Kings extend offer to Chuck Hayes - 4 yr $20 mil

[Glenn]

Daly is Hatian. Dwight and Chandler are American?

That's undoubtedly what he meant.

Anyway, does anyone think we might simply throw Whiteside into a few games depending on who he is supposed to guard. Hassan is a better shot blocker than Daly or so I will guess. Until the NBA catches on to Hassan, he could be a major surprise. Certainly Hassan is not the better basketball player than Daly but there may be matchups that work to Hassan's favor.

BTW, I still don't think we are out of the running for Daly. His comments have been careful and he hasn't burned any bridges. Perhaps the renouncing solved the snag that needed to be done to sign Hayes and Thornton. I have long ago given up my status as king of the CBA but maybe bajaden can shed some light on this. I STILL think we need a real center but can see that we may be able to limp along with the big guys we have already. I just am saddened at losing the partnership that gave Pau and Bynum fits. Sigh!

Nobody will ever convince me it is a good thing to enter the season without a player similar to Daly - defensive minded and tall. Can JT play that role? Kind of, I suppose. As to JJ, I don't know as I know nothing about him except what I have read here.

 

[Henkel]

Is there any team that consistently gets less out of the mid level exception?

 

[Glenn]

I agree!

The bottom line is Hayes is with Cousins and you can call them what you want, you put Hayes on whoever needs to be slowed down or stopped. Hayes defense is off the charts, he's one of the best most versatile defenders in the league.

I hope you are right. I seldom pay much attention to what is happening in the rest of the NBA (shame on me, I suppose) but Cuz IS a center although perhaps he is the prototype of the new and freakish PF. Guys no taller than Hayes HAVE shown in the past to be good defenders but this is very rare. Given what we just paid for him, I doubt if he is the unusual big impact defender as everyone thinks. I will be very happy if my skepticism is proven wrong.

I'll scour YouTube and see what I find.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Is there any team that consistently gets less out of the mid level exception?

This is not a mid-level exception, though it is about the same size as the MLE.

 

[Glenn]

Is there any team that consistently gets less out of the mid level exception?

We have not used the MLE if that makes any difference. The salary happens to be similar to what a person would get if the MLE was used. Being well under the salary cap, we couldn't use it if we wished. No big deal. Just correcting.

 

[Bricklayer]

Eh, close. I'll give you a hint, starts with a T ends with an ALENT.

Silly.

There is very little appreciable difference between Daly and Chandler taletnwise. Daly in fact may have a little more talent. But a little less willingness to just play a role.

Career per 36:
Chandler: 10.8pts (.568FG .626FT) 11.5reb 1.0ast 0.7stl 1.8blk 2.0TO 4.1Fl 15.5PER
Dalembert: 11.2pts (.520Fg .696FT) 11.5reb 0.7ast 0.7stl 2.6blk 2.1To 4.3Fl 15.1PER

I even included the B.S. made up advanced stat just to forestall any attempts to claim there was some magic number out there not counted. There are substantially similar players. Dalembert has a little more one on one offensive game while Chandler knows his role and plays it to a tee and thus most of his shots are dunks.

I should also note that Samuel Dalembert is on pace to be one of the 30 greatest shotblockers in NBA history. Perhaps Top 25.

 

[kennadog]

This is not a mid-level exception, though it is about the same size as the MLE.

The Kings don't even have a mid-level exception, because we aren't over the salary cap, right?

Sorry, I think this has been explained already. Oops.

 

[ParniValjak]

I'm okay with this...what's next Geoff?!

Sign a cheap veteran to get to the minimum of the cap and put the cue in the rack!

 

[ParniValjak]

I agree!

The bottom line is Hayes is with Cousins and you can call them what you want, you put Hayes on whoever needs to be slowed down or stopped. Hayes defense is off the charts, he's one of the best most versatile defenders in the league.

Man defender?! Absolutely...very good at it.

Team defence? Don't think so.

 

[Tetsujin]

Man defender?! Absolutely...very good at it.

Team defence? Don't think so.

In order to have good team defense, you need to have teammates that play defense as well. His backcourt was Kevin Martin and Aaron Brooks.

 

[mac]

Silly.

There is very little appreciable difference between Daly and Chandler taletnwise. Daly in fact may have a little more talent. But a little less willingness to just play a role.

Career per 36:
Chandler: 10.8pts (.568FG .626FT) 11.5reb 1.0ast 0.7stl 1.8blk 2.0TO 4.1Fl 15.5PER
Dalembert: 11.2pts (.520Fg .696FT) 11.5reb 0.7ast 0.7stl 2.6blk 2.1To 4.3Fl 15.1PER

I even included the B.S. made up advanced stat just to forestall any attempts to claim there was some magic number out there not counted. There are substantially similar players. Dalembert has a little more one on one offensive game while Chandler knows his role and plays it to a tee and thus most of his shots are dunks.

