Kings free agency, part 3

[dude12]

I've come to the conclusion a long time ago that many of the national writers are just lemmings. Occasionally, I'll see a good article on something but in reality, when it comes to the Kings, I don't give a crap about what they write. I've watched this team for decades on a daily basis. I don't need to read their opinions on this team since most of their opinions are just off the cuff TMZ / National Enquirier worthy. There is no in-depth reporting going on here.

As someone just pointed out, in regards to Stauskas.....we are criticized for drafting him and now we are criticized for trading him when it's fairly apparent he's not going to be very good for a while if ever. So what the hell is it? Lemmings. I'm not impressed with many of these writers....it's just opinions and in many cases, it's writing crap to appeases "sources". Not worth the read most of the time.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

"Sacramento outbid precisely no one to overpay Rondo on a one-year deal; by the time he accepted Sacramento’s handout, there were no teams left with cap room and interest in Rondo. Rondo is betting on himself, and if he wins, Sacramento might end up a pit stop for him."- how is that wrong? was there anyone left on the market that wanted him with cap space? did anyone wanted him period?

It's wrong because 10m was the price to get him to Sacramento. Maybe he'd play for 5 for another team. That doesn't matter, we needed him more than he needed us. We signed Rondo and you stopped hearing Boogie this, Karl that, everyone is doing a happy dance. So now the narrative is that we overpaid. Big whoop. It's a one year contract. Oh hey, we should have locked him up for 5 years at half the price. Nice narrative. It's BS.

"Omri Casspi is a bargain on a two-year, $6 million deal, but the Kings had the means to sign him at that amount before Philly robbed them blind."- again how is that wrong?

If this amounts to what most of us think it is going to amount to, and that is a single draft pick changing hands, Philly has not robbed us blind. If somehow we win the lottery in the next two seasons, and we didn't include a protection for that event, hard to believe, but possible, then yeah, they robbed us blind. But I'm just going to assume the only reason we won the lottery is because we traded the pick because this team is NEVER that lucky.

 

[Amit149]

It's wrong because 10m was the price to get him to Sacramento. Maybe he'd play for 5 for another team. That doesn't matter, we needed him more than he needed us. We signed Rondo and you stopped hearing Boogie this, Karl that, everyone is doing a happy dance. So now the narrative is that we overpaid. Big whoop. It's a one year contract. Oh hey, we should have locked him up for 5 years at half the price. Nice narrative. It's BS.

No team wanted him, I challenge you to name one...I'll wait...

He just had his contract year and he blew it so spectacularly his team didn't pay him his playoff share, the last few years he is a washed up version of what he was and a team cancer- to say that we (a team that already has a better PG on a bargain deal) needed him more than he needed us is wrong... management's job is to manage, and part of it is to negotiate contracts- we underpaid Casspi, could he have gone to another team? probably, but we knew he wanted to come back and made a deal accordingly.

You can't justify any deal by saying "well, that's what it took"...

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Also, just consider, even if every player we signed this season including WCS plays the entire season coming off the bench with spot starts due to injury, we will have improved immeasurably from where we were last season. So the notion that we could possibly do any worse than our record last year is a foreign concept to me and should be to these writers. Last year we pretty much had a worst case scenario due to coaching turmoil, injuries and DMC's illness.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

No team wanted him, I challenge you to name one...I'll wait...

All we know is that no team wanted him more than we did, we don't know who would have swooped in if we botched the deal. We could not afford to botch the deal. That's the point.

 

[itzcoatl]

No team wanted him, I challenge you to name one...I'll wait...

He just had his contract year and he blew it so spectacularly his team didn't pay him his playoff share, the last few years he is a washed up version of what he was and a team cancer- to say that we (a team that already has a better PG on a bargain deal) needed him more than he needed us is wrong... management's job is to manage, and part of it is to negotiate contracts- we underpaid Casspi, could he have gone to another team? probably, but we knew he wanted to come back and made a deal accordingly.

You can't justify any deal by saying "well, that's what it took"...

I don't agree with this line of thinking. Rondo is playing for his next contract, and if he has a good year there will be suitors. So, is he more likely to stay with us if we low ball him now and take advantage of him, or is he more likely to stay if we treat him with the respect that he had earned during his career. We're not exactly sending good signals to him if we want to resign him. We are dealing with people, not things.

 

[The Hammer]

No team wanted him, I challenge you to name one...I'll wait...

