose, we lose. But why dwell on that? Doing nothing guarantees that outcome. Helping KJ and local folks could bring about the things I have listed above. And these things are possibly there for the taking with everyone's help.
 
You know what? Nobody cares how you "feel" - "feeling" doesn't do **** to keep the team. If you want to sit there and wallow in misery because you listen to the media and believe that the team is gone despite some hope to the contrary, then you are part of the problem, or, at least, not part of the solution. What have YOU done to help keep the team here? That is the question to ask!

So quit posting about how you (in general terms, not "you" Gary) think the team is gone and how you will be "right" if they don't stay. Nobody cares, nobody who is working to save the team wants to hear it, and by sitting there whining about the possible move you aren't helping the situation at all. So get off your collective a**es and contribute in some way. Show up at City Council meetings. Donate to the cause if you live far away. Write letters to the paper, other team owners, or Stern.

And dammit, if nothing else, quit coming here to be a "debbie-downer" - complaining when people don't appreciate a defeated attitude and childlike whining.

As the saying goes - lead, follow, or get out of the way. KJ is being the ultimate leader right now. Mike (and others) are doing some leading. I am trying to follow closely as best I can. It sounds like right now we just need you to get out of the way, unless you choose to help.

The whole point ot my post is that I am going to remain cautious. I am not going to buy into anything and get excited (like most of the people here) until something is signed. Until then there is no reason for me to get excited over what I have read. I haven't been posting much since this whole thing started because I didn't want to bring people down, but I wanted to let Kingster know that he's not the only person that is a bit depressed over this.

That's my whole point. I will remain hopeful that everything will be OK but until I see the signed papers I am not going to get excited because being the emotional person that I am it would crush me if I were to get excited over nothing. As for being depressed that's because I am emotional and a "glass half empty" kind of person? I am not sure. I had alway sbeen like that.
 
The whole point ot my post is that I am going to remain cautious. I am not going to buy into anything and get excited (like most of the people here) until something is signed. Until then there is no reason for me to get excited over what I have read. I haven't been posting much since this whole thing started because I didn't want to bring people down, but I wanted to let Kingster know that he's not the only person that is a bit depressed over this.

That's my whole point. I will remain hopeful that everything will be OK but until I see the signed papers I am not going to get excited because being the emotional person that I am it would crush me if I were to get excited over nothing. As for being depressed that's because I am emotional and a "glass half empty" kind of person? I am not sure. I had alway sbeen like that.

What "signing" are you waiting for? The "whales" to sign on to Sacramento's plan? The NBA signing off on the Kings staying?
 
This has nothing to do with the community. I think what others like Mike have done for the community is awesome, but ultimately it still comes down to the buyers decision.... Geez, all I'm doing is stating my opinion and getting attacked only because I say I'm not as confident as some of you others, and I talk to many others every day that feel the same way..

That's fine if you don't, and if I end up being wrong, I'll gladly admit it, and admit that you guys were right, as long as you are also able to do the same and admit that I was right if they do end up going to Seattle....

Wow, way to go out on a limb there in a 50/50 bet, haha. This shouldn't be about people being more into the idea of being proven right, just be thankful the Kings fans have a mayor like Kevin Johnson in their corner.
 
The whole point ot my post is that I am going to remain cautious. I am not going to buy into anything and get excited (like most of the people here) until something is signed. Until then there is no reason for me to get excited over what I have read. I haven't been posting much since this whole thing started because I didn't want to bring people down, but I wanted to let Kingster know that he's not the only person that is a bit depressed over this.

That's my whole point. I will remain hopeful that everything will be OK but until I see the signed papers I am not going to get excited because being the emotional person that I am it would crush me if I were to get excited over nothing. As for being depressed that's because I am emotional and a "glass half empty" kind of person? I am not sure. I had alway sbeen like that.

Sometimes it takes putting yourself out there. When this is done, I'll know I've done everything I could to save the team. I can live with myself better no matter how this turns out.
 
The reason that they have to wait to announce the "whales" is that they are still working things out. Most likely KJ and them found out some details about the actual deal and money the Ballmer group is putting up.

Ballmer is willing to overpay because the team worths more in Seattle but KJ is having a tough time to get the whales to match the overpay amount from Seattle. Remember, these guys are rich but they are businessmen and they are not going to overpay millions just to do Sacramento a favor.
They are working right now to see who they can bring in to pay the difference to get to the level where they can match the Seattle price. I hope I'm wrong.


