Kings extend offer to Chuck Hayes - 4 yr $20 mil
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
What evidence do you have for Daly being on the decline? He had a little injury and a little Westphaling slowing him early, but he averaged 11.4pts 11.1rebs after the All Star break and finished up with season numbers largely in his normal range. 30 ain't dead. Know the world's teenagers have a hard time seeing that. Know I did at that age. But Daly's in decline much the way DWade is in decline or Amare or Chandler or Zbo or whoever is in decline. All guys who are 30 or will hit it within the year.
Daly's been a rock throughout his career healthwise, which of course ironically increases the mileage he's had on his legs. But he's never been a huge minute guy, doesn't have many long playoff runs tacked on, and hasn't shown much if any statistical falloff. You could worry about him in the 4th and 5th year of a new 5 year contract, but right now there just isn't any real evidence.
Minuteswise he's racked up 17,797 regular season/playoff minutes (did not add in preseason or All Star etc.) compare that to:
Nowitzki 41,360
LeBron 29,178
Wade 24,074
Dwight 22,635
Zbo 21,678
Daly 17,797
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matthew76
Bench
Once Dally's athleticism begins to decline, what will he rely on? Smart BBIQ? Doubt that. He'll still be a good man-on defender, but once he loses a step he won't be the shotblocker he is now. Besides, the whole timing's off. Once we are actually gunning for the playoffs he'll be in the latter part of his contract, and i don't think we'd sign to another contract after that.
PurpleHaze
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Charles "Chuck" Edward Hayes, Jr. (aka: "The Chuck Wagon") - PROS & CONS:
PROS:
Good defender for his size - plays bigger than his bulky 6'6" 238 lbs.
Good rebounder for his size
Decent shooter but D is main calling card
Brings toughness and durable
Brings solid veteran presence
Local product (Modesto)
Relatively cheap contract proposed w/ still plenty of room for more free agent signings
28 years old
CONS:
Poor FT shooter (hey, can we bring back Coachie at least to consult the Chuckster on that horrible hitch technique)
PROS:
Good defender for his size - plays bigger than his bulky 6'6" 238 lbs.
Good rebounder for his size
Decent shooter but D is main calling card
Brings toughness and durable
Brings solid veteran presence
Local product (Modesto)
Relatively cheap contract proposed w/ still plenty of room for more free agent signings
28 years old
CONS:
Poor FT shooter (hey, can we bring back Coachie at least to consult the Chuckster on that horrible hitch technique)
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
If we aren't gunning for the playoffs by next season at the very latest we won't be gunning for them at all because Tyreke, who will be in the final year of his deal, and Cousins who will have 1 more season will be out the door looking for greener pastures. We need to challenge this year and break through next year or we may not ever get a chance to breakthrough. Time is tighter than people think in the modern era.
jalfa
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If so, and if Hayes' signing should turn out to be a mistake, Kahn will be known for making the mistakes Petrie avoids. Drafting Rubio, passing on Cousins and, as I said possibly, signing Hayes.
NoBonus
Starter
I, for one, like this signing. Think of the MLE guys the Kings got even in the good 'ol days when they could potentially draw a top tier Free Agent! a hobbled Shareef; Mikki Moore? Keon Clark? I would take Chuck Hayes in his prime over those guys anyday.
1. Chuck Hayes seems like the kind of guy who will add to the teams toughness
2. help our younger bigs learn some rebounding and defensive fundamentals (I hope Whiteside is reading this)
3. Doesn't cost too much, IMHO
4. He does not seem like a bad chemistry/bad atitude type of guy (that is yet to be seen in Sac, though)
5. I do not see Chuck Hayes complaining about coming off the bench
A lot of you are saying we should have gone after Dalembert for twice the money... Last season, Dalembert was in a contract year and playing for his big deal; it is yet to be seen how he will play once he gets his big pay day. Also, Dalembert is not the future starting center or power forward for Sacramento... Cousins is. Why blow a ton of cash on a guy you are planning to have come off the bench and eventually have to unload when he complains about playing time?
Chuck Hayes makes sense to me and I am excited about having him on the roster and excited about still having a lot of cap room.
1. Chuck Hayes seems like the kind of guy who will add to the teams toughness
2. help our younger bigs learn some rebounding and defensive fundamentals (I hope Whiteside is reading this)
3. Doesn't cost too much, IMHO
4. He does not seem like a bad chemistry/bad atitude type of guy (that is yet to be seen in Sac, though)
5. I do not see Chuck Hayes complaining about coming off the bench
A lot of you are saying we should have gone after Dalembert for twice the money... Last season, Dalembert was in a contract year and playing for his big deal; it is yet to be seen how he will play once he gets his big pay day. Also, Dalembert is not the future starting center or power forward for Sacramento... Cousins is. Why blow a ton of cash on a guy you are planning to have come off the bench and eventually have to unload when he complains about playing time?