He just had his contract year and he blew it so spectacularly his team didn't pay him his playoff share, the last few years he is a washed up version of what he was and a team cancer- to say that we (a team that already has a better PG on a bargain deal) needed him more than he needed us is wrong... management's job is to manage, and part of it is to negotiate contracts- we underpaid Casspi, could he have gone to another team? probably, but we knew he wanted to come back and made a deal accordingly.

You can't justify any deal by saying "well, that's what it took"...

So you are saying that you wouldn't have signed him at 9.5... you'd let him walk. Or are you saying that you would have been able to negotiate him down to 5-7 mil? Or, is it that you are saying that if you were Vlade's boss, you would not have accepted him signing Rondo at 9.5... but told him "No, not good enough. Do better Vlade. Go back and get it lower."

Is any of the above correct?

 

[Amit149]

I don't agree with this line of thinking. Rondo is playing for his next contract, and if he has a good year there will be suitors. So, is he more likely to stay with us if we low ball him now and take advantage of him, or is he more likely to stay if we treat him with the respect that he had earned during his career. We're not exactly sending good signals to him if we want to resign him. We are dealing with people, not things.

So you are saying that you wouldn't have signed him at 9.5... you'd let him walk. Or are you saying that you would have been able to negotiate him down to 5-7 mil? Or, is it that you are saying that if you were Vlade's boss, you would have not accepted him signing Rondo at 9.5... but told him "No, not good enough. Do better Vlade."

Is any of the above correct?

I'm saying that you probably haven't read my post that you haven't qouted... you know what would have probably help us keep him? a longer contract with team option- what good is it to buy low when you'll need to either pay an high price for him if he succeed or just let him get away???

And The Hammer- for someone who recently said to someone you don't know how he can go to the store to buy milk because he is afraid of risk this is really surprising to me, so are we supposed to be cool with what the other side wants?

For the people raving about us being a winning team with a winning culture, this is a loser's approach... we can't just agree to every demand of a player even if we hold the leverage because "we need him more", especially when that's not even true.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I'm saying that you probably haven't read my post that you haven't qouted... you know what would have probably help us keep him? a longer contract with team option- what good is it to buy low when you'll need to either pay an high price for him if he succeed or just let him get away???

And The Hammer- for someone who recently said to someone you don't know how he can go to the store to buy milk because he is afraid of risk this is really surprising to me, so are we supposed to be cool with what the other side wants?

For the people raving about us being a winning team with a winning culture, this is a loser's approach... we can't just agree to every demand of a player even if we hold the leverage because "we need him more", especially when that's not even true.

Rondo was not coming to a team on a multi year deal. He knows exactly what he is doing, he got sent to the worst possible team with the worst possible coach for him last season and it killed his FA value. If Rondo is 80% of the player he was 2 seasons ago we're getting him at a bargain. And if he isn't then THANK GOD we only signed him for one year.

 

[VF21]

I'm saying that you probably haven't read my post that you haven't qouted... you know what would have probably help us keep him? a longer contract with team option- what good is it to buy low when you'll need to either pay an high price for him if he succeed or just let him get away???

And The Hammer- for someone who recently said to someone you don't know how he can go to the store to buy milk because he is afraid of risk this is really surprising to me, so are we supposed to be cool with what the other side wants?

For the people raving about us being a winning team with a winning culture, this is a loser's approach... we can't just agree to every demand of a player even if we hold the leverage because "we need him more", especially when that's not even true.

So you're the only one who's right and everyone else is wrong?

A lot of us are happy with what Vlade has been able to do this season because we've been Kings fans for a very long time and we know the difference between simply moving the deck chairs and actually taking some risks to make the team better.

 

[Amit149]

Rondo was not coming to a team on a multi year deal. He knows exactly what he is doing, he got sent to the worst possible team with the worst possible coach for him last season and it killed his FA value. If Rondo is 80% of the player he was 2 seasons ago we're getting him at a bargain. And if he isn't then THANK GOD we only signed him for one year.

You get the Irony in putting these sentences so close to each other? his FA value was killed, hence you could have pushed his hand a little more...

And a longer contract with a team option means we can get out after a year if we don't like it... that's kinda the point.

So you're the only one who's right and everyone else is wrong?

A lot of us are happy with what Vlade has been able to do this season because we've been Kings fans for a very long time and we know the difference between simply moving the deck chairs and actually taking some risks to make the team better.

Really? I'm the one pretending to be the only one whose right? read my post, than read the other posts and tell me who is saying that he is right and everybody else is wrong.

