Kings @ Clippers Game Thread
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Bricklayer
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GameBall said:
I have often questioned his passion for the game but...
KingsRNumba1
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i am surprised they won dam very inconsistent team
SacTownKid
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BMiller52 said:I agree 100% with you Doc. Reef and Peja IMO need to go, because Brad is really good and we need to get an athletic big man behind him BUT we also need that star.
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Kevin and Cisco have a lot of talent. I enjoyed watching them play A LOT. Mike looked like the old Mike again, it was great to watch. Brad isn't a bad rebounder, he's starting to get them boards again. He's not GOOD but he's not BAD either.
I don't know who needs to go or who needs to stay but I know one thing, the other combination of players is not good. Its like having 5 #1 options and not enough opprotunity to go around. Tonight there were clearly defined roles out there. The team also played with confidence and very care free.
One thing that has to change is the Reef/Brad combo. There needs to be a big guy out there willing to do the dirty work. Brad is a PF. He CAN'T be our last line of defense. He played a great game, but we still got worked in the paint.
Brad has talent, tonight we saw how he should be used, but he needs a dirty work guy next to him. And with Reef he defers far too often, rarely drives (which he is great at), and passes up open looks.
Of course I am not willing to give up Reefs post game yet. What happens when the shots aren't falling and you don't get the calls? We need some paint scoring. Oh yeah, I forgot about Bonzi. I guess he brings that huh? I don't know. I will be very confused if this unit keeps winning. Petrie will have his work cut out for him. Choices, choices.
SacTownKid said:
Yeah it is clear something has to change. But peja and reef aren't giving you anything now and the team is starting to get on a roll. He needs to trade them for talent and soon and guys that actually fit into what we need players to do. If he can get a superstar or just some more guys that do what we need and now this team can get on a roll. You gotta build on this win and win on this homestand and the playoffs are still not out of reach. We can still turn it around and we gotta use the guys that are available. Don't you agree?
GoGoGadget
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piksi said:
I realize that I am not the "you" in question.
However, I didn't even know that you had a point, much less that it had been made.
Please, enlighten me.
SacTownKid
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BMiller52 said:
Well just because somebody is hurt doesn't mean you trade them. Shareef is out for a month, but his contract is perfect and he'll give you low post scoring, so I am reluctant to just move him for the sake of moving him. Sure if we could trade Peja/Reef for a "superstar" or something Petrie feels could help put us in the right direction you do it. But the same could be said for any combo of players on a 11-17 team.
One good thing (yes its a good thing) about this is that we will have about 1 month to see what this unit can do.
I just hope we all are as happy today, 1 month from now!
DaMan
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I understand if u want to trade peja, but i not so sure u want to trade sar yet. Sar has been our most reliable scorer and post player the whole season so i am not so sure we trade him. And i am not going to say the team is on a roll yet, we just lost to the blazers, the blazers!!!!! yesterday, sam did go 1 for like 14 today, Maggete also was not playing and brad and bibby played one heck of a game,they need to keep that up. So i would not say this team was on a roll. But if the team continues to win i would be all for a trade that would include sar and peja for some role players because i think it is time to rebuild.BMiller52 said:
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SacTownKid
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DaMan said:
Yeah, nobody can say we are on a roll quite yet. If this team relaxes we are all right back to chicken little status. Lets just see what they do over the coming weeks. Tonight was 1 game.
GoGoGadget
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piksi said:
Ouch.
Would that I had a digital camera, I'd show you the scar.
piksi said:
If I knew what point you were actually trying to make I would say so. I suspect you're arguing with my assessment of Peja, which is interesting because it's MY assessment. If your assessment is different, more power to you.
I've said I don't recall off the top of my head any games where Peja was the main reason for a win. You kept referring to my PBP threads. As any long-time typist will tell you, if you're typing in excess of 100 words per minute, which I generally do, you do not have long-term retention of what you've typed.
This wasn't about you in the beginning. It was about Peja and whether or not I feel he's been a major contributor to the team this year. My overall impression is that he's pretty much forgettable.
DaMan said:
And what if the whole idea of having a "post player" at the 4 is one of the main reasons for the lack of cohesiveness? What if, instead of helping, trying to rely on SAR in the post is more of a liability than an asset? The team I saw tonight was fluid; it was cohesive; it was MOVING. All too many times, I see all of those things disappear when too much emphasis is made on post play. We can run an offense with a post option without having to totally rely on a POST PLAYER.
Something has been terribly wrong with our team this year. Tongiht might have been a fluke but what I saw with Brad and Bibby, Martin and Garcia (and KT thrown in to make 5 on the court) was recognizable as an effective TEAM working off each other's strengths and not deferring to anyone.
And, damn it. I liked it.
I really wish that we could do something like Peja+SAR+A pick+corliss for Jermaine O'neal. He'd be that star we need and Bibby and Brad and him are a perfect trio. Another player I'd like to go after is Pierce. Maybe TMac gets unhappy and houston wants to go young+cheap and get a good draft pick to pair with yao(him and lamarcus aldridge would be perfect). If so we could go after him? I don't know, I'm not going to turn this into a trade thread. What I will say is this answers some questions but opens up a lot more. I will say that Brad and SAR don't work and we all know who has been more successful and is the better player. We play better without peja. Those two guys could get us a lot of talent and if we can start to get on a roll than we need to.
DaMan
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VF21, that is pretty funny i agreed with u twice in one night. But anyway the team did play pretty well tonight and i think i know the reason why. In the starting line up we had players that played different kinds of basketball. We had bonzi and sar who were pass it down low and we do the rest of the work type of players. And then we have the core three that like the princeton off and ball movement. It just depends on what type basketball u what to go with. But i hurts when u don't have that post pressenes in the playoffs, that is why i think u don't trade sar.VF21 said:
SacKings384
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I don't care if we get Artest for Peja. As long as we get something for Peja... Im happy...
Okay thanks for the sig btw. I'm pretty sure Jermaine can hit the mid range J and go Pick and roll with Mike and he's a decent passer. Don't know though. He's athletic, rebounds, blocks shots, defends, so he's a perfect complement to brad. I think TMac might demand out if houston keeps sucking eggs. I'd like to go after paul(anyways, I really didn't want to turn this into a trade thread >_<).
SacKings384
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Lets not jump ahead of ourselves. The Kings looked fantastic, athletic, tought, and defensive. But lets see how they keep this up. Every dog has his day. It's keeping that going is what's key.
Bricklayer
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DaMan said:
Ahem -- Jermaine O'Neal is out because Indiana would laugh uproariously in our face, not because he is out for us. The system changes if Jermaine magically appeared. "The team" working better without a post player is a team of players inferior to O'Neal, hence O'Neal's game wins and the other players either adapt or move on. And the team did better for one night without a competing scorer in the post who does not do the little things, not better without a defensive anchor and true #1 option. If you can;t play alongside 22pts 10rebs 2.5blks you've got a problem.
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