Kings roster for Training Camp

[kingsfan916]

Why did we get Daniels in the first place??????

 

[ParniValjak]

You forgot about Sampson -- he was given a guaranteed deal I think, so he's probably already #12. Rest of these guys might just be playing for NBDL contracts.

I thought it was Price that had the guaranteed contract

 

[VF21]

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7611

The influx of maybe-Kings that comes with every preseason could begin with point guard Luis Flores. He has been invited to training camp, beginning Oct. 4.

Flores, a second-year player who was waived by Denver last month, would be the 14th player under contract with the Kings, though his offered deal has no guaranteed money.

Flores will have to fight his way up to No. 13 to be around for the regular season, unless Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie changes his roster plans. Petrie, who could not be reached for comment, has said he wants to keep the roster at 13 players come opening day, while the training camp count can be as high as 20 by league rules.

Flores, who also couldn't be reached but told the Associated Press in August that Toronto and the Kings were interested, showed little last season, playing in just 16 games (15 with Golden State) and averaging 4.8 minutes. But he showed plenty in the Vegas Summer League in July, prompting Nuggets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe to say at the time, "He definitely helped himself," and apparently gaining Petrie's notice.

But the Nuggets are overloaded with point guards Andre Miller, Earl Watson and Earl Boykins, making Flores expendable. The Kings are no less stocked at the spot. Behind starter Mike Bibby, new additions Jason Hart (fifth season) and rookie Ronnie Price have contracts that extend beyond this season. Hart is set to make $1.54 million this season, with a player option for $1.68 million in 2006-07, while Price was signed at the league minimum for two seasons.

 

[Bricklayer]

I thought it was Price that had the guaranteed contract

I got the impression Sampson's was guaranteed as well -- in fact seemed more likely than Price's as he was a semi-established NBA player who signed fairly early in the free agent period. Why would he sign a non-guaranteed deal so soon? Price I thought would be the non-guaranteed as an undrafted nobody. Was moderately shocked we gave him a guaranteed deal. Why? How stiff could the competition have been?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

		Training Camp Roster Sept 24, 2005
33	Shareef Abdur-Rahim	PF	6-9, 245	California '90
10	Mike Bibby		PG	6-1, 190	Arizona '00
15	Eric Daniels		F	6-8, 214	Kentucky 04
33	Anwar	Ferguson	C	7-0, 205	Arkansas '05
8	Luis Flores		PG	6-2, 200	Manhattan
32	Francisco Garcia	SG	6-7, 195	Louisville 06
3	Jason Hart		PG	6-3, 185	Syracuse '00
45	Lonnie Jones		C	7-0, 228	Ball State '02
22	Dan Langhi		F	6-11, 220	Vanderbilt '00
23	Kevin Martin		SG	6-7, 185	Western Carolina 05
52	Brad Miller		C	7-0, 261	Purdue '98
20	Rickey	Paulding	SG	6-4, 210	Missouri '04
7	Ronnie	Price		PG	6-2, 190	Utah Valley State ‘05
31	Jamal Sampson	PF	6-11, 235	California '02
40	Eric Sandrin		F	6-8, 225	Seattle Pacific
54	Brian Skinner		C	6-9, 265	Baylor '98
16	Peja Stojakovic	SF	6-10, 229	Serbia
9	Kenny Thomas	PF	6-7, 245	New Mexico '99
42	Bonzi Wells		SG	6-5, 210	Ball State '98
34	Corliss	Williamson	SF	6-7, 245	Arkansas '96

Where did you come by this list, CruzDude? I ask because it is slightly... uhh... apocryphal... Shareef Abdur-Rahim left Cal. U. in 1990? What was he doing for the six years before he got drafted? Mike Bibby didn't leave Arizona until 2000? I suppose the horror stories about college athletes getting paid must be true, then, because Bibby was making a mint for his play on the court in 1999-00... Kevin Martin didn't graduate until this year? Francisco Garcia is still in school?

Probably just me picking nits, but I find it difficult to take a report seriously when it begins with so many obvious errors.