I end almost all my posts saying that you can disagree with my opinion but calling it miss-informed is wrong, while people around here are calling articles and other people views things ranging from dumb to deluded and I'm the one that claims to be the know-it-all?

 

[The Hammer]

I'm saying that you probably haven't read my post that you haven't qouted... you know what would have probably help us keep him? a longer contract with team option- what good is it to buy low when you'll need to either pay an high price for him if he succeed or just let him get away???

And The Hammer- for someone who recently said to someone you don't know how he can go to the store to buy milk because he is afraid of risk this is really surprising to me, so are we supposed to be cool with what the other side wants?

For the people raving about us being a winning team with a winning culture, this is a loser's approach... we can't just agree to every demand of a player even if we hold the leverage because "we need him more", especially when that's not even true.

Ok, so you are saying that you, Amit149, would have signed, or (as Vlade's boss) would have demanded Vlade sign Rondo to a multi year deal, with team options after what, first, second, and third years, at less than 9.5 mil a year, heading into the biggest salary boom in league history, where, if he plays well this next year, will be able to get in the 12-15 million range. Because that is what it sounds like you are saying. And if it is not what you are saying, try to avoid a poorly veiled ad hominem attack towards me by saying "clearly you haven't read my posts". I'm actually trying to find out what you are saying, by asking you. Perhaps that's a mistake though.

You so nonchalantly criticize the most minute details, while completely ignoring market dynamics, and also interpersonal dynamics (which PDX has addressed). We have one of Rondo's best friend's on the team. We are not a desired free agent destination, yet with Rondo's presence, we were able to nab Belinelli and Koufos on reasonable deals (and Casspi). If Rondo's issues are mostly attitude/relationship with coach/FO... feeling taken advantage of and disrespected are going to do precisely the opposite of wanting him to stay here, and will contribute to him using us as a jumping off point to a larger payday. But you know what? I doubt he wants to do that. And paying him a respectable salary (not haggling down to the absolute minimum we could get away paying him) is more than just dollars, it's a signal that we want him too... long term.

 

[Kingsgurl]

From the Grantland article The Hammer quoted earlier

Sacramento Kings: Everyone is busy applauding Sacramento for not barfing all over itself with its weekend signings,

I want to see the articles where everyone is applauding us, dammit, even if it is just 'for not barfing all over ourselves'. All I have seen is big piles of steaming crap mocking us.
Actually, no, maybe I don't. This kind of national disdain and dismissal may just be even more motivation for our merry band of misfits. In any case, it lessens the pressure and sets us up to be the surprise team of the year. It won't be boring, that is for sure.
Every year, we get excited for Kings basketball, but THIS year there is a special spark (granted, that spark could end up flaming out in an unprecedented blaze of glory as everything blows up, but at least these moves have prevented me from blowing everything up myself if we took the loser road and traded DeMarcus and went into eternal rebuilding mode. Nobody has bail money for that)

 

[VF21]

You get the Irony in putting these sentences so close to each other? his FA value was killed, hence you could have pushed his hand a little more...

And a longer contract with a team option means we can get out after a year if we don't like it... that's kinda the point.



Really? I'm the one pretending to be the only one whose right? read my post, than read the other posts and tell me who is saying that he is right and everybody else is wrong.

I end almost all my posts saying that you can disagree with my opinion but calling it miss-informed is wrong, while people around here are calling articles and other people views things ranging from dumb to deluded and I'm the one that claims to be the know-it-all?

I read ALL the posts. I'm not going to continue to argue with you, because you will not change your view and I will certainly not change mine.

You say you end almost all your posts with a disclaimer, but then get upset when people do actually disagree with what you're saying.

I have watched this team through highs and lows for 30 years. What Vlade did this year was nothing short of miraculous, especially considering the leaguewide disdain for our front office, our team, our city, etc. If it actually works (which I truly believe it will), all those national media naysayers are going to change their tune, much as they've done before over the years.

Feel free to continue your argument, but I'm stepping out.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

You get the Irony in putting these sentences so close to each other? his FA value was killed, hence you could have pushed his hand a little more...

And a longer contract with a team option means we can get out after a year if we don't like it... that's kinda the point.