I should also note that Samuel Dalembert is on pace to be one of the 30 greatest shotblockers in NBA history. Perhaps Top 25.

I hope this post was meant to be sarcastic, because if it isn't you totally missed his point.

 

[SacTownKid]

Silly.

There is very little appreciable difference between Daly and Chandler taletnwise. Daly in fact may have a little more talent. But a little less willingness to just play a role.

Career per 36:
Chandler: 10.8pts (.568FG .626FT) 11.5reb 1.0ast 0.7stl 1.8blk 2.0TO 4.1Fl 15.5PER
Dalembert: 11.2pts (.520Fg .696FT) 11.5reb 0.7ast 0.7stl 2.6blk 2.1To 4.3Fl 15.1PER

I even included the B.S. made up advanced stat just to forestall any attempts to claim there was some magic number out there not counted. There are substantially similar players. Dalembert has a little more one on one offensive game while Chandler knows his role and plays it to a tee and thus most of his shots are dunks.

I should also note that Samuel Dalembert is on pace to be one of the 30 greatest shotblockers in NBA history. Perhaps Top 25.

Numbers don't tell you everything, because things like setting good screens, playing the pick and roll, switching out on wing players, understanding the concept of spacing and catching the ball in the paint are pretty dang important and for the Kings in their current position trump overall production. It goes a little ways into explaining why Dalembert doesn't actually play 36 minutes per game.

 

[SacTownKid]

Man defender?! Absolutely...very good at it.

Team defence? Don't think so.

His ability to switch is super valuable and one of the issues Cousins and Daly had. Cousins was the one that switched onto the quicker players most times and he did pretty well. Could have been Daly's knee problems but he was a little mechanical in defensive transitions.

 

[Bricklayer]

Numbers don't tell you everything, because things like setting good screens, playing the pick and roll, switching out on wing players, understanding the concept of spacing and catching the ball in the paint are pretty dang important and for the Kings in their current position trump overall production. It goes a little ways into explaining why Dalembert doesn't actually play 36 minutes per game.

Yes, that's probably the explanation for why Chandler plays so many more minutes than Dalembert. Well except:

Career min/gm
Chandler: 27.6
Dalembert: 26.1

But its probably why Chandler STARTS so many more games, probably. Interestingly they have both played in exactly the same number of games over their career.

Career Games/Starts
Chandler: 662/465
Dalembert: 662/537


well..hmm...I'll have to think on it some more. But I'm sure that other than putting up nearly identical stats, playing nearly identical minutes, and starting a similar nubmer of games (more for Daly) I'm sure there really is this huge gulf there between these two players. Its there. I know it is.

Career earnings?
Chandler $79,670,000
Dalembert $68,826,000

 

[Showtime]

They are two different players. TC's defense focuses on position on the ground. Despite his size and athleticism, he's not that much of a shot blocker, and doesn't go after that many, whereas Dalembert goes after every block he can, often leading to goaltending calls, or leaving an opening for the man he left. TC would rather stay on the ground and go after boards if possible. I would say that TC has the edge in P&R defense, and is much, much more limited as far as offensive skill.

 

[SacTownKid]

Yes, that's probably the explanation for why Chandler plays so many more minutes than Dalembert. Well except:

Career min/gm
Chandler: 27.6
Dalembert: 26.1

But its probably why Chandler STARTS so many more games, probably. Interestingly they have both played in exactly the same number of games over their career.

Career Games/Starts
Chandler: 662/465
Dalembert: 662/537


well..hmm...I'll have to think on it some more. But I'm sure that other than putting up nearly identical stats, playing nearly identical minutes, and starting a similar nubmer of games (more for Daly) I'm sure there really is this huge gulf there between these two players. Its there. I know it is.

Career earnings?
Chandler $79,670,000
Dalembert $68,826,000

Your comparing career numbers, it was around '06 when Tyson moved to NO and became the "stud" people trumpeted for a few years. Guess how many minutes he played then?

06-07: 34.6 mpg
07-08: 35.2 mpg

Then he had the toe problems yet still averaged 32+ mpg the following year in 45 games. Dallas had crazy depth and the only players that averaged more than 30 mpg were Kidd, Terry, and Dirk. Noboby averaged more than 35 mpg.

Both have similar limitations no question, but Tyson appears to have grasped the simple concepts of basketballs nuances a little better than Daly and has taken his game a little further in it's development. It all comes back to the Kings and what they need, they need a role player that can set good screens, play pick and roll defense, and one that understands spacing more than they need a dominant rebounder.