 

[kingsfan916]

lol good point

 

[VF21]

Mike Bibby didn't leave Arizona until 2000? I suppose the horror stories about college athletes getting paid must be true, then, because Bibby was making a mint for his play on the court in 1999-00...

Uh oh. I can see a grand jury investigation in Bibby's future...

 

[Kings113]

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/13617206p-14459061c.html

He found it there.

 

[VF21]

I don't think so, Kings113. Your link doesn't go to the chart. And - if you select "roster" - you don't get the same chart either.

 

[Kings113]

The apparent training camp roster for the Kings this year shown in the bottom of the Bee Article with my updates. Two 7 footers and 6-11 Dan Langhi are there. Interesting

Training Camp Roster Sept 24, 2005
33 Sharif Abdur-Rahim PF 6-9, 245 Cal '90 9
10 Mike Bibby PG 6-1, 190 Arizona '00
15 Eric Daniels F 6-8, 214 Kentucky 04
33 Anwar Ferguson C 7-0, 205 Arkansas '05
8 Luis Flores PG 6-2, 200 Mahattan
32 Francisco Garcia SG 6-7, 195 Lousiville 06
3 Jason Hart PG 6-3, 185 Syracuse '00
45 Lonnie Jones C 7-0, 228 Ball State '02
22 Dan Langhi F 6-11, 220 Vanderbilt, '00
23 Kevin Martin SG 6-7, 185 West.Carolina 05
52 Brad Miller C 7-0, 261 Purdue '98
20 Rickey Paulding SG 6-4, 210 Missoouri '04
7 Ronnie Price PG 6-2, 190 Utah Val St 05
31 Jamal Sampson PF 6-11, 235 California '02
40 Eric Sandrin F 6-8, 225 Seattle Pacific
54 Brian Skinner C 6-9, 265 Baylor '98
16 Peja Stojakovic SF 6-10, 229 Serbia
9 Kenny Thomas PF 6-7, 245 New Mexico '99
42 Bonzi Wells SG 6-5, 210 Ball State '98
34 Corliss Williamson SF 6-7, 245 Arkansas '96

I assumed he added the other stats as in his "updates". Maybe he typed it off the print version, I don't know, I don't get the paper or live in Sac.

 

[VF21]

Of course, we could do the obvious and let CruzDude answer the question, especially since it was directed to him in the first place.

 

[Kings113]

Well I wanted to reply to you as to why I thought he got it there is all.

 

[VF21]

I didn't ask the question. Mr. Slim did...

 

[Kings113]

I don't think so, Kings113. Your link doesn't go to the chart. And - if you select "roster" - you don't get the same chart either.

That, actually. I should of quoted originally.

 

[PacMan]

Where did you come by this list, CruzDude? I ask because it is slightly... uhh... apocryphal... Shareef Abdur-Rahim left Cal. U. in 1990? What was he doing for the six years before he got drafted? Mike Bibby didn't leave Arizona until 2000? I suppose the horror stories about college athletes getting paid must be true, then, because Bibby was making a mint for his play on the court in 1999-00... Kevin Martin didn't graduate until this year? Francisco Garcia is still in school?

Probably just me picking nits, but I find it difficult to take a report seriously when it begins with so many obvious errors.

Besides the mistake on Shareef Abdur Rahim; I think the list makes sense. The year that they list is the year that the athlete is suppose to graduate. Mike Bibby was suppose to graduate in 2000, he just left college early. Kevin Martin was suppose to graduate this year had he not left after his junior year.

 

[Kings113]

Yeah, Pac is right. Just off hand, Vince Carter (which was infamous because of it on the day of G7 of the 01 ECF) did, and Carmelo is due for next year.

 

[BibityBobtyBoom]

im just mad master p didn't make the roster! dang! jk

 

[ParniValjak]

I got the impression Sampson's was guaranteed as well -- in fact seemed more likely than Price's as he was a semi-established NBA player who signed fairly early in the free agent period. Why would he sign a non-guaranteed deal so soon? Price I thought would be the non-guaranteed as an undrafted nobody. Was moderately shocked we gave him a guaranteed deal. Why? How stiff could the competition have been?