I hope that when KJ makes his case, he points out very clearly to the BOGs that moving the team to Seattle kills the Kings franchise's history. I seriously rather the team move to Virginia Beach and become the VB Kings rather than the Seattle sonics.

KJ needs to stare Clay Bennett in the eye and point out to everyone that the only team that Seattle deserves is the Thunder or an expansion team. Clay Bennett the lying scum is the only reason why the Kings franchise history may end.

I don't think the team is worth more in Seattle. If that was the case they wouldn't have moved to OKC.
 
Heard something interesting today from someone who is privvy to discussions. He confirmed Burkle is in, and that Downtown Plaza is indeed the favored location. But what surprised me was that there is interest in having the arena on the west end of the plaza instead of the east end near 7th. The reasoning is that they likely want to also develop a high-end hotel that links with or is very nearby the arena. Apparently this is more feasible if Macy's relocates east and the arena is built where Macy's and the movie theaters currently sit.

The other interesting thing he told me is that Webber is talking to all them and there is some interest in making him the face of the franchise similar to how the Pens made Lemieux the face of the franchise. He might even get the title of team President. This part seemed to be more speculative on my friend's part, though.

We'll see, I guess.

I've actually thought about that. It also preserves the 1,920 parking spots under the east end of the plaza. The problem is there is only 350 feet between the 6 story west end parking garage and the 5th street subway section. Most arena's require at least 425-450 feet on the narrow side. In order to fit the arena in that end, either the parking garage goes, or they close that section of street. It can be done, but it's going to require losing something the city will have to give up.
 
Heard something interesting today from someone who is privvy to discussions. He confirmed Burkle is in, and that Downtown Plaza is indeed the favored location. But what surprised me was that there is interest in having the arena on the west end of the plaza instead of the east end near 7th. The reasoning is that they likely want to also develop a high-end hotel that links with or is very nearby the arena. Apparently this is more feasible if Macy's relocates east and the arena is built where Macy's and the movie theaters currently sit.

The other interesting thing he told me is that Webber is talking to all them and there is some interest in making him the face of the franchise similar to how the Pens made Lemieux the face of the franchise. He might even get the title of team President. This part seemed to be more speculative on my friend's part, though.

We'll see, I guess.

Webber?!?!?

That would be fantastic!!!
 
What "signing" are you waiting for? The "whales" to sign on to Sacramento's plan? The NBA signing off on the Kings staying?

The NBA to sign papers that approve the sale to Burkle, and the 30 or so year contract for the Kings to stay in Sacramento.

Pretty much what everyone else is waiting for, but in the meantime my optimism isn't as high as others. It leaves me somewhat depressed.
 
The whole point ot my post is that I am going to remain cautious. I am not going to buy into anything and get excited (like most of the people here) until something is signed. Until then there is no reason for me to get excited over what I have read. I haven't been posting much since this whole thing started because I didn't want to bring people down, but I wanted to let Kingster know that he's not the only person that is a bit depressed over this.

That's my whole point. I will remain hopeful that everything will be OK but until I see the signed papers I am not going to get excited because being the emotional person that I am it would crush me if I were to get excited over nothing. As for being depressed that's because I am emotional and a "glass half empty" kind of person? I am not sure. I had alway sbeen like that.

I understand your position and it is a position to protect yourself from getting crushed in disappointment. I understand. Let's not be totally negative as without an awful lot of grassroots effort, the Maloofs' filing to move to Seattle would be OK'd and NBA basketball would be over in Sacramento.

It is the people who don't remain cautious and and bust their butts to keep the team here who will deserve a lot of our gratitude but not you. You are merely the recipient of the efforts of a lot of positive minded and energetic Sacramento fans.
 
Frankly, who gives a rat's *** if you are "right" and they move? Who gives a ****? AT THAT POINT WE WILL NOT HAVE A TEAM!

You apparently are so concerned with possibly BEING "right" you can't be overly concerned with DOING what is right. Help. Do what you can to help keep the team here. That is what the rest of us are trying to do. And if you can't do that then be quiet and stay out of the way of the rest of us that ARE trying.

