Iced Espresso
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I'll take 3 for 10 over McLemore's goose egg any day.
[Game] Game 1: Sacramento Kings v. Golden State Warriors, 10/29/14 7:00 PM PST, 10 PM EST
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I'll take 3 for 10 over McLemore's goose egg any day.
D-Will could've done the same thing Rudy did. It's not like D-Will would've let Iggy or Green drop 40pts. If your player plays poor, I want to see them benched or at least scold at. Rudy contributed very little today. He did more harm than good.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Here's the thing, I liked the defensive effort out of our team tonight. Up until the fourth quarter, the interior defense held nicely and Ben and Darren did an adequate job making their two best players work.
Now offensively, there's work to be done (primarily when it comes to attacking a zone) and we definitely need to work on getting Demarcus the ball in better spots where he can actually something and cutters aren't all running right at him, dragging their defenders into a natural double/triple team. Additionally, we need to work on getting Rudy back into the areas where he can be successful as opposed to just tossing him the ball at the three-point line and hoping it works.
Not exactly a good debut but I don't think it's quite the Doomsday scenario a lot of you seem to think it is.
Now offensively, there's work to be done (primarily when it comes to attacking a zone) and we definitely need to work on getting Demarcus the ball in better spots where he can actually something and cutters aren't all running right at him, dragging their defenders into a natural double/triple team. Additionally, we need to work on getting Rudy back into the areas where he can be successful as opposed to just tossing him the ball at the three-point line and hoping it works.
Not exactly a good debut but I don't think it's quite the Doomsday scenario a lot of you seem to think it is.
miltonap
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this is what happens when you have a group of low bball iq players. No doubt about it. Our players are dumb, and we aren't going to win like that. Players don't know how to react on offense or on defense.
Looking at this team, these are the only decent-good bball iq players we have:
Stauskas
Collison
Casspi
Landry
That's it. That's sad. No matter what, we can't win if we only have four decent iq players. Not saying the rest of the players don't have talent, but it's greatly mitigated by the fact that they don't make smart decisions. I think you can include Cousins in this group.
It's good that Collison is in the starting lineup, but look at the other 4 starters. Can't win like that.
If you stress team defense and motion offense, you absolutely NEED smart players if you aren't that athletic. Team defense relies on players communicating and knowing how to react. Same with motion offense. We will never win like this.
Solution: We need a new GM and brain trust. We've sucked for years because we have a bunch of idiots on our squad. It's painful to watch. We need high IQ players, players that understand the game. Ship everyone out that doesn't get it
Looking at this team, these are the only decent-good bball iq players we have:
Stauskas
Collison
Casspi
Landry
That's it. That's sad. No matter what, we can't win if we only have four decent iq players. Not saying the rest of the players don't have talent, but it's greatly mitigated by the fact that they don't make smart decisions. I think you can include Cousins in this group.
It's good that Collison is in the starting lineup, but look at the other 4 starters. Can't win like that.
If you stress team defense and motion offense, you absolutely NEED smart players if you aren't that athletic. Team defense relies on players communicating and knowing how to react. Same with motion offense. We will never win like this.
Solution: We need a new GM and brain trust. We've sucked for years because we have a bunch of idiots on our squad. It's painful to watch. We need high IQ players, players that understand the game. Ship everyone out that doesn't get it
I'm probably one of the biggest Nik supporters, but I'd rather take McLemore. McLemore played great D today against Klay. Stauskas was dreadful. I wouldn't mind to see Stauskas receive limited minutes this year. He was getting absolutely torched. Against a deadly shooter like Klay, you HAVE to have Ben on him.
Indeed. I know a lot of people seem to think that we'd be better off playing Casspi instead of Gay, but they're really wrong.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Yeah, who the hell cares if you're hustling on defense, if you miss five shots? It's much better to let your man run roughshod over you, while missing seven.
TheBadGuy
Bench
Well Stauskas isn't known for his defense even in college and Ben was always torched last season.
SacKings384
Starter
What I was worried about with Stauskus was D and it sure showed tonight. He got bullied time and time again. I think the last play it was Iggy (?) that drove right by him. As soon as it happened they brought Ben back in and you could see the look on Stauskus's face. He knew he didn't belong in there at that point. He turned immediately to the bench before the buzzer even sounded for a sub. He knew he was coming off.
