Who's calling him a scrub/calling to throw him out? He's been playing like one though.
[Game] Kings vs. Warriors, 10/24/21, 6pm Pacific, 9pm Eastern
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Who's calling him a scrub/calling to throw him out? He's been playing like one though.
fansinceday1
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Fox is your best player? ouch.
Halliburton looks like more of a leader than Fox. But I don't watch a lot of kings games so I'm probably missing a lot.
SLAB
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My #HotTake has been that Hali would end up better than Fox. It’s super early obviously and I think he’ll come around, but he’s been pretty bad so far this season. Doesn’t at all look like the same guy from last year.
Tetsujin
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Fox was one of the top clutch scorers in the league last season and finished at the rim at a historic rate achieved only by big men and Lebron. Don’t let the Kangziness distract you from the fact the dude put up D-Rose MVP season numbers last season.
iowamcnabb
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Yeh it sucks when your best player only averaged 25 and 7 last year at the age of 23 and is forecasted by many around the league to make the all star team. Ouch indeed.
I really don't understand posts like these. If anything, you're making the point of why it's so frustrating that he's been poopoo this season. If there's one guy you should be relying on to give you consistent performances it should be said franchise player forecasted to make the all star team. If Fox gives us 25 and 7 with <2 TOs these last two games we'd probably have won.
If Ja or Trae played like this Tetsu would be all up in his snarkiness talking about how crap they were compared to Fox.
Tetsujin
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WHO THE HELL IS TRYING TO TRADE HIM?
SLAB
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All I see is Sactowndog saying that you COULD perhaps get Simmons for Fox (and in any case, it's not as if Sactowndog's opinion has anything to do with Fox's performance this season), and a self-admitted outsider saying that he along with Warriors fans wonder why we are trying to build around Fox.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
My post was aimed at the former fan who popped in just to troll us.
Fox had a bad game and is not off to a good start but his game has improved every year he has been in the league so I am not worried about him.
there is a lot to fix here but I’m also willing to be patient. Haliburton and Buddy are in new roles, Off night is trying to find balance in his game and pick his spots, Fox is trying to figure out when to takeover and when to get teammates involved. I just think we have to let things settle in. Didn’t help we have a really tough schedule to open the season.
First of all, thanks for putting them there for reference, genuinely appreciated. But if you read those posts and your conclusion is Kings fans are trying to trade Fox then we must have very different interpretations.
For the record: I clearly care a lot more when it's early in the season and I do my annual exercise of rooting for the Kings until they let me down for the nth consecutive year and then I go to not really caring and just watching out for players I like and joining SLAB in throwing shade at guys and rooting for random scrubs to put up 50.
The Effort Police
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Fox will probably erupt for a while sometime soon, same with Haliburton before they slump again for a handful of games. Barnes is going to cool off and Mitchell will likely slump eventually and his offense will look really bad at times.
It all evens out. And the Portland win basically allowed them to tread water and avoid an 0-4 start against tough teams. The real test will ironically come against the likes of the Pacers, and Pelicans and Pistons, and Thunder. We'll see if they lay an egg like they normally do.
As long as Bagley is out of my face, I'm good.
kb02
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Kings lost that game to a still in his prime star, an aging Draymond, Wiggins, and a bunch G-leaguers. Warriors were handsy and attacked Buddy on the perimeter and collapsed on Fox, when he drove, all night.
Fox had 7 turnovers by himself. The Warriors had 6 total turnovers for the entire game. Your team leader can’t be that stubborn. It’s almost as if he’s trying to test out his new muscles. Fox’s defense, overall, has ticked up a bit, but his shooting and passing remain subpar for a point guard. And he’s still a one speed player. Dude is trying to be the next Westbrook when he should be watching Chris Paul film.
This team is unbalanced. There’s not enough passing, not enough shooting, not enough size, not enough efficiency. My prediction, there will be a major trade. Maybe two. Think McNair washes his hands of the players from Vlade’s regime and think Fox, Buddy, and Bags won’t be on this team by the end of the year.