Maybe they see something they really like in Price

I remember reading somewhere (I think it was SacBee when Price signing was announced) that Petrie tried to get a second round draft pick during the draft to pick up Price but couldn't work out a deal. When Price was overlooked, Petrie wasted no time getting in touch with him and offering him a contract. By the sounds of things it looks like GP really likes what he sees otherwise he wouldn't offer him a gauranteed deal that extends beyond this season.

 

[Kings113]

That is right, Carolija.

Ronnie Price 6'2"
Big small school scorer...good athlete + plays defense...6'2" scoring guard will have to transition to true PG in pros. Game may be Eddie Houselike more than A.I.-like -- quick, but lots of outisde shots rather than drives. Tied for second-highest vertical leap at draft combine wiht 39" vert, tied with Gerald Green and an inch better than Hakim Warrick.

 

[Bricklayer]

Maybe they see something they really like in Price

I remember reading somewhere (I think it was SacBee when Price signing was announced) that Petrie tried to get a second round draft pick during the draft to pick up Price but couldn't work out a deal. When Price was overlooked, Petrie wasted no time getting in touch with him and offering him a contract. By the sounds of things it looks like GP really likes what he sees otherwise he wouldn't offer him a gauranteed deal that extends beyond this season.

Okay, but as you recall from last year with Minard, you normally don't even give 2nd round picks guaranteed money, let alone undrafted FAs who haven't even set foot in camp.

Its done I guess (still a little fuzzy) and I hope Geoff's right -- think Price and Flores would seem to be moves trying to dig up a Bobby replacement. But odd maneuver you don't normally see.

 

[ParniValjak]

Okay, but as you recall from last year with Minard, you normally don't even give 2nd round picks guaranteed money, let alone undrafted FAs who haven't even set foot in camp.

Its done I guess (still a little fuzzy) and I hope Geoff's right -- think Price and Flores would seem to be moves trying to dig up a Bobby replacement. But odd maneuver you don't normally see.

Fair call.

Its unusual no doubt about it. Geoff must have a really high opinion of the kid to do what he did.

 

[CruzDude]

Where did you come by this list, CruzDude? I ask because it is slightly... uhh... apocryphal... Shareef Abdur-Rahim left Cal. U. in 1990? What was he doing for the six years before he got drafted? Mike Bibby didn't leave Arizona until 2000? I suppose the horror stories about college athletes getting paid must be true, then, because Bibby was making a mint for his play on the court in 1999-00... Kevin Martin didn't graduate until this year? Francisco Garcia is still in school?

The list came from a Bee article and I retyped it into a spreadsheet and copied it into the thread.

Probably just me picking nits, but I find it difficult to take a report seriously when it begins with so many obvious errors.

The year shown for each NBA player is the graduation year for that player had he stayed in school 4 years. Typo for SAR as he is in league 9 years and came in as a sophmore. So his first year would have been 1996 meaning his grad class was 1998. Bibby came out in 1998 after his sophmore year when Arizona won the NCAA title then after 3 years in VAN we got him in 2001. So 2000 is his graduation class year, which is listed for all NBA players. Kevin came out a year early in 2004 so his class would have been 2005.

And yes, this is a bit nit-picky for the intent of the thread.

 

[VF21]

According to hoopshype (there's a link in the NBA forum for a complete list of training camp players for all teams), here's the skinny on the ones reporting to the Kings:

Here's what the article has to say about the Sacramento hopefuls. (any typos are mine):



Erik Daniels - SF, 6'8", 1/01/82, Kentucky '04, 1 year. Played just 72 min. last season.

Anwar Ferguson - C, 7'0", 10/10/81, Houston '04, Rookie. Blocks shots. Averaged just 6 ppg in the WBA.

Luis Flores - PG, 6'2", 4/11/81, Manhattan '04, 1 year. Has to prove he can play the point in the NBA.