Because, frankly, if you are "right" nobody will be here anymore to put you on your "pedestal" anyways. You can have your spotlight all to yourself. I don't know of anyone else who wants it except Seattle basketball fans - and those folks aren't hanging around here.

Dude, when did I ever say that I would be "happy" to be right? Quite the opposite.... All i'm saying is that, everyone seems to be pointing out how wrong I am and that the Kings are staying, so I think YOU are the one who's concerned about being "RIGHT", not me!.... I have a feeling the kings won't be able to get a deal together in time to keep them here, and you think they will, why can't you just leave it at that, instead of lashing out at how wrong I am about expressing my opinion??? ...I never ever said that I couln't be wrong, of course I could be....If I wouldn't have heard so many people saying how "wrong" I am, I wouldn't have even brought up the whole, "admit it if you end up being wrong" part of it. Quit acting like a jerk!
 
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You're what I would call a "low information poster".

Media schmedia. It's KJ who said these things.

You have to believe something. You're already believing it's probably too late. Where you get this I have absolutely no idea.

To get stuff you have to take risks. Emotional risks. Take a risk and believe in KJ, believe in Mike. We all have a right to our beliefs; call me crazy but I find it personally offensive that you don't believe in those two guys.

Because I don't like to have high expectations only to have the world come crashing down on me in misery and depression if I end up being wrong....
 
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I don't think the team is worth more in Seattle. If that was the case they wouldn't have moved to OKC.


Clay Bennett is from OKC and along with his group, they wanted to move the team there because its their home city and not for money. They didn't care about the money aspect of it as they just want a team in OKC just like Ballmer wants a team back in Seattle. I know you don't want to believe certain things just because you want to fight for the team but there is no point in arguing the obvious.
 
I can understand being a bit depressed, doubtful and cautious about the situation. I tend to be a pessimistic person. Feelings have nothing to do with right or around, they just are.

I guess the difference for me, as part of Crown Downtown, is that I am doing something I think might help produce the outcome that would make me happiest.

The fact is, I'll be crushed if the team leaves no matter what. So do nothing, have no hope and be crushed or do something, keep hoping and still be crushed. If that's what happens, the ending would be the same for me. So I decided I wasn't going down without doing everything I could to effect the future I'd rather have here in Sacramento. After all, there's a lot of other people out there working to achieve the same goal, wanting the same ending I do.

I have some hope, because of all of them. I've refused to be crushed by this until BoG votes. That's what I choose. There is no right or wrong about that. I'm just choosing to fight for the ending I want.
 
Nobody here thinks that it's 100% certain that we're going to keep the team. But, it looks like the negative people are the ones who feel they have no control over their situation, so they run and hide in a corner to protect their "feelings." Stop playing the victim card and go do something. Control what you can, like going to a city council meeting, donating to various events that come up. I had things I needed to do this weekend, but felt it was extremely important to go to the game Saturday night, so I bought tickets for me and the family. This is my way of taking responsibility for my part in trying to save this team, no matter how small it is. I don't feel like a victim. I feel like a fighter. If this team does end up leaving, I'll be able to hold my head high knowing I did what was within my means to stop it. That's all I ask of KJ as well.

The only thing that would make me depressed is watching this team leave and knowing I didn't even try to help stop it. This late in the game, I have no tolerance for anyone not willing to fight to the end.
 
Yes, ultimately the decision will be left to the owners in the league.

Part of what the BoG will review, as specifically pointed out by Stern this week, is support for the team in Sacramento. We can continue to show that their is major support from the fans here in this city. Also, KJ and the city council need to see that what they are doing to keep the Kings is important to a lot of people in the region. Not everybody supports what the city council is doing, so I'm going to make sure there are voices speaking up in support for the team and for the arena.

KJ, council members, the local business leaders putting up purchase money, the eventual whales, AEG and maybe JMA all need to see that they are pursuing the goal that is wanted by the people in this region. They have/are spending a ton of money and time to make this happen and we can at least show support for their efforts. Never underestimate the impact passionate people standing up to be heard.
 
Because I don't like to have high expectations only to have the world come crashing down on me in misery and depression if I end up being wrong....

Unsheath your sword and follow into battle, lest ye fear the consequence of victory!
 
