[Game] Kings @ Milwaukee Bucks, 1/14/2024, 4:00 PST/7:00p EST

[iowamcnabb]

This is the issue when you push someone like Keegan up and over Barnes in terms of role and attempts because Keegan simply doesn't get to the line very often. He's still under 2 per game despite seeing both his minutes and attempts climb. Now of course, thankfully they are giving Keegan more of a role since he's the long term piece but in the interim it's pushing the Kings from 5th in FTA per game last season to around 21st this season. Keegan has potential to get to the line but he's still basically a player in catch and shoot for the most part.

I’d agree except for the last line. He has doubled his shots per game inside the arc from last year and has already surpassed his midrange makes from last season less than half way into this one. Having said that, getting to the line is going to be the toughest skill to add to his bag because it requires consistent aggression. He’s strong enough and long enough to do it but I hace set my expectations low on that front. 2 trips a game would be incredible for him moving forward.

 

[iowamcnabb]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1747012482999452105

Kerr liked the Brown presser

 

[HndsmCelt]

Interesting 2-minute Report. Lillard seems to have traveled on the last shot. Hmmm
https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022300552

 

[iowamcnabb]

He had a double dribble on that trap earlier too

 

[SacTownKid]

I’d agree except for the last line. He has doubled his shots per game inside the arc from last year and has already surpassed his midrange makes from last season less than half way into this one. Having said that, getting to the line is going to be the toughest skill to add to his bag because it requires consistent aggression. He’s strong enough and long enough to do it but I hace set my expectations low on that front. 2 trips a game would be incredible for him moving forward.

Yeah, but there are still areas where he is quite minimal and not very efficient right outside the painted area.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/keegan-murray-shot-chart

That will get better in time I'm sure. The other thing that it takes to get to the line is ball handling. We still have to see what happens when he gets doubled and is the focus of a defense. He still tends to stop and pass out when pressed. Also, Keegan still hasn't registered on the iso charts yet. There's been a transition going on for sure but it's been gradual.

 

[SacTownKid]

Interesting 2-minute Report. Lillard seems to have traveled on the last shot. Hmmm
https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022300552

So that ridiculous fading to the left shot was created by a ridiculous traveling while fading to the left. Shocker. At least one good thing about getting blown out or blowing out teams is we haven't had to see too many of these reports this year.

 

[Caccia]

He had a double dribble on that trap earlier too

The league review found no errors on the part of the officials ("IC") over the last seven minutes of the game. Surprising.

 

[iowamcnabb]

The league review found no errors on the part of the officials ("IC") over the last seven minutes of the game. Surprising.

I don’t remember when that three Fox took was but he was for sure fouled there. Maybe it was earlier

 

[HndsmCelt]

The league review found no errors on the part of the officials ("IC") over the last seven minutes of the game. Surprising.

Not exactly, the league found that there were no errors in the calls it's the no calls that seem to be the problem.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Yeah, but there are still areas where he is quite minimal and not very efficient right outside the painted area.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/keegan-murray-shot-chart

That will get better in time I'm sure. The other thing that it takes to get to the line is ball handling. We still have to see what happens when he gets doubled and is the focus of a defense. He still tends to stop and pass out when pressed. Also, Keegan still hasn't registered on the iso charts yet. There's been a transition going on for sure but it's been gradual.

analytically that’s probably about the way the kings want his shot chart to look.

 

[ick300]

Interesting 2-minute Report. Lillard seems to have traveled on the last shot. Hmmm
https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022300552

Travelling is like the acceptable evil in the nba mate … if they start to whistle all the travels there will be hardly and attack …
It’s hurting though when it leads to such an end ….

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Interesting 2-minute Report. Lillard seems to have traveled on the last shot. Hmmm
https://official.nba.com/l2m/L2MReport.html?gameId=0022300552

The report says that it was a "correct no call" - that is, that Lillard didn't travel, he took two legal steps.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I don’t remember when that three Fox took was but he was for sure fouled there. Maybe it was earlier

It was during overtime, so it should have been in the report. It went completely unaddressed. At this point, the L2M reports appear to be a whitewash.

 

[HndsmCelt]

The report says that it was a "correct no call" - that is, that Lillard didn't travel, he took two legal steps.

I must have misread it.

 

[Caccia]

Maybe having everyone run the floor and back whenever a player missed a free throw in pre-season was not the best idea. It might have created negative, subconscious associations. The Kings are dead last the FT% in the NBA.

I am not a coach, though. Is this a normal practice routine?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Maybe having everyone run the floor and back whenever a player missed a free throw in pre-season was not the best idea. It might have created negative, subconscious associations. The Kings are dead last the FT% in the NBA.

I am not a coach, though. Is this a normal practice routine?

It's old fashioned. Doesn't make sense, because part of your conditioning (running) should not be determined by making or missing free throws.

 

[GWD]

Maybe having everyone run the floor and back whenever a player missed a free throw in pre-season was not the best idea. It might have created negative, subconscious associations. The Kings are dead last the FT% in the NBA.

Certainly a possibility. Punishment and pain are well-known short-term motivational devices. However, they also cause psychological issues as you suggest. It results in a PTSD-type of long-term reaction. Educational institutions have long recognized this teaching technique as faulty in the classroom and the implication is that it has universal application.