Fox had 7 turnovers by himself. The Warriors had 6 total turnovers for the entire game. Your team leader can’t be that stubborn. It’s almost as if he’s trying to test out his new muscles. Fox’s defense, overall, has ticked up a bit, but his shooting and passing remain subpar for a point guard. And he’s still a one speed player. Dude is trying to be the next Westbrook when he should be watching Chris Paul film.
This team is unbalanced. There’s not enough passing, not enough shooting, not enough size, not enough efficiency. My prediction, there will be a major trade. Maybe two. Think McNair washes his hands of the players from Vlade’s regime and think Fox, Buddy, and Bags won’t be on this team by the end of the year.
sactowndog
All-Star
this^. It’s not that I don’t like Fox. It’s that I don’t believe Fox and Mitchell are playable together. Their weaknesses are too closely aligned and take away their strengths. Fox and Mitchell so far together are a -6.7. It’s way to early to posit anything conclusively and we will just have to see.
kb02
All-Star
The player, who has sacrificed the most this season thus far is Haliburton. He's a connector. Gives up a lot of threes, because opponents are running at him, for mid range and passes. I'd rather Hali be the point guard, as I stated in my Fox for Simmons + a first thread, than Fox. Fox has the speed, but Hali has the vision, wiring, passing, and the three point shot. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't see a workable solution to the Fox, Hali, and Mitchell set up. Of the three, I would trade Fox--salary and play style.
Would be nice if Haliburton could defend. He's a revolving door on the perimeter. Just as bad as Buddy at staying in front of his man.
It's difficult to keep Mitchell off the court if you have to choose between the two at the end of the game. At least you know Mitchell's defense will always be there.
It's difficult to keep Mitchell off the court if you have to choose between the two at the end of the game. At least you know Mitchell's defense will always be there.
fansinceday1
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excuse me? Im not trolling. I simply made an observation. No snide comment. MY OPINION is you have a diamond in Halliburton who looks like a true leader in the making. Fox doesn't look like a leader to me. You consider that trolling? whatever........
Folsomkingsfan
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Dont add me in there. I never said I wanted to trade him.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
you are no longer a fan and came to the site for what purpose? To tell us that warriors fans at your local sports bar don’t care for Fox and think we should trade him and you agree? Sounds like trolling to me.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
Wasn’t necessarily saying you were just pointing to examples why the conversation was trending that way.
gunks
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Some overreaction with only 3 games on the books and a deadweight coach who’s offense has been complete garbage everywhere but that time he got to autopilot the historically good Warriors squad.
I would say the complaints on Fox’s tunnel vision, weak PG skills, and often suspect defense are valid, but I can’t help but wonder how many of these issues would be corrected with proper coaching, as opposed to whatever buddy buddy “leadership” and “teaching” our young star gets from Luke “I’m friends with Vlade” Walton.
I would say the complaints on Fox’s tunnel vision, weak PG skills, and often suspect defense are valid, but I can’t help but wonder how many of these issues would be corrected with proper coaching, as opposed to whatever buddy buddy “leadership” and “teaching” our young star gets from Luke “I’m friends with Vlade” Walton.
Yeah, been really happy with his growth as a creator on offense and he's a good "free-safety" playing passing lanes, but his on-ball defense has been atrocious and honestly looks like it's taken a step back from last year. Just another reason Davion has become so important to this team; can't have Hali on the elite guards without getting totally cooked at this point.
reptilexcq2
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The Kings might have put too much pressure on Fox to score by starting a NEW lineup featuring Haliburton instead of Buddy Hield. I think Hield take the burden off of Fox. Haliburton doesn't look to shoot at all or hesitant to shoot and always looking to drive and diss and that's a problem. But at the same time, if you start Buddy, the team's defense drop off significantly because Buddy don't play D at all. So obviously the Kings have a dilemma. They might need to tingle with the lineup further. Maybe starting Fox and Mitchell is better? This allow Mitchell to offset the other team's best player at the start of the game and allow Haliburton to be where he used to be....coming off the bench. Maybe he's a better player coming off the bench.
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