Clay Bennett is from OKC and along with his group, they wanted to move the team there because its their home city and not for money. They didn't care about the money aspect of it as they just want a team in OKC just like Ballmer wants a team back in Seattle. I know you don't want to believe certain things just because you want to fight for the team but there is no point in arguing the obvious.

But if the NBA was that valuable in Seattle someone else local would have bought the team instead. Nobody cared enough to want them.
 
You know what? Nobody cares how you "feel" - "feeling" doesn't do **** to keep the team. If you want to sit there and wallow in misery because you listen to the media and believe that the team is gone despite some hope to the contrary, then you are part of the problem, or, at least, not part of the solution. What have YOU done to help keep the team here? That is the question to ask!

So quit posting about how you (in general terms, not "you" Gary) think the team is gone and how you will be "right" if they don't stay. Nobody cares, nobody who is working to save the team wants to hear it, and by sitting there whining about the possible move you aren't helping the situation at all. So get off your collective a**es and contribute in some way. Show up at City Council meetings. Donate to the cause if you live far away. Write letters to the paper, other team owners, or Stern.

And dammit, if nothing else, quit coming here to be a "debbie-downer" - complaining when people don't appreciate a defeated attitude and childlike whining.

As the saying goes - lead, follow, or get out of the way. KJ is being the ultimate leader right now. Mike (and others) are doing some leading. I am trying to follow closely as best I can. It sounds like right now we just need you to get out of the way, unless you choose to help.

Dylan Thomas once wrote:

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

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I thank you, Mike0476, kennadog, Capt. Factorial and all the others who are raging against the dying of the light. This battle is not over yet. The only way we lose now is if we stop fighting.

If people cannot understand that, I feel sorry for them. The sweetest victories come after the hardest-fought battles.
 
Thanks VF. We can lose the Kings whether we fight or not. I decided long ago that I shall fight to the death.
 
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KJ needs to stare Clay Bennett in the eye and point out to everyone that the only team that Seattle deserves is the Thunder or an expansion team. Clay Bennett the lying scum is the ONLY reason why the Kings franchise history may end.

That's going a little too far. Keep in mind what Bennett made clear from the day he bought the Sonics. We're giving it one year to get an arena deal done and then we'll keep out options open. I know that he may have lied about his intentions, making it sound like he wanted to stay when emails suggested that he wanted to move to OKC all along. But who in their right mind really believes that a businessman from OKC who practically begged George Shinn to sell the Hornets to him would all of a sudden turn his sights towards having a team anywhere but OKC just a year later?

It was up to Seattle to do what KJ is doing now but they did everything in the opposite manner and Stern has brought that up on many occasions. If they fight to keep the team and they do everything possible like what Mike and the rest of the crowndowntown people are doing, they probably don't lose the Sonics in the first place. Sonicsgate actually serves as a blueprint for what NOT to do if you want to keep the team. Props to them and Brian Robinson for representing the city and the Sonics in a grass roots form but they didn't have the backing from the politicians like we do here.

As for the Kings, it obviously goes well beyond Bennett. If we're going to go to the root of the problem in Seattle, blame it on the banks for not giving Ackerley the original loan back in '91. Blame it on the city for financing the Key arena remodel that led to the worst lease in the NBA. Blame it on I-91, Frank Chopp pissing off Stern at the meeting, the Governor, the mayor who sold out when it looked like they would win the court case and so on and so forth.

And then we have Sacramento. I would say that the Maloofs are a heckuva lot more to blame than Clay Bennett. And the previous mayor, city council people, the people who work at Cal Expo who refused to help out with the convergence plan and so on. It goes well beyond Clay Bennett.
 
But if the NBA was that valuable in Seattle someone else local would have bought the team instead. Nobody cared enough to want them.

The problem is that they were bound by a horrible lease before. That's why nobody stepped up to buy the team. They aren't bound by that lease anymore. They finally got past city politics and have an arena deal where they will have full control of revenue from all events.

That being said, I think a case can be made for the value of the team being higher here due to being the only sport in town. Plus, I'll piggy back on the first paragraph. If I'm Burkle or whatever whale steps up, I'd seriously consider putting more money into the arena plan if it means having control of the building. It's a bigger financial sacrifice in the short term but makes sense in the long run as it gets you your money back and some. The Maloofs couldn't do that because they are so broke. When you're as loaded as a whale, you front your own money and then get help from the city to bridge the gap.
 
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