A reward technique suitable to basketball would seem to be far more effective way to modify behavior. As of now, the Kings players appear to regret and perhaps even internally fear shooting free throws. (Except Monk, in general, for reasons stated in prior post.)

 

[The_Jamal]

That's an incredibly common way to end practice at literally every level of basketball. Every teammate steps, up, if they drill it, don't run, if they miss, everyone runs.

But yeah, Mike Brown causing "PTSD-type long-term reaction" because he made his team run. lol

 

[Caccia]

That's an incredibly common way to end practice at literally every level of basketball. Every teammate steps up, if they drill it, don't run, if they miss, everyone runs.

Laugh if you want, but JaVale McGee looked like he was going to expire during those end of practice workouts. Old school is not necessarily "best practice."

Since you say it is "incredibly common," here is a description:

<One way to simulate game-like pressure during your free throw practice is by attaching consequences to missed shots.

For every missed free throw, impose a physical consequence such as performing 10 pushups or completing a series of sprints. This not only adds a sense of accountability but also replicates the pressure and intensity you would experience in a real game situation.

The fear of facing consequences for missed shots forces you to focus, concentrate, and treat each free throw attempt with the utmost importance.>

I still have doubts.

https://www.swishhoop.com/blogs/blo... simulate game,completing a series of sprints.

 

[Kingster]

This is the issue when you push someone like Keegan up and over Barnes in terms of role and attempts because Keegan simply doesn't get to the line very often. He's still under 2 per game despite seeing both his minutes and attempts climb. Now of course, thankfully they are giving Keegan more of a role since he's the long term piece but in the interim it's pushing the Kings from 5th in FTA per game last season to around 21st this season. Keegan has potential to get to the line but he's still basically a player in catch and shoot for the most part.

Keegan has had nine FTAs over his last five games played. Barnes has had five. It's a small sample, but I'd rather ride the Keegan train with an upward growth trajectory than Barnes on the downward slide. Murray has increased his average FTAs per game to 1.7 this year vs 1.0 last year. Barnes has fallen from 5.0 FTAs last year vs 2.2 this year. Even if you look at the season average, it's only 0.5 difference (2.2 vs 1.7) in FTAs so it's not worth a lot, imo.

 

[The_Jamal]

Laugh if you want, but JaVale McGee looked like he was going to expire during those end of practice workouts. Old school is not necessarily "best practice."

Since you say it is "incredibly common," here is a description:

<One way to simulate game-like pressure during your free throw practice is by attaching consequences to missed shots.

For every missed free throw, impose a physical consequence such as performing 10 pushups or completing a series of sprints. This not only adds a sense of accountability but also replicates the pressure and intensity you would experience in a real game situation.

The fear of facing consequences for missed shots forces you to focus, concentrate, and treat each free throw attempt with the utmost importance.>

I still have doubts.

https://www.swishhoop.com/blogs/blog/do-these-3-things-to-make-more-free-throws#:~:text=One way to simulate game,completing a series of sprints.

So now Brown is endangering his players to the point of exhaustion? His practices and making his players run if they miss a FT is so damaging and hard that the 0.001% of conditioned humans in the world can't handle it?

Some of you just need to come out and say you don't like Brown. All these mental gymnastics are exhausting.

 

[PacMan]

So now Brown is endangering his players to the point of exhaustion? His practices and making his players run if they miss a FT is so damaging and hard that the 0.001% of conditioned humans in the world can't handle it?

Some of you just need to come out and say you don't like Brown. All these mental gymnastics are exhausting.

If Javale looks that bad at the end of practice, perhaps it’s an idication that maybe he’s not much left of an NBA player at this point in his career

 

[GWD]

So now Brown is endangering his players to the point of exhaustion? His practices and making his players run if they miss a FT is so damaging and hard that the 0.001% of conditioned humans in the world can't handle it?

Some of you just need to come out and say you don't like Brown. All these mental gymnastics are exhausting.

You have it wrong. Brown is personally fine. He seems upstanding, pleasant, and responsible. What is at question here is his training philosophy and techniques and how those factors affect the players' performance. There are reasons for the underperformance, in certain areas, of gifted and talented athletes like are on the King's roster. Exploring to discover those reasons would seem to be a function of a website such as this.

Simply don't engage in the "mental gymnastics" if you find them too challenging.

 

[SacTownKid]

Keegan has had nine FTAs over his last five games played. Barnes has had five. It's a small sample, but I'd rather ride the Keegan train with an upward growth trajectory than Barnes on the downward slide. Murray has increased his average FTAs per game to 1.7 this year vs 1.0 last year. Barnes has fallen from 5.0 FTAs last year vs 2.2 this year. Even if you look at the season average, it's only 0.5 difference (2.2 vs 1.7) in FTAs so it's not worth a lot, imo.

But Barnes dropping has everything to do with his role. He's being more of a spot shooter. Barnes has been consistent about getting to the line his whole career when being a focus there.

 

[mrlaze]

Adult professional NBA players scared to shoot free throws becuase they might have to run.

Interesting take.

 

[GWD]

Adult professional NBA players scared to shoot free throws becuase they might have to run.

Interesting take.

Missed the point. It is the negativity rather than the specific sanction. A simple Pavlovian reaction if you prefer.