Chuck Hayes makes sense to me and I am excited about having him on the roster and excited about still having a lot of cap room.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
I think it more has to do with Gavin Maloof saying they were going to start at the top of the FA list and work their way down. That was his exact quote. And so far that doesn't appear to be the case. I am not particularly enamored with this FA class, but I was at least hoping they would have retained Dalembert or added a new shot blocking C, then add a guy like Hayes after dealing JT or Hickson.
kingsnation
All-Star
Research some of my other posts in this thread. My point was that we've already gotten one highly praised Houston player that was one of their "scrappy, tough" core that pushed LA to 7 games. Then Landry came and he sucked. He scored but he sucked. Don't be so excited based on what Hayes did in Houston because that was different coaches, different teammates and a different system.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Daly played very much as he has always played. Depsite his game to game inconsistency, over his career he is a rock.
These are his career per 36 stats:
01-02: 10.3pts 13.8reb 2.6blk
03-04: 10.7pts 10.3reb 3.1blk
04-05: 11.9pts 10.9reb 2.4blk
05-06: _9.9pts 11.1reb 3.3blk
06-07: 12.5pts 10.4reb 2.3blk
07-08: 11.4pts 11.2reb 2.5blk
08-09: _9.2pts 12.4reb 2.6blk
09-10: 11.3pts 13.3reb 2.6blk
10-11: 12.0pts 12.2reb 2.2blk
Combined with the fact that he very rarely misses games, Daly is a rock. You absolutely know what you are getting.
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Larry David
Starter
This is correct. They said they would bid for the top guys. The agent speak seems to indicate that didn't happen.
This from Sam for SI
• One final note on the Kings: Don't hold your breath for that spending spree I mentioned the other day. When the initial version of the tentatively agreed upon collective bargaining agreement had the new minimum payroll at 85 percent of the salary cap as opposed to the previous 75 percent, that meant the Kings would have to spend about $17 million to reach the salary floor. But according to a memo from union executive director Billy Hunter obtained by SI.com on Wednesday, the floor wound up being set at 80 percent for this season (and 85 next season and 90 percent thereafter), so the financial mark the Kings must hit is subsequently less.
What's more, the fact that each team's payroll isn't determined until the end of the season means the Kings could operate under the payroll floor during much the season as long as they add enough salary at some point to make up the difference. If not, the amount in which they come up short must be evenly distributed to the team's current players.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20....agency.trade.market/index.html#ixzz1fy15fuD9
What's more, the fact that each team's payroll isn't determined until the end of the season means the Kings could operate under the payroll floor during much the season as long as they add enough salary at some point to make up the difference. If not, the amount in which they come up short must be evenly distributed to the team's current players.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20....agency.trade.market/index.html#ixzz1fy15fuD9
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
This would apply to owners who don't want to spend, and don't want to win. We'll find out. It'll be pretty obvious in a couple weeks whether or not the Maloofs are investing to put a winner out there, or spending just enough to get over the floor, meaning the on court product is not that important to them, they have lied to all of us, and aren't serious about investing in a winner.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Starting at the top of the FA list and working down doesn't mean that they would necessarily sign the big $ FAs first, then the smaller $ FAs. It just means that they would be contacting all the FAs, even the big names, to see if it was doable for them to play for the Kings. This signing doesn't contradict what they said. Hey, if Chuck Hayes is the best FA they sign, I'll be on board with every other basher. But it's way too early for that.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
I understand that and my point was, how many of the top tier FA's have you seen the Kings linked to? I saw one article that briefly mentioned Chandler, but that was it. Gavin wasn't acting as though they were just contacting guys; he made it sound like they were going to sign the top FA's out there. I am absolutely fine with them not overpaying for this mediocre FA class, I just don't like feeling as though someone is blowing smoke up my *ss. With that said, I really like the Hayes signing. Would rather have tried to retain Dalembert, but Hayes is a great additions. And yes, I know FA hasn't even technically started, so I will just sit back and wait
Section 101
All-Star
The thought there were going to be in Anaheim when they made those statements about spending money. They dont have money in the bank to spend. Look for them to be under the cap till the trade deadline. They may pick up a few waived players then spend money on someone playing in the chinese league to meet the min payroll.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
The Maloofs, lie? Never!
Hallama
Starter
Maybe Adleman is offering more PT? No reason to up the offer, he takes it or leaves it.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
More likely that its time for Kahn to go on his yearly single-position spending spree. He already added Brad Miller, has Darko, Pekovich, and Love at the bigs. He obviously needs a good three or four more big guys to fill out the ridiculous roster proportions clause in his contract. Adding Hayes helps. Wouldn't be surprised to see Hawes wind up there either since Kahn seems obsessed with building the T-Wolves into a frankenstein glory day Kings team
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
A lot is changing very fast.
Wolves have matched our offer to Hayes, and my gut tells me if the money is the same he'll go to Minni with Adleman.
Houston working on bringing in Gasol, Heat get Battier, Knicks get Chandler, GSW working on Jordan ..
Could open us up as the last team in play for Dalembert.
Wolves have matched our offer to Hayes, and my gut tells me if the money is the same he'll go to Minni with Adleman.
Houston working on bringing in Gasol, Heat get Battier, Knicks get Chandler, GSW working on Jordan ..