Just because his FA value was killed it doesn't mean he's a cheap get. If you look at the $$ being handed out Rondo should be getting $20million for a one season deal. Hell we were willing to pay a guy with an achilles injury that may never be the same 50% more and lock him up long term. He has been linked to Sacramento for several years now but he had up until landing in Dallas insisted he would never play here. It took the perfect storm to get him here. The nice thing is that often times the talk around the league that Sacramento is the worst place to come gets negated by players that actually play there. From Mitch, to Webber to Boogie to WCS draft day interview many players who were told/expected Sac to be awful genuinely become enthusiastic about their time with the Kings. No reason to expect it can't play out the same with Rondo. Especially if he's playing with his friends.

As for team options, Rondo wasn't going to do that, no player in the league is giving team options for next year which is going to be a bonanza. But certainly not Rondo, who got screwed out of his opportunity this year by Rick Carlisle.

 

[Amit149]

Ok, so you are saying that you, Amit149, would have signed, or (as Vlade's boss) would have demanded Vlade sign Rondo to a multi year deal, less than 9.5 mil a year, heading into the biggest salary boom in league history, where, if he plays well this next year, will be able to get in the 12-15 million range....

You so nonchalantly criticize the most minute details, while completely ignoring market dynamics, and also interpersonal dynamics (which PDX has addressed). We have one of Rondo's best friend's on the team. We are not a desired free agent destination, yet with Rondo's presence, we were able to nab Belinelli and Koufos on reasonable deals. If Rondo's issues are mostly attitude... feeling taken advantage of and disrespected are going to do precisely the opposite of wanting him to stay here, and will contribute to him using us as a jumping off point to a larger payday. But you know what? I doubt he wants to do that. And paying him a respectable salary (not haggling down to the absolute minimum we could get away paying him) is more than just dollars, it's a signal that we want him too... long term.

I'm going to reply for this, but I inform you up front that I'm not going to continue with this further because apparently it's pretty useless.

"You so nonchalantly criticize the most minute details"- not minute details, and not nonchalantly.

"while completely ignoring market dynamics"- that's right I'm the one suggesting Rondo had a zillion teams waiting for him.

"and also interpersonal dynamics (which PDX has addressed)."- signing a longer deal is a better way to secure someone's stay than being nice to him in contract negotiations.

"We are not a desired free agent destination"- exactly why you should've locked him up to a longer contract with a team option.

"yet with Rondo's presence, we were able to nab Belinelli"- speaking of minute details, Belinelli was signed before Rondo... and I'm not sure players are thrilled to play with Rondo- just ask his old Dallas crew.

"If Rondo's issues are mostly attitude... feeling taken advantage of and disrespected are going to do precisely the opposite of wanting him to stay here, and will contribute to him using us as a jumping off point to a larger payday"- I'm convinced, we should pay this dude the max!

"is more than just dollars, it's a signal that we want him too... long term"- you know what's another signal you want someone long term? signing him long term... look we signed Casspi to little money last time- and we did it once again- and he wants to stay here, you talk about cap space so much and than you say it's not about the dollars.. I don't get it.

I read ALL the posts. I'm not going to continue to argue with you, because you will not change your view and I will certainly not change mine.

You say you end almost all your posts with a disclaimer, but then get upset when people do actually disagree with what you're saying.

I have watched this team through highs and lows for 30 years. What Vlade did this year was nothing short of miraculous, especially considering the leaguewide disdain for our front office, our team, our city, etc. If it actually works (which I truly believe it will), all those national media naysayers are going to change their tune, much as they've done before over the years.

Feel free to continue your argument, but I'm stepping out.

I don't get upset when people disagree with me, I'm actually not upset at all.

I get why some of you are so defensive, I just hate it when everyone seems to share one view and dismiss any others- that's exactly your complaint about the national media.

 

[VF21]

...As for team options, Rondo wasn't going to do that, no player in the league is giving team options for next year which is going to be a bonanza. But certainly not Rondo, who got screwed out of his opportunity this year by Rick Carlisle.

That part about Rick Carlisle cannot be stressed enough. Carlisle is not point guard friendly.He is, and has been, a control freak who has clashed with strong players in the past. His time in Detroit was marked by several such confrontations.

Rondo is, by most accounts, blessed with a very high BBIQ. He's a true floor general who, if left to do his job, can do it well. Carlisle could NOT accept that and it didn't really come as much of a surprise that the two simply did not work out together.

In short, I guess I'm saying that Rondo's year in Dallas was the exception. I have the firm belief that he'll do very well here as part of our "Black Sheep Squadron"...

GO KINGS!!

 

[kingsboi]

Who's to say Vlade didn't try to sign Rondo for 5-7 million a year? I mean Rondo didn't really have any leverage here let's be honest but it seems Rondo got what he wanted and in the process will use the Kings to boost his value for his next big pay day and probably last.