He can still add some bulk and quickness like Reddick did to make himself a viable player in this league.But defensively he's going to be a liability this year. He'll have some games but the question is going to be how long they can leave him in because if he's getting burned all the time it's going to put DMC in foul trouble.
He can still add some bulk and quickness like Reddick did to make himself a viable player in this league.But defensively he's going to be a liability this year. He'll have some games but the question is going to be how long they can leave him in because if he's getting burned all the time it's going to put DMC in foul trouble.
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How so? What did Gay do for us today? He shot 5-15 8rebs 2tos 14pts. He was the ball stopper on offense. I bet if we let D-Will shoot 15 times, he'd make at least 5 too. I'm sick of Gay's iso plays. Malone needs to do something about them, unless he's the one who's encouraging it.
Iced Espresso
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I'm sorry, not being able to score a single point?
They were both garbage like most of the team.
I'm more annoyed with Sessions and Malone however.
Yea, but against someone like Klay, you have to put your best SG defender on him. Anytime Nik was on him, Klay attacked him. Ben did a great job containing and denying access to Klay.
randymoss1881
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Go check how many fire Casey threads raptors fans had. Gay leaves and those threads dissapear they also said same thing as you so did Casey turn into a better coach or is Gay the problem? Some of us saw this coming watching fiba others were blind he did this in fiba, Memphis, and Toronto Malone isn't the problem.
And the people blaming him for sessions issues are just sad did you not see him bench sessions.
I'm with you there. The whole team played liked poopoo, but Sessions and Malone are the ones that killed us today.
That is the opposite of a refutation. It doesn't mean that we'd have been better off.
Iced Espresso
Starter
List of annoyances, no particular order.
1. McLemore our starting SG can't score a single point
2. Sessions was garbage, terrible decisions there when we were hurting
3. Seeing Williams come in before Casspi
4. Down 10 and Nik gets fouled from 3, ref swallows whistle, could have been down just 7 a whole new game
5. Rudy Gay hero ball 2.0, especially that shot with Nik hot and setup right next to him
1. McLemore our starting SG can't score a single point
2. Sessions was garbage, terrible decisions there when we were hurting
3. Seeing Williams come in before Casspi
4. Down 10 and Nik gets fouled from 3, ref swallows whistle, could have been down just 7 a whole new game
5. Rudy Gay hero ball 2.0, especially that shot with Nik hot and setup right next to him
miltonap
Starter
Not at all. Demarcus is very talented. He is an exception. He is maybe a tad below average.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Ah, so you're one of those people. Got it.
Henkel
Starter
We don't have many perimeter options beside Gay at the moment. Which is too bad because throughout Gay's career he's struggled when forced into a predominate offensive role. Grantland had a interesting piece all about this.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-rudy-gay-principle/
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-rudy-gay-principle/
Iced Espresso
Starter
jcwkings
All-Star
How are you defending Ben?, while he isnt a terrible player, under no circumstances should he be an NBA starter. Should be a 14 min a night bench player at most. This is on PDA and his terrible roster building skills.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I'm not defending Ben but it's not like Nik has been awesome or anything. Shoddy defensive work and his offensive numbers weren't exactly good enough to compensate.
jcwkings
All-Star
Nik is just the alternative, neither should be anywhere near starting. Ben should have been gone once Nik was drafted. We should have a vet and have Nik back him up. PDA failed, 2 lost puppies as your only options at SG.
Or maybe, we never should have drafted Stauskas in the first place; maybe we should have a vet starting, and McLemore should be backing him up.
We had no monies. Fournier and a 2nd rounder is basically no monies for Afflalo's deal. Perhaps Orlando didn't want a D-Will expiring
lawlman91
Starter
Tonight's recap:
- First half, we played defense that limited the Warriors' top two shooters
- First half, Nik was on fire
- Second half, the team turns the ball over a lot & misses a lot of shots at the same time
- Morale weakened; as a consequence, our defense became lazy
- Warriors began to shoot very well
- Morale weakened; as a consequence, our defense became lazier
- etc.
- First half, we played defense that limited the Warriors' top two shooters
- First half, Nik was on fire
- Second half, the team turns the ball over a lot & misses a lot of shots at the same time
- Morale weakened; as a consequence, our defense became lazy
- Warriors began to shoot very well
- Morale weakened; as a consequence, our defense became lazier
- etc.
randymoss1881
Starter
Why wouldn't they want an expiring and that expiring is a young talent. We didn't even here rumors of our involvement AA would have been perfect PDA probably didn't want him cause he plays defense.