Could open us up as the last team in play for Dalembert.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Pretty sure I heard them in an interview, after being granted the 1 yr arena extension, that they'd spend, and spend big. So that would have been with them knowing they were here this year.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Hou also going after Nene. Wouldn't it be funny, if every team which can afford Daly except us, turns elsewhere, and Daly is forced to come back to us for anything above the mid level?
One can hope.....
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Unfortunately by my count there are more suitors in the market then there are bigs out there, so the real danger is that as the top guys start getting snatched up the remaiing teams start turnign to Dalembert and we lose control.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
Woj is also reporting that Houston, NOH, GSW, and Denver are working hard on Jordan. Same group of teams working on Nene.
I just hope while those teams are spending time with Nene and Jordan we can swoop in and nab Dally.
I just hope while those teams are spending time with Nene and Jordan we can swoop in and nab Dally.
Section 101
All-Star
Well ya. They wouldnt come out and say were not going to spend now because of the arena situation. The league office would be all over them. They had to continue to say they were going to spend.
gunks
Hall of Famer
Man...Tomorrow is gonna be nuts.
I'm lukewarm on the Hayes signing. On the one hand, he does have a rep as a good defender for his size...On the other hand, he's short. And we could do better.
Wish the Maloofs would just sell to Burkle. I want an owner who is willing to spend.
I'm lukewarm on the Hayes signing. On the one hand, he does have a rep as a good defender for his size...On the other hand, he's short. And we could do better.
Wish the Maloofs would just sell to Burkle. I want an owner who is willing to spend.
upinsmoke
All-Star
Thats what first came to my mind as well. I hope it works out for us in the end.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I've got mixed emotions over things so far. Its rumored that the Kings aren't willing to go more than 10 mil a year for Dalembert. And in some ways, I can't blame them. Most of these guys aren't worth what their being offered, when you compare their proposed salaries to the Wade's and Lebron's of the world. If you had 15 million to offer and you had to choose between Chandler and Lebron, who would you choose? I'm sorry, but Chandler isn't worth the same money as Lebron, and yet, thats what he's going to get paid. Why?
Because there are so few players out there like Chandler, Jordan and Dally. So here's the question. If your a young team, and you've been building through the draft and minor trades so far, do you get caught up in the spending frenzy simply because you have the money to spend, and the current lack of that type of player is pushing the price up.
Maybe the Oklahoma city Thunder should be our model. They're legitimate contenders right now, and yet they only have a payroll of 53.6 mil for the year. For the most part they've built through the draft. They got by with Nick Collison, an undersized Center for a few years. The big move they made was trading for Perkins. The jury is still out on that one, but if he's healthy, he should be a solid addition to an already good team.
So maybe the Kings should continue to look toward the draft to fill their holes, or, instead of signing freeagents, trade for what they need. Having said that, I realize that most Kings fans are hungry for a winner, and that building through the draft requires patience. I'm not sure that patience is a quality many Kings fans have right now.
Because there are so few players out there like Chandler, Jordan and Dally. So here's the question. If your a young team, and you've been building through the draft and minor trades so far, do you get caught up in the spending frenzy simply because you have the money to spend, and the current lack of that type of player is pushing the price up.
Maybe the Oklahoma city Thunder should be our model. They're legitimate contenders right now, and yet they only have a payroll of 53.6 mil for the year. For the most part they've built through the draft. They got by with Nick Collison, an undersized Center for a few years. The big move they made was trading for Perkins. The jury is still out on that one, but if he's healthy, he should be a solid addition to an already good team.
So maybe the Kings should continue to look toward the draft to fill their holes, or, instead of signing freeagents, trade for what they need. Having said that, I realize that most Kings fans are hungry for a winner, and that building through the draft requires patience. I'm not sure that patience is a quality many Kings fans have right now.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
As we never know what Petrie is doing until after it is done, another explanation for the lack of interest in Daly by the other teams is that they know he will sign with the Kings.
Just a change of pace comment to break the terrible depression I am sinking into.
Oh, and I agree that we have to win this year. There is no necessity to wait as we have the skill minus that big shot blocking center. This team is good as it is and will get better. If the Maloofs don't pull the trigger now (as they promised) ............................ never mind. And, to add to the obscenities I just didn't write, if they don't do what they promised which is to spend, the fans may get turned off and they will be on their way to Anaheim next year. Unless the league thinks they are tanking to force the move.
Something has to happen this year. You don't have to agree with me as to the consequences of a half baked effort at signing studs but I don't know what we are waiting for. Our young guys already function at a high level. Match them with a few well seasoned veterans and the time to move is now.
Just a change of pace comment to break the terrible depression I am sinking into.
Oh, and I agree that we have to win this year. There is no necessity to wait as we have the skill minus that big shot blocking center. This team is good as it is and will get better. If the Maloofs don't pull the trigger now (as they promised) ............................ never mind. And, to add to the obscenities I just didn't write, if they don't do what they promised which is to spend, the fans may get turned off and they will be on their way to Anaheim next year. Unless the league thinks they are tanking to force the move.
Something has to happen this year. You don't have to agree with me as to the consequences of a half baked effort at signing studs but I don't know what we are waiting for. Our young guys already function at a high level. Match them with a few well seasoned veterans and the time to move is now.
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