 

[VF21]

I get why some of you are so defensive, I just hate it when everyone seems to share one view and dismiss any others- that's exactly your complaint about the national media.

I guess passive-aggressive is just your style, right?

A lot of us have tried to explain why we feel the way we do. Instead of acknowledging any of our comments, you make circular arguments that go nowhere. Case in point: The idea that the Kings could have gotten a team option with Rondo.

We aren't defensive. We're experienced Kings fans who have been around long enough to know the difference between moving the deck chairs around and making substantive changes. We aren't simply dismissing your view; we are trying to point out why you're out of line.

 

[peacelate]

You act like these contract negotiations occur in a vacuum. You don't think Rondo would feel slighted if the Kings attempted to make a low ball offer? What about his agent? These things make affect future negotiations with players and their agents. Who's to say Rondo didn't command a 1 year 14M contract and Vlade hammered it down to a more reasonable range?

No way is Rondo going to sign a team option. There is simply no incentive when he can get more money next year when the salary cap explodes.

 

[VF21]

Who's to say Vlade didn't try to sign Rondo for 5-7 million a year? I mean Rondo didn't really have any leverage here let's be honest but it seems Rondo got what he wanted and in the process will use the Kings to boost his value for his next big pay day and probably last.

And, in exchange, we get a championship-experienced point guard who should bring out more of what Boogie is capable of. If we're lucky and he likes it here, and nobody kills anybody else, we're back in the hunt.

 

[kingsboi]

And, in exchange, we get a championship-experienced point guard who should bring out more of what Boogie is capable of. If we're lucky and he likes it here, and nobody kills anybody else, we're back in the hunt.

let's hope in our case the IF will turn into reality

 

[peacelate]

No team wanted him, I challenge you to name one...I'll wait...

He just had his contract year and he blew it so spectacularly his team didn't pay him his playoff share, the last few years he is a washed up version of what he was and a team cancer- to say that we (a team that already has a better PG on a bargain deal) needed him more than he needed us is wrong... management's job is to manage, and part of it is to negotiate contracts- we underpaid Casspi, could he have gone to another team? probably, but we knew he wanted to come back and made a deal accordingly.

You can't justify any deal by saying "well, that's what it took"...

Ramona ShelburneVerified account ‏@ramonashelburne
A call is just a call... but heard the Lakers did call Rajon Rondo today to touch base.

By the way she works for ESPN/national media so you know its 100% true.

 

[funkykingston]

That part about Rick Carlisle cannot be stressed enough. Carlisle is not point guard friendly.He is, and has been, a control freak who has clashed with strong players in the past. His time in Detroit was marked by several such confrontations.

Rondo is, by most accounts, blessed with a very high BBIQ. He's a true floor general who, if left to do his job, can do it well. Carlisle could NOT accept that and it didn't really come as much of a surprise that the two simply did not work out together.

In short, I guess I'm saying that Rondo's year in Dallas was the exception. I have the firm belief that he'll do very well here as part of our "Black Sheep Squadron"...

GO KINGS!!

Both of the bolded points are true. Of course another factor is that Rondo is hot tempered and known to be an ***hole. How Karl integrates Rondo and what their relationship is like is going to be a huge key to getting production out of our new PG. But of course the biggest factor is whether Rondo is coming to compete and win games or just collect a check and keep his value just high enough to get another contract next season. I have concerns. But a few years out from his ACL injury and still just 29, there's no reason why we couldn't see him return to form if he wants it and Karl uses him properly.

As for his value, here's one way of looking at it.

Two PGs and their career averages. The first is Rajon Rondo who also has a higher PER, TS%, better offensive RTG, defensive RTG, Win Shares/48 and a much higher value over replacement player. And of course a ring and 94 playoff games of experience whereas the second PG has none.

That second PG is Ricky Rubio and he's slated to make $12.7M next season in the beginning of his four year extension.

 

[Amit149]

I guess passive-aggressive is just your style, right?

A lot of us have tried to explain why we feel the way we do. Instead of acknowledging any of our comments, you make circular arguments that go nowhere. Case in point: The idea that the Kings could have gotten a team option with Rondo.

We aren't defensive. We're experienced Kings fans who have been around long enough to know the difference between moving the deck chairs around and making substantive changes. We aren't simply dismissing your view; we are trying to point out why you're out of line.

Yes passive-aggressive is my style usually, and it can come out from time to time (maybe more often than I think).