Lonnie Jones - C, 7'0", 11/08/79, Ball State '02, Rookie. Was in training camp with the Bucks last year.

Dan Langhi - SF, 6'11", Vanderbilt '0, 4 years. Big forward with a nice shot. This is his sixth NBA team in five years.

Rickey Paulding - SG, 6'4", 10/23/82, Missouri '04, Rookie. Impressive athlete. Played in Israel last season.

Ronnie Price - PG, 6'2", 6/21/83, Utah Valley State '05, Rookie. Will compete for a roster spot with Luis Flores.

Jamal Sampson - PF, 6'11", 5/15/83, California '05, 3 years. Disappointed with the Lakers and Bobcats. One last chance for him?

Eric Sandrin - SF, 6'8", 3/18/78, Seattle Pacific '02, Rookie. Has played with the Harlem Globetrotters.

 

[BigSong]

I say we go with Ronnie and Lonnie.

 

[Kings113]

Jamal and Ronnie do have guaranteed contracts right? Or is it where they'll be guaranteed if they're still here by November? Since they're listed on our roster, and from what I've read.. go with one of Lonnie/Anwar, and maybe one of Paulding/Flores/Daniels. Though the latter I think are stretches... I wouldn't mind one of them making it, and would be intrigued.

 

[SacTownKid]

Jamal and Ronnie do have guaranteed contracts right? Or is it where they'll be guaranteed if they're still here by November? Since they're listed on our roster, and from what I've read.. go with one of Lonnie/Anwar, and maybe one of Paulding/Flores/Daniels. Though the latter I think are stretches... I wouldn't mind one of them making it, and would be intrigued.

I don't know what the exact details of Ronnie and Jamals contracts are but I am pretty sure that if one or both don't impress in the pre-season they will be cut.

 

[VF21]

Jamal and Ronnie do have guaranteed contracts right? Or is it where they'll be guaranteed if they're still here by November? Since they're listed on our roster, and from what I've read.. go with one of Lonnie/Anwar, and maybe one of Paulding/Flores/Daniels. Though the latter I think are stretches... I wouldn't mind one of them making it, and would be intrigued.

Note: First, I'm only quoting you because yours was the last comment of this type to be posted...

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Instead of simply looking at the keystrokes on paper, why not actually wait and see how they do in training camp before we actually decide to keep them?

 

[Kings113]

Because we need depth and insurance at center (this also includes Stewart or Stepania, or someone else later in October after TC being brought in, as a (not too strong) possibility)? Which is a need. Also a want from me.

When I said this "Since they're listed on our roster, and from what I've read.." I was talking about Sampson and Price's contracts, because that's all I know, and most of us obviously know on that. So those two, aren't certain.

If you mean the guards and Daniels (not including Price here), I said that after about them because I like what I have read on them (and from what I saw of Daniels in VSL, but moreso the info). That's it.

 

[VF21]

Because we need depth and insurance at center (this also includes Stewart or Stepania, or someone else later in October after TC being brought in, as a (not too strong) possibility)? Which is a need. Also a want from me.

When I said this "Since they're listed on our roster, and from what I've read.." I was talking about Sampson and Price's contracts, because that's all I know, and most of us obviously know on that. So those two, aren't certain.

If you mean the guards and Daniels (not including Price here), I said that after about them because I like what I have read on them (and from what I saw of Daniels in VSL, but moreso the info). That's it.

I'm not arguing the point that we need another big. At this point, however, I'm just amazed that someone can decide who they think is best for the Kings BEFORE they even step onto the court in training camp. I guess I'm just old-fashioned. I don't buy a car without test driving it. I'd hope our GM is the same about players for an elite basketball team - even if they are going to be wearing gold lamé.

 

[Kings113]

Nah, that's not really what I'm saying or what my intent is.

I want them evaluated in some way as well. Not like I really need to say that either way because they will/would be somehow by the organization anyways . Sampson/Jones/Ferguson/Stepania/Stewart are the kind of extra big we need (realistically) and can get. I like them, and are convincing from what I've seen and have learned. That's why I post about them the way I do.

*shrugs*