I acknowledged most of your comments, and it's not a circular argument- it's an answer to a question asked, when someone asks you how could that deal would have been better and you answer it's not a circural argument, actually a circular argument can be used to describe the argument you make about who knows if we could have got Rondo or you'll never know if he tried...

You are defensive, you can say it's because you are experienced Kings fans with history with the media- but there is no other way to describe the media loathing here other than defensive.
And i get your argument about substansive change- I just don't agree with it.

Ramona ShelburneVerified account ‏@ramonashelburne
A call is just a call... but heard the Lakers did call Rajon Rondo today to touch base.

By the way she works for ESPN/national media so you know its 100% true.

I never said all media members are right... though I believe this report is right, and they touched base... I guess they could really used a PG after trading Clarckson and Russell for Boogie huh?

 

[origkds]

From the Grantland article The Hammer quoted earlier


I want to see the articles where everyone is applauding us, dammit, even if it is just 'for not barfing all over ourselves'. All I have seen is big piles of steaming poopoo mocking us.
Actually, no, maybe I don't. This kind of national disdain and dismissal may just be even more motivation for our merry band of misfits. In any case, it lessens the pressure and sets us up to be the surprise team of the year. It won't be boring, that is for sure.
Every year, we get excited for Kings basketball, but THIS year there is a special spark (granted, that spark could end up flaming out in an unprecedented blaze of glory as everything blows up, but at least these moves have prevented me from blowing everything up myself if we took the loser road and traded DeMarcus and went into eternal rebuilding mode. Nobody has bail money for that)

My undying optimism for the Kings to improve every year has certainly clouded my objectivity regarding our true potential. That said, this year really does seem different. All of these "professional" sports writers are typically more wrong than right with their opinions but they're all saying the same thing. You would think there would be one contrarian among them that would take a low risk, high reward chance and say something like "you know the Kings have made some interesting moves this off season and may surprise a lot of people". If they're wrong who would ever remember or care, but if they're right they can brag about it all season. I think we've got a better than 50/50 chance of surprising a lot of people this year but not one writer has said anything remotely positive...am I blinded again? Somebody slap me.

 

[VF21]

Yes passive-aggressive is my style usually, and it can come out from time to time (maybe more often than I think).

I acknowledged most of your comments, and it's not a circular argument- it's an answer to a question asked, when someone asks you how could that deal would have been better and you answer it's not a circural argument, actually a circular argument can be used to describe the argument you make about who knows if we could have got Rondo or you'll never know if he tried...

You are defensive, you can say it's because you are experienced Kings fans with history with the media- but there is no other way to describe the media loathing here other than defensive.
And i get your argument about substansive change- I just don't agree with it.

Whatever. I'm done.

 

[VF21]

BACK to the topic at hand:

From SI EXTRA:

NBA re Agency: 5 Worst Contracts of 2015

And, of course, the Kings are mentioned.













Derrick Williams gets the nod with his new contract with the Knicks.

 

[peacelate]

Yes passive-aggressive is my style usually, and it can come out from time to time (maybe more often than I think).

I acknowledged most of your comments, and it's not a circular argument- it's an answer to a question asked, when someone asks you how could that deal would have been better and you answer it's not a circural argument, actually a circular argument can be used to describe the argument you make about who knows if we could have got Rondo or you'll never know if he tried...

You are defensive, you can say it's because you are experienced Kings fans with history with the media- but there is no other way to describe the media loathing here other than defensive.
And i get your argument about substansive change- I just don't agree with it.




I never said all media members are right... though I believe this report is right, and they touched base... I guess they could really used a PG after trading Clarckson and Russell for Boogie huh?

They wanted a PG whether or not they traded for Boogie, which is why the signed Lou Williams.

 

[pshn80]

I'm saying that you probably haven't read my post that you haven't qouted... you know what would have probably help us keep him? a longer contract with team option- what good is it to buy low when you'll need to either pay an high price for him if he succeed or just let him get away???

And The Hammer- for someone who recently said to someone you don't know how he can go to the store to buy milk because he is afraid of risk this is really surprising to me, so are we supposed to be cool with what the other side wants?

For the people raving about us being a winning team with a winning culture, this is a loser's approach... we can't just agree to every demand of a player even if we hold the leverage because "we need him more", especially when that's not even true.

May I respectfully disagree. IF there is any merit to your arguments they shrink in the shadow of the accomplished signing of someone we want and we want for just one year. We got what we wanted so I smile with satisfaction